#BelieveSurvivorsUnlessThePerpsAreDemocrats #TimesUpUnlessThePerpsAreDemocrats

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This story was just too important to ignore.....I want yall to know this story on yahoo has been taken down possibly twice since it was first released. My link to it first only took me to the home page. So the pressure on the MSM to not even talk about this story has been huge. Notice that YOU WILL NOT SEE ONE WORD of this on any of the Alphabets...NOT ONE WORD.

So the question: When it was Kavanaugh: We got a full congressional investigation and public hearings and salacious accusations from just about every Dem in DC. #BelieveSurvivors was prominent everywhere. Even the now #TimesUp is everywhere. But no one will even listen to the accuser now. It simply doesnt fit their narrative. Sexual allegations are dismissed without even a second thought when the perp is a Democrat. The TimesUp people have thrown every shred of integrity onto the bonfire. 

DJT: TALKS/BRAGS about grabbing women by their genitalia, the MSM goes nutz.
PUJB (Pervert Uncle Joe Biden): He actually grabs them by the genitalia AND PENETRATES THEM APPARENTLY, and all you hear is crickets. 

If you think this is going away, YOU ARE MISTAKEN. DJT is going to hammer Biden every day from August on about his multiple accusers on unwanted touching. The creepy videos at public events, and the horrified look on the females' faces will be seen daily for months & damage Biden badly. #PervyUncleJoe is going to be a very trendy hashtag soon and for months. And then there is Anita Hill, Hunter Biden & Troubling $$$, 1994 Crime Bill, The lying about being at Civil Rights Events, The Plagiarizing NK-JFK-Thesis Work, etc, etc, etc.  There was a logical reason I and many more thought (hell, knew) that the Human Gaffe Machine was not going to be a great candidate. Biden may still win, but then become so politically damaged that he serves his first term as a metaphorical lame duck. 
 

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Joe Biden Faces Sexual Assault Allegations From A Former Staffer

Former Vice President Joe Biden is facing a new sexual assault allegation, from a woman named Tara Reade, who says she has been trying to share her story since 1993 when it allegedly happened. Reade’s allegation comes in the midst of Biden’s surging presidential campaign and is consistent with other stories women have shared about their discomfort with the way Biden has touched them.

Reade was a staff assistant for Joe Biden in 1993, when she claims he digitally raped her. She told part of her story in 2019, when Lucy Flores wrote in The Cut about the inappropriate way Biden smelled her hair and kissed the top of her head. At the time, several other women came forward to say that Biden had touched them in ways that made them uncomfortable, including Reade, who said that Biden used to put his hands on her shoulders and run his fingers up and down her neck. Now, she has detailed what she says is the entirety of her experience with Biden on The Katie Halper Show.

According to Reade, Biden pressed her up against a wall and digitally penetrated her without her consent. “It happened all at once, and then… his hands were on me and underneath my clothes,” she says. She also remembers him asking “do you want to go somewhere else?” and then, when she had pulled away, “Come on, man, I heard you liked me.” Reade says that “everything shattered” in that moment and his claim that he thought she liked him made her feel like she had “done this” somehow. “I looked up to him, he was my father’s age. He was this champion of women’s rights in my eyes,” she says. “I wanted to be a senator; I didn’t want to sleep with one.”

Following her accusations against Biden, reports from Ryan Grim at The Intercept detailed all the ways Reade was stonewalled in telling her story — including from Time’s Up, the high-profile organization founded to help survivors tell their stories in the midst of the #MeToo movement, which is housed within the National Women’s Law Center. According to Grim’s reporting, Reade asked for help from the organization in January of this year, but she was told they could not help her because it would jeopardize their non-profit status due to the fact that he was a presidential candidate.

“As a nonprofit 501(c)(3) charitable organization, the National Women’s Law Center is restricted in how it can spend its funds, including restrictions that pertain to candidates running for election,” NWLC spokesperson, Maria Patrick, told The Intercept. It was also revealed in the same story that “the public relations firm that works on behalf of the Time’s Up Legal Defense Fund is SKDKnickerbocker, whose managing director, Anita Dunn, is the top adviser to Biden’s presidential campaign.”

Reade’s accusation has opened up discourse on social media about why the mainstream media is ignoring the story. “I don’t understand why the extremely serious sexual assault allegations against Joe Biden are not getting significant attention outside of left media,” tweeted Vox Senior Correspondent Zack Beauchamp.

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This is a story that @ReadeAlexandra has been trying to tell since it happened in 1993. It's a story about sexual assault, retaliation and silencing. #meToo https://soundcloud.com/katie-halper/joe-bidens-accuser-finally-tells-her-full-story …

 

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There were no witnesses to Reade’s assault, but she told The Intercept that she’d spoken to a close friend, as well as her brother, at the time of the alleged assault, and both have confirmed this with The Intercept. Reade said Thursday morning on Rising on Hill TV Live that she’s waited so long to speak publicly about what happened because she was afraid of retaliation, and also because back then she “didn’t have the framework” to understand what had happened to her.

 

 

 

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Why has the media ignored sexual assault allegations against Biden?

Why are sexual assault allegations against Biden being ignored?

Joe Biden, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, has been accused of sexual assault by a former staffer. Tara Reade, who worked with Biden when he was a Delaware senator, alleges he inappropriately touched her and penetrated her with his fingers without consent in 1993.

Rightwing news outlets have gleefully seized upon the accusations against Biden; the story has also been discussed by leftwing commentators. However, the mainstream media has largely ignored the allegations. Instead there have been headlines like The top 10 women Joe Biden might pick as VP (CNN) and Joe Biden’s inner circle: No longer a boy’s club (AP).

It is hugely frustrating to see conservatives, who couldn’t give a damn about the multiple sexual assault allegations against Donald Trump, weaponize the accusations against Biden. However, it’s also frustrating to see so many liberals turning a blind eye. The accusations against the former vice-president are serious; why aren’t they being taken seriously?

One obvious reason is that Reade’s accusations are very hard to prove. The incident happened a long time ago and there weren’t any witnesses. Reade also gave a slightly different version of events last year; she accused Biden of touching her neck and shoulders in a way that was inappropriate and uncomfortable, but did not say anything sexual took place. This inconsistency obviously doesn’t mean she’s lying; unfortunately, it is easy to use against her.

Reade’s story may be impossible to verify, but this is the case with the vast majority of sexual assault allegations. It is nearly always a case of “he said, she said” – and it is nearly always the “he’ that is automatically believed. The #MeToo mantra “Believe Women” doesn’t mean that women never lie; it means that our systems of power are biased towards believing men never lie. It means that it takes decades of allegations and scores of women coming forward for powerful men like Harvey Weinstein, Jeffrey Epstein and Bill Cosby to be brought to justice. All the mantra means is that you shouldn’t automatically disbelieve women.

You know who has talked publicly about the importance of taking women seriously? Biden. During the Brett Kavanaugh hearings, Biden stood up for Dr Christine Blasey Ford, noting: “For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you’ve got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she’s talking about is real.”

Does this presumption not apply when the guy being accused is a Democrat running for president? It would seem that way. In January, according to reporting from the Intercept, Reade asked for help from the Time’s Up Legal Defense Fund, which has supported accusers of high-profile people like Weinstein. Reade was reportedly told by the National Women’s Law Center, the organization within which the Time’s Up fund is housed, that it couldn’t assist with accusations against a presidential candidate because it would jeopardize their non-profit status. The Intercept further notes that “the public relations firm that works on behalf of the Time’s Up Legal Defense Fund is SKDKnickerbocker, whose managing director, Anita Dunn, is the top adviser to Biden’s presidential campaign”.

There are some people who will insist that drawing attention to the new allegations against Biden is playing into the Republicans’ hands. That it will destroy Biden’s campaign and guarantee us four more years of Trump. Not only is that argument hypocritical, it is also hugely unlikely that Reade’s accusations will do any damage whatsoever to Biden’s ambitions. Allegations of sexual assault certainly haven’t posed any hindrance to Trump. The allegations against Kavanaugh didn’t stop him from becoming a supreme court justice. The allegations against Louis CK didn’t kill his career in comedy. And the multiple women who have accused Biden of touching them inappropriately in the past haven’t exactly derailed his career.

 

 

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Just a sampling of articles put out from places no one would consider conservative.  The story is absolutely getting coverage.  It's being overshadowed by coronavirus right now.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/joe-biden-s-allegations-highlight-why-2020-will-be-hell-ncna991396

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2020/3/27/21195935/joe-biden-sexual-assault-allegation

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5e7e69c8c5b6256a7a2a88f2

https://www.thedailybeast.com/joe-biden-two-more-women-come-forward-with-uncomfortable-touching-allegations-nyt

 

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8 hours ago, Brad_ATX said:

Just a sampling of articles put out from places no one would consider conservative.  The story is absolutely getting coverage.  It's being overshadowed by coronavirus right now.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/joe-biden-s-allegations-highlight-why-2020-will-be-hell-ncna991396

Wow, this is from 04-05-2019. NBC must be psychic to know about it almost a year ago...

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2020/3/27/21195935/joe-biden-sexual-assault-allegation

Vox is not an alphabet

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5e7e69c8c5b6256a7a2a88f2

HuffPo is not an alphabet

https://www.thedailybeast.com/joe-biden-two-more-women-come-forward-with-uncomfortable-touching-allegations-nyt

TDB is not an alphabet

See the pattern? 

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15 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

See the pattern? 

The pattern is that these places were on Joe Biden sexual harassment stories long before anyone else was.  It was left wing media that initially brought them to light.

You guys also put wayyyy too much stock into CNN, MSNBC, or FOX.  The actual amount of people that consumes those outlets is minor compared to the totality of our country.

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I don’t care. I’m voting for Biden’s VP but it doesn’t matter. I live in Alabama. That’s how bad” democracy “is. 

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I mean, I'd like to take this thread seriously, but the title is literally hashtags. 

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1 hour ago, alexava said:

I don’t care. I’m voting for Biden’s VP but it doesn’t matter. I live in Alabama. That’s how bad” democracy “is. 

I agree and I may get involved in some plans to try and change that.

59 minutes ago, AUDub said:

I mean, I'd like to take this thread seriously, but the title is literally hashtags. 

Hashtags mocking the faux outrage machine. If Biden were a Republican, they would be demanding a full congressional investigation, IE Kavanaugh.

Well, I admit i was incensed at the complete lack of credible journalism on this. If we are really supposed to be on the feminist side, then we have to be ready to look at it like Justice is supposed to be...blind to the inconveniences of who gets investigated. So far, this one is just another example of Deafening Silence from some of us on the Left. I am still a hard core supporter of Bernie and i have to admit watching a corporate sleaze like Biden possibly win the nomination just so he can hand the WH over to DJT  for 4 more years is nauseating. Biden is a Gaffe Machine with a bunch of really bad stuff on his resume. The Sanders Faction is getting nothing from the DNC and looks like they are now talking about a Third Party, some have even floated the idea of trying to get in with the Populist Republicans. i follow several political discussions in the Bernie Camp and they are not going to follow Biden without a real Deal-Deal. They are seriously pissed when people bring up VBNMW.  They feel like they are being ignored and they dont give a crap. If DJT decided to throw them a bone in a deal of some kind, they would probably leave.

 

Back in my hole...

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34 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

Hashtags mocking the faux outrage machine. If Biden were a Republican, they would be demanding a full congressional investigation, IE Kavanaugh.

It's a serious allegation and I'll let the chips fall where they may, and this isn't really in the purview of Congress.

The responsible thing right now would be to wait for journalists to conduct their own due diligence of her story and determine whether her claims are worth reporting.  It seems a lot of them already have, or are at least well underway with that process.

But that's really not what some folks, mostly Bernie Bros in the online circles I run in, seem to want at all.  There is outright glee about "Biden" and "rape" being plastered all over the news and social media because they know the words "alleged" and "thus far unsubstantiated" will be drowned out in the outrage.  Even if a month from now Reade came out and said her accusation was made up from the beginning, such a media frenzy would have done its damage.

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Well, I admit i was incensed at the complete lack of credible journalism on this. If we are really supposed to be on the feminist side, then we have to be ready to look at it like Justice is supposed to be...blind to the inconveniences of who gets investigated. So far, this one is just another example of Deafening Silence from the some of us on the Left.

I mean, there's not really a whole lot here yet, and what little there is happens to be going over like a fart in the wind due to the ongoing pandemic.

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I am still a hard core supporter of Bernie and i have to admit watching a corporate sleaze like Biden possibly win the nomination just so he can hand the WH over to DJT  for 4 more years is nauseating. Biden is a Gaffe Machine with a bunch of really bad stuff on his resume.

Bernie proudly calls himself Socialist and his appeal is about as niche as it comes.

What a lot of Bernie's most vocal supporters fail to realize is that most people in America are doing fine. Yes, there's huge inequality. Yes, there're problems with the economy and wages and health care and everything else. But the vast majority of Americans are making it work, even if they're not exactly living lives of luxury. And when you're in a stable position, do you really want to risk it all on radical reform that the candidate himself isn't even really able to articulate how it's going to work, much less get implemented? Or would you rather vote for the familiar face whose promises are less revolutionary, but more reasonable and would still go a long way towards providing security for your family?

There's a reason why the most vocal contingent of Bernie's supporters are young. They have less to lose.

And you argue that nominating Biden is handing the election to Trump? There are two sides to that coin, and the Biden side is getting way more votes. 

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The Sanders Faction is getting nothing from the DNC and looks like they are now talking about a Third Party, some have even floated the idea of trying to get in with the Populist Republicans. i follow several political discussions in the Bernie Camp and they are not going to follow Biden without a real Deal-Deal. They are seriously pissed when people bring up VBNMW.  They feel like they are being ignored and they dont give a crap. If DJT decided to throw them a bone in a deal of some kind, they would probably leave.

I think the easy way out is to blame the establishment for everything. 

It's certainly a factor and can explain his problems appealing to certain groups. I find credible the argument that older voters get more of their news from centralized, mainstream sources that bias against Bernie or anti-Bernie bias doesn't cause everything though. He consistently gets less support from women across the board, and I don't think you can explain that away with media bias. 

Ditto for black voters, who he underperformed with across the board. It's not that his campaign doesn't appeal to minorities but he lacked black support across the board.

And Bernie would be a moron to break the pledge he signed and run third-party. 

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Bernie wont break the pledge, it will be his supporters leaving and forming a Third in the future...

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1 minute ago, DKW 86 said:

Bernie wont break the pledge, it will be his supporters leaving and forming a Third in the future...

Bah, well if they actually got off their collective butts and voted, that might be a big loss. Biden's coalition, on the other hand, is probably sufficient to win the general given the turnout he's getting in the primaries.

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9 hours ago, alexava said:

I don’t care. I’m voting for Biden’s VP but it doesn’t matter. I live in Alabama. That’s how bad” democracy “is. 

Says the conservative in New York and California. 

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2 hours ago, gr82be said:

Says the conservative in New York and California. 

Hey, if you want to go to a national popular vote, I'm game. That's a big structural advantage the Republicans would probably like to hang on to, though. 

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53 minutes ago, AUDub said:

Hey, if you want to go to a national popular vote, I'm game. That's a big structural advantage the Republicans would probably like to hang on to, though. 

Definitely. Many don't vote because of that fact on both sides. Just saying that the votes that don't technically matter are in every state. Hawaii is basically the elections Mr. Irrelevant. 

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On 3/29/2020 at 11:01 PM, AUDub said:

It's a serious allegation and I'll let the chips fall where they may, and this isn't really in the purview of Congress.

The responsible thing right now would be to wait for journalists to conduct their own due diligence of her story and determine whether her claims are worth reporting.  It seems a lot of them already have, or are at least well underway with that process.

But that's really not what some folks, mostly Bernie Bros in the online circles I run in, seem to want at all.  There is outright glee about "Biden" and "rape" being plastered all over the news and social media because they know the words "alleged" and "thus far unsubstantiated" will be drowned out in the outrage.  Even if a month from now Reade came out and said her accusation was made up from the beginning, such a media frenzy would have done its damage. #BelieveSurvivors 

I mean, there's not really a whole lot here yet, and what little there is happens to be going over like a fart in the wind due to the ongoing pandemic.

Bernie proudly calls himself Socialist and his appeal is about as niche as it comes.

What a lot of Bernie's most vocal supporters fail to realize is that most people in America are doing fine. Yes, there's huge inequality. Yes, there're problems with the economy and wages and health care and everything else. But the vast majority of Americans are making it work, even if they're not exactly living lives of luxury. And when you're in a stable position, do you really want to risk it all on radical reform that the candidate himself isn't even really able to articulate how it's going to work, much less get implemented? Or would you rather vote for the familiar face whose promises are less revolutionary, but more reasonable and would still go a long way towards providing security for your family?

There's a reason why the most vocal contingent of Bernie's supporters are young. They have less to lose.

And you argue that nominating Biden is handing the election to Trump? There are two sides to that coin, and the Biden side is getting way more votes. You mean Cuomo? Cuomo and HRC now have betting lines > Sanders on RCP.

I think the easy way out is to blame the establishment for everything. 

It's certainly a factor and can explain his problems appealing to certain groups. I find credible the argument that older voters get more of their news from centralized, mainstream sources that bias against Bernie or anti-Bernie bias doesn't cause everything though. He consistently gets less support from women across the board, and I don't think you can explain that away with media bias. 

Ditto for black voters, who he underperformed with across the board. It's not that his campaign doesn't appeal to minorities but he lacked black support across the board.

And Bernie would be a moron to break the pledge he signed and run third-party. 

That was the living definition of myopic. 

Where on earth do you get ANY idea that the MSM is doing any kind of investigation?
Links demanded. Show us active reporting from CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, etc. Show us anything? 
You arent going to find it. Chuck Todd just interviewed Biden and didnt ask one question about this. 

If you think the MSM are even looking, you need help.

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Why Are the Mainstream Media Ignoring Tara Reade's Sexual Assault Accusation Against Joe Biden?

So far, it's been silence from The New York Times, The Washington Post, CNN, and others.

ROBBY SOAVE | 3.30.2020 1:50 PM

 

 

On September 14, 2018, The New York Times reported the existence of an unverified sexual misconduct allegation against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh. The story cited three people who had read a letter sent by the accuser—Christine Blasey Ford—to Sen. Diane Feinstein (D–Calif.). Ford was not interviewed for the story; indeed, she wasn't named.

Unconfirmed reports of a teenaged Kavanaugh assaulting a teenaged Ford evidently merited coverage from The Times. This prompts an obvious question: Why is the paper of record now declining to publicize a very troubling allegation against former Vice President Joe Biden?

The Times is hardly alone in this regard. The mainstream media have remained bafflingly silent about Tara Reade, a former member of then-Senator Biden's staff who claims that he sexually assaulted her in 1993. Reade's name has only appeared twice in The Washington Post, and both were quick asides: A news roundup from April of last year briefly acknowledged an earlier, milder version of Reade's accusation, and a recent rapid-fire Q&A asked a Post political reporter to weigh-in on the political ramifications "of the Tara Reade bombshell." (The nature of the bombshell is not described.)

And while the coronavirus pandemic is obviously dominating news coverage, CNN has made plenty of time for Biden. Chris Cillizza is still ranking Biden's potential veep choices, and the network conducted a virtual townhall event with the candidate last Friday. Reade's name didn't come up, and it has never appeared at CNN.com. At NBC, it's the same story: Chuck Todd interviewed Biden but didn't ask about the allegation.

Reade's story has garnered some coverage elsewhere, most noticeably from The Hill and The Intercept. Some left-leaning news sites—The Huffington Post, Vox—have written about it, and of course conservative media are all over the story. But the biggest mainstream print and TV outlets are, at present, silent.

I am not the only one to notice this. The Columbia Journalism Review notes that "media outlets on both the left and the right have covered Reade's claim, yet mainstream news organizations have mostly avoided it." That article links to a piece in The Guardian—part of a recurring feature called "The Week in Patriarchy"—that suggests the media may be ignoring the story because Reade's accusations will be "difficult to prove." To its credit, the Guardian piece acknowledges that this would be inconsistent with how the Kavanaugh accusation was handled.

That's what's most frustrating about this lack of mainstream coverage. Ideally, all media outlets—mainstream or otherwise—would tread carefully with respect to decades-old accusations. They would not rush to publish unverified rumors, instead carefully vetting them to the best of their ability. They would consider whether every salacious or scandalous detail of an important person's past is worth revisiting.

Perhaps that's what reporters at The New York Times, The Washington Post, and other outlets are doing. (I have heard it third-hand that various stories might be in the works, but nobody at those publications would confirm anything to me.) But Reade has already come forward. She has already identified herself and told her story. At this stage in the process of the Kavanaugh accusation's public reveal, the mainstream press was already actively covering it.

As I wrote last week, there's a case for taking Reade's accusationmore seriously than Ford's, since the behavior described by Reade (penetrative sexual assault during Biden's Senate years) is even worse than what was described by Ford.

And while it's certainly true that there's currently a global pandemic unfolding, that isn't a good excuse to avoid discussing Reade. In fact, there's some reason to proceed quickly: The Democratic Party will soon nominate Joe Biden to be its presidential candidate, but Sen. Bernie Sanders (I–Vt.) is technically still in the race, and he is still making the case that he should be the one to face President Donald Trump in November. Whether or not Biden is credibly accused of sexual assault is extremely relevant to this rapidly approaching decision point. This seems only slightly less urgent than covering Kavanaugh's alleged misbehavior during the period immediately before his confirmation to the Supreme Court.

If the media's rule is this—We're going to proceed extremely cautiously when revisiting unverified sexual misconduct allegations that are several decades years old—then fine. But that's a new rule, isn't it?

https://reason.com/2020/03/30/joe-biden-tara-reade-sexual-assault-media/

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11 hours ago, DKW 86 said:

That was the living definition of myopic. 

Taking a wait and see approach is hardly myopic. 

Let them weigh the evidence. If there is anything there, you'll hear about it outside of the fever swamps of the Intercept, CurrentAffairs or the Young Turks and the like eventually. 

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Where on earth do you get ANY idea that the MSM is doing any kind of investigation?
Links demanded. Show us active reporting from CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, etc. Show us anything? 
You arent going to find it. Chuck Todd just interviewed Biden and didnt ask one question about this. 

If you think the MSM are even looking, you need help.

Here's a query for you: why do you think FOX, who will take anything and everything within the bounds of reason and wield it as a cudgel to thrash Biden, is also sitting in this?

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16 minutes ago, Auburnfan91 said:

https://reason.com/2020/03/30/joe-biden-tara-reade-sexual-assault-media/

Soave wants to use it as a cudgel to delegitimize the #metoo movement.

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43 minutes ago, AUDub said:

Soave wants to use it as a cudgel to delegitimize the #metoo movement.

So Reason only claims a 50K circulation. Their points valid, albeit only reaching a small crowd. 

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1 hour ago, AUDub said:

Taking a wait and see approach is hardly myopic. 

Tara Reade has been trying to get this heard for months, maybe years. What could be left to investigate by now?

I havent looked at Fox News about anything in years. I wouldnt care.

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16 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

Tara Reade has been trying to get this heard for months, maybe years. What could be left to investigate by now/

Not this version. This is the first time she's told anyone of an outright sexual assault. When it was being bounced around last year, it was characterized as being Joe's unfortunately not unusual and well known trouble with boundaries, and she said she took it to be non-sexual in nature.

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25 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

I havent looked at Fox News about anything in years. I wouldnt care.

Rest assured they are looking into it. They want this scoop every bit as much as the fever swamps of right wing media.

But they haven't reported on it heavily yet, for what's likely the same reasons the MSM has not. They're not yet ready to put their credibility on the line over it until they're satisfied their editorial standard is met.

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2 hours ago, AUDub said:

If there is anything there, you'll hear about it

Please don't read this as inflammatory or incendiary. I appreciate your POV even if I don't always agree and genuinely would like your opinion.

 

Just like the "grab them by the *****" comment didn't dissuade many Rs from voting for Trump, would this allegation dissuade any Ds from voting for Biden? I think there is a major difference, IF PROVEN FACTUAL, between the two. 

I'm not saying one way or the other, but If proven factual or even just credible, would that bother you or any of the staunch D's enough not to vote for him? Also, do you think the same scrutiny and outcry is being applied to this allegation as was towards Kavenaugh's allegation or Trump's comment? If not, why isn't it and why not? If not, should the discrepancy itself be an issue?

TIA

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3 minutes ago, bigbird said:

If proven factual or even just credible, would that bother you or any of the staunch D's enough not to vote for him? 

If proven and Biden was still the nominee, I'd then sit the election out.  I don't think he would be the nominee if proven though.

 

5 minutes ago, bigbird said:

Also, do you think the same scrutiny and outcry is being applied to this allegation as was towards Kavenaugh's allegation or Trump's comment? If not, why isn't it and why not? If not, should the discrepancy itself be an issue?

The scrutiny with regards to Kavanaugh and Trump are a bit different via circumstances.

For Kavanaugh, he was being confirmed in a political process.  Much of the outcry was driven by Dem lawmakers.  Note that Republican lawmakers really aren't saying much about this with regards to Biden.  There may be a reason.  Also worth noting that the people of the U.S. actually had no say in that one.  They will get their say with Biden, as they did with Trump.

I also think some of the potential outcry is diminished because of the timing.  We're in a global pandemic.  People are losing their jobs and loved ones.  Most don't give two craps about politics right now and that's what the reaction has been.

I do believe that the claims either have been or will be looked at.  As I posted earlier in the thread, it was left wing media giving the accuser attention over a year ago.  The story for the most part isn't new.

It also doesn't help the accusser's case in the eyes of many that she has made glowing remarks about Putin and Russia as recently as 2018.  I imagine that's part of the reason many right wing folks may be shying away from the story.

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6 hours ago, bigbird said:

Also, do you think the same scrutiny and outcry is being applied to this allegation as was towards Kavenaugh's allegation or Trump's comment? If not, why isn't it and why not? If not, should the discrepancy itself be an issue?

Trumps comment was public domain, nothing there to really contest.
BK, the allegations made against him were far less credible with far less detail. Hell Avenatti was slinging pure guano and, at least on the View, they were eating up with a spoon. 

I dont think for one minute that the guys here dont want a real stable, solid investigation. I believe that 100%. But when the shoe is on the other foot, the MSM pretty much throw decorum to the wind. The allegations against Kavanaugh were disturbing both ways. They were disturbing that someone looking for a federal judgeship career would ever allow themselves into that situation, (I am talking about the party boat, hookers, probably drugs, etc. I think there was enough smoke there to admit the fire). They were also disturbing that as with Avenatti, allegations from a person that had long term mental issues and absolutely no facts and just flat out looked and spoke like she had just trolled the local guano buffet actually got ANY real air time. The good Dr made for good TV, but at the end of the day, her memory was too vague and had to many holes to take down a candidate for SCOTUS.

And then we have Anita Hill, credible and with facts and details but with a highly suspicious back story. AH had followed CT across the country looking for more employment after the alleged harassment took place. None of these allegations will be great, driven by the pure wind, etc. People are people and people are biased and people remember facts differently. And men do often act like a**holes. We all know that. That is a given. The real question ends up being: "Did you act like an a**hole, on this day, with that woman, and can we prove it?" 

So forgive the some of us that just wonder where all the discretion was when it was someone with R by their name. 

Note: for me personally, there are always going to be shades of Chappaquiddick in everything I see the Wealthy-White-Elites get away with, especially the Wealthy-White-Male-DNC-Elites. I was alive when Chappaquiddick was a hot news story. My mother and sisters were all tore up about how a middle class suburban girl was just roadkill for a Wealthy-White-Male-DNC-Elite. #NoJusticeForMary_Jo. 

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5 hours ago, bigbird said:

Just like the "grab them by the *****" comment didn't dissuade many Rs from voting for Trump, would this allegation dissuade any Ds from voting for Biden? I think there is a major difference, IF PROVEN FACTUAL, between the two. 

I'm not saying one way or the other, but If proven factual or even just credible, would that bother you or any of the staunch D's enough not to vote for him?

I think it would. Biden will probably get thrashed, especially among women, if there is any truth to this.

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Also, do you think the same scrutiny and outcry is being applied to this allegation as was towards Kavenaugh's allegation or Trump's comment?

No, but it's early, so maybe it's simply a matter of "not yet."

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If not, why isn't it and why not?

I think the situations and/or the accusers are quite different.

With Trump, it could hardly be called a "he said/she said" situation because they literally have him on tape.

With Kavanaugh, the situation was more or less thrust upon the media, but she actually turned out to be pretty credible. Modestly political,  respectable career, a family and a lot to lose from coming forward. Not to mention the narrative she told was pretty consistent,  and she had receipts from having spoken to her therapist and the like years prior to Kavanaugh becoming a household name.

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If not, should the discrepancy itself be an issue?

Not unless more comes to light on Biden's accusation.