Virus Experts' Early Statements Belie 'Prescient' Portrayal

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A closer look at the public statements of those very same experts during the early weeks of the outbreak reveals that the administration’s initial reassurances were largely aligned with the assessments of the medical community.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/04/03/virus_experts_early_statements_belie_prescient_portrayal_142845.html

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Don't try to confuse these Trump haters with facts. It won't work.

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1 hour ago, jj3jordan said:

Don't try to confuse these Trump haters with facts. It won't work.

Just blowing air up their skirt. 

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The media is comparing Trump’s reaction to the Covid-19 to perfection with 20/20 hindsight.  This is what they are promoting and literarily fiddling while Rome burns.  Well done media.

An example:

 

[homersapien 11,357]

Never fear, there will be multitude of histories and analysis of this pandemic, starting now. It comes with the presidency.

I predict Trump will not fare well historically.  (Although he will be famous.)

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8 minutes ago, homersapien said:

Never fear, there will be multitude of histories and analysis of this pandemic, starting now. It comes with the presidency.

I predict Trump will not fare well historically.  (Although he will be famous.)

I love how Nancy and Adam state that just like 9-11 and Pearl Harbor they evaluated how that went *after it was over* and that they are planning to investigate this *while it is happening*.  Does that seem political to you?  Or do they think it will help defeat the virus to know what mistakes were made early on?  I would bet that this committee would have it’s work completed by, say, mid October.

How do you think, historically, the Democratic Party will fare during this time?  It could be the beginning of the end for the Party, but I fantasize.

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8 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

I love how Nancy and Adam state that just like 9-11 and Pearl Harbor they evaluated how that went *after it was over* and that they are planning to investigate this *while it is happening*.  Does that seem political to you?  No it seems like timely oversight to me.  How many trillions of dollars are in those relief packages?

Or do they think it will help defeat the virus to know what mistakes were made early on?  Yes, especially if we keep making them.

 

I would bet that this committee would have it’s work completed by, say, mid October. I'll take that bet.  Such a report will be nothing compared to the reality of this crisis, regardless of timing.  I predict Trump is toast anyway.

How do you think, historically, the Democratic Party will fare during this time?  It could be the beginning of the end for the Party, but I fantasize. Seriously? I don't understand the logic of that.

 

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5 minutes ago, homersapien said:

 

Thanks for your honest, but overly bias answers.

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35 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

Thanks for your honest, but overly bias answers.

"Biased" only to a MAGA maybe. 

I'm still interested in hearing your logic about how this is going to be the end of the Democratic party.

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Does that seem political to you?  No it seems like timely oversight to me.

When you are in the mist of a battle it does no good to try to analyze how you got there while trying to solve the problem. However, that’s only half of it, it really is detrimental to have someone undermine your plan while you’re implementing it.

I don't understand the logic of that.

I know it was fantasy, but I would have hoped the general public could see the ways the Democratic Party has tried to undermine the Presidency since day one.  What is much worse, they can’t even come together to fight this pandemic, which threatens our way of life, without trying to push their socialist agenda.  

The constant battle between Trump and the press is annoying, neither is capable of acting like an adult.

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Dr. Birx in a news conference yesterday?

DR. BIRX: One other comment because I know we’re always saying who knew what when. I just want to make clear. There’s 150-plus countries working on this collectively together. It’s devastating for every single country. When we get through this, we can go back and look at what happened where and what does this epidemic look like. Then when you get through it, then you can validate every model there is known to man. When you’re in the middle of it, you have to concentrate on serving the needs of each American and what that need looks like.

At the same time you have these other work streams on surveillance and how to be prepared both scientifically and therapeutically and vaccine wise for the next fall if it happens again. So I think these things are happening together, but I just want us to really concentrate on the fact that all around the globe, country after country is dealing with this.

We can talk about why didn’t Italy do something or Spain do something or Germany do something, or we can really say, right now we all can do something. We can do the social distancing and all of the pieces that we know is starting to work around the globe in country after country. Then when we get through all of this, we can ask the questions about could we have done some piece of this better as a global community. I will remind you that on February 3rd the head of the W.H.O. said there was no reason to ever do a travel ban. It wasn’t until January 14th that we knew that there was human-to-human transmission.

If you can’t agree with the bolded part, you must be practicing partisan politics. 

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1 hour ago, I_M4_AU said:

When you are in the mist of a battle it does no good to try to analyze how you got there while trying to solve the problem. However, that’s only half of it, it really is detrimental to have someone undermine your plan while you’re implementing it.

BS. 

If you don't even understand how you got into a bad situation how can you possibly understand the steps needed to get out? 

And what plan?  An effective plan for dealing with a pandemic like this starts as soon as you are made aware of it. 

"The Trump administration received its first formal notification of the outbreak of the coronavirus in China on Jan. 3. Within days, U.S. spy agencies were signaling the seriousness of the threat to Trump by including a warning about the coronavirus — the first of many — in the President’s Daily Brief.

And yet, it took 70 days from that initial notification for Trump to treat the coronavirus not as a distant threat or harmless flu strain well under control, but as a lethal force that had outflanked America’s defenses and was poised to kill tens of thousands of citizens. That more-than-two-month stretch now stands as critical time that was squandered."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2020/04/04/coronavirus-government-dysfunction/?arc404=true

 

Trump's "plan" changes as reality emerges, just as predicted.  Such analysis at least warns the country we have an incompetent, narcissistic leader. (Well, at least 60% of the country.) 

That's useful information to have as he continues with his inept attempts to "lead".

And now one of his primary focuses consists of spinning his response to look as if he's been effective all along or it would have been - or could be - worse if he weren't in charge:

Trump says keeping US Covid-19 deaths to 100,000 would be a ‘very good job’

President extends social distancing rules to 30 April, saying open for Easter plans were only ‘aspirational’

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/30/trump-says-keeping-us-covid-19-deaths-to-100000-would-be-a-very-good-job

But hey, he's getting better ratings than "The Bachelor"!

You are nothing but a Trump apologist.

We'd be better off to "25th Trump" and put Pence in charge.

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1 hour ago, homersapien said:

BS. 

If you don't even understand how you got into a bad situation how can you possibly understand the steps needed to get out? 

This whole statement is sooooo inaccurate.  I taught dynamic situations for 20+ years in my previous life and it’s not how you got into it, it the recovery that makes you the hero.

If you survive, then is the time for evaluation and to see how to prevent getting into another similar scenario. 

The rest of your BS is comparing Trump to perfection and nobody will fare well then.

1 hour ago, homersapien said:

You are nothing but a Trump apologist.

I’m not apologizing for him at all, but the time to judge is when we are out of the situation.  Not now.  The Democratic's are running out time if they want clueless Joe to have the advantage. 

 

1 hour ago, homersapien said:

We'd be better off to "25th Trump" and put Pence in charge.

Pence is in charge of the pandemic and no Dem has the intestinal fortitude to invoke the 25th. 

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......The Trump administration received its first formal notification of the outbreak of the coronavirus in China on Jan. 3. Within days, U.S. spy agencies were signaling the seriousness of the threat to Trump by including a warning about the coronavirus — the first of many — in the President’s Daily Brief.

And yet, it took 70 days from that initial notification for Trump to treat the coronavirus not as a distant threat or harmless flu strain well under control, but as a lethal force that had outflanked America’s defenses and was poised to kill tens of thousands of citizens. That more-than-two-month stretch now stands as critical time that was squandered.

Trump’s baseless assertions in those weeks, including his claim that it would all just “miraculously” go away, sowed significant public confusion and contradicted the urgent messages of public health experts.....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2020/04/04/coronavirus-government-dysfunction/?arc404=true

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18 hours ago, I_M4_AU said:

This whole statement is sooooo inaccurate.  I taught dynamic situations for 20+ years in my previous life and it’s not how you got into it, it the recovery that makes you the hero.

If you survive, then is the time for evaluation and to see how to prevent getting into another similar scenario. 

Providing an accurate history and analysis of Trump's negligence, statements and actions is not BS.  Only a Trump sycophant would think otherwise. You don't want to hold him accountable.

There is nothing wrong or inappropriate with examining Trump's performance since he became aware of the pandemic threat (more than 70 days ago).  That's already history and we know it.

We aren't all first line responders who cannot take the time to genuflect on how we got to where we are. But many - including me and you (otherwise we wouldn't be spending time on this forum) have plenty of extra time to do so.

This is especially relevant considering he is unfortunately still the nominal head of state and will be for most of, if not all of, the duration of this pandemic.  He will continue to have the responsibility of providing leadership as this pandemic continues, well past the upcoming election.

And obviously the standard is not "perfection". Suggesting that is what I am doing is nonsense.  The standard I am using is what a reasonable, competent adult - who cared more about the country than himself - might have done differently.  Trump has a history of acting like a child. Even a lot of his staff say so.

 

18 hours ago, I_M4_AU said:

I’m not apologizing for him at all, but the time to judge is when we are out of the situation.  Not now.  The Democratic's are running out time if they want clueless Joe to have the advantage. 

We won't be out of this situation before the until the inauguration in 2021, if then.  The election will be a referendum on Trump - who you and I both know is far more clueless than "Joe".

Regardless there will be plenty of time to make the case against Trump, starting now.

You are a Trump apologist who is simply trying to avoid the subject of his personal accountability and failure of leadership to date.  Why else would you object to examining the past until this is over?  Do you really think the history will change or just everyone will forget it? 
 

 

Pence is in charge of the pandemic and no Dem has the intestinal fortitude to invoke the 25th.

In case you may have missed it, Democrats had the intestinal fortitude to impeach Trump. 

Republicans bear full responsibility for the fact Trump is unfortunately still in office.  That's another fact that I hope has the appropriate influence on the election.   

 

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@homersapien maybe you will understand if I phrase it like this.  In general, it does no good to think about how you got into the situation when you are trying to dig you way out.  I’m not referencing Trump here at all.

An example would be the Miracle on the Hudson.  If you watched the movie “Sully” you know that Sullenberger took off from LaGuardia and hit some Canadian Geese about 2500’ on his departure.  I will go on record to say Sully didn’t give one thought about how to avoid the geese once he found himself with no thrust on either engine.  His actions where to recognize the situation he was in, (it took a little while) try to get some thrust back, (it took a little while as the Loss of All Thrust Checklist is meant for an aircraft losing it’s power at 30000+ altitude), and when those actions were insufficient, deciding his course of action and at that time there were only one, the Hudson.  What he had was a brand new FO that was fresh out of training that supported him in his actions to the best of his abilities.  There was not a divided Flight Deck.  Everybody worked together.

Once the emergency situation came to a satisfactory conclusion, the NTSB started the investigation.  The NTSB was not as harsh as they have been portrayed in that movie, but is fully capable of being harsh if the situation warranted.

What I am trying to say is that now is not the time to start an investigation as the emergency has not yet concluded.  It is time to get through the epidemic (at least stop the spread) and between then and the 2nd outbreak, look back and see what mitigation is necessary to get ahead of, what my be inevitable, the next outbreak and/or pandemic.

It would appear that Nancy and Adam want to give Trump a grade when the test isn’t even over yet.  Undermining what the CDC has laid out because Trump says goofy stuff is not helping, it can harm the effort.  We need a united effort.

Try to look past your feelings for Trump, I’m not giving him a pass, but I am willing to wait until this thing is under control.

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1 hour ago, I_M4_AU said:

@homersapien maybe you will understand if I phrase it like this.  In general, it does no good to think about how you got into the situation when you are trying to dig you way out.  I’m not referencing Trump here at all.

An example would be the Miracle on the Hudson.  If you watched the movie “Sully” you know that Sullenberger took off from LaGuardia and hit some Canadian Geese about 2500’ on his departure.  I will go on record to say Sully didn’t give one thought about how to avoid the geese once he found himself with no thrust on either engine.  His actions where to recognize the situation he was in, (it took a little while) try to get some thrust back, (it took a little while as the Loss of All Thrust Checklist is meant for an aircraft losing it’s power at 30000+ altitude), and when those actions were insufficient, deciding his course of action and at that time there were only one, the Hudson.  What he had was a brand new FO that was fresh out of training that supported him in his actions to the best of his abilities.  There was not a divided Flight Deck.  Everybody worked together.  This is a specious comparison.  We aren't talking about a single flight crew.  We are talking about an entire country of 330 million with every imaginable occupation and expertise, addressing a crisis measured in years instead of seconds.

Once the emergency situation came to a satisfactory conclusion, the NTSB started the investigation.  The NTSB was not as harsh as they have been portrayed in that movie, but is fully capable of being harsh if the situation warranted.

What I am trying to say is that now is not the time to start an investigation as the emergency has not yet concluded. Now is as good a time to start as any.  What happened, happened. And we have plenty of journalists able to do it. It actually has potential to help our ongoing effort.  It is time to get through the epidemic (at least stop the spread) and between then and the 2nd outbreak, look back and see what mitigation is necessary to get ahead of, what my be inevitable, the next outbreak and/or pandemic.  There is NO conflict between looking back to see what mistakes have been made and continuing the effort to fight the pandemic.  It's not like the same people are doing both.

It would appear that Nancy and Adam want to give Trump a grade when the test isn’t even over yet.  Undermining what the CDC has laid out because Trump says goofy stuff is not helping, it can harm the effort. No one - other than Trump himself - has done this.  That is a straw man argument. We need a united effort.

Try to look past your feelings for Trump, I’m not giving him a pass, but I am willing to wait until this thing is under control.

Sorry but that is a totally specious comparison.

You cannot compare an immediate emergency which threatens to crash an airplane to a crisis that started 4-5 months ago and the medical part alone may last another 8-10 months, while the economic impact will last much longer. 

Meanwhile the same POTUS who was in charge from the beginning will still be in-charge for at least the next 10 months.  It behooves us for that reason alone to examine how he handled it.  It may provide clues as to how he can at least be circumvented or sidelined to mitigate his continuing incompetence.  Perhaps at the very least it will persuade people not to trust his bad advice and example.  Perhaps it will prod more legislative action designed to provide an more effective response. 

Last - but not least - since we will have an election before this pandemic is over, it may serve to save the country from the disastrous mistake - however unlikely - of reelecting him.

Trump clearly places more priority on the political aspects of this pandemic than the practical.  Anyone who has observed his "press conferences" will see that.  Nevertheless there are still a large number of his myrmidons - perhaps 30 % of the voting population - who are determined to accept his self-serving spin as reality. 

We owe it to them as well as ourselves as a democratic country to ensure actual facts regarding the POTUS's performance are available before making a choice to reelect him.  A democracy founded on lies is fragile by definition.

Again, this is a long term crisis.  Much of the critical history - that is, our early response - is just that, history.  However the effort proceeds, it will have no bearing on what has already happened. What has already happened is knowable and we have plenty of time and people to conduct that analysis while simultaneously addressing the ongoing crisis.   

The analysis of this pandemic will continue for the rest of this century.  Just like WWII, there will be thousands of books written about it.  Trump's eventual legacy will be shaped by that historical analysis.  It won't be shaped by whatever current politicians are saying today.

Finally, I suggest that I am the one who is looking at this objectively, my feelings about Trump aside. 

I also suggest that it is your feelings for Trump that makes you think an analysis of his performance to date in this crisis is somehow unfair or counter-productive.

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2 hours ago, homersapien said:

Sorry but that is a totally specious comparison.

Once again you are way off.  I used the incident as an example, not as a comparison. The example is that you don’t evaluate a situation during the situation if you are earnest in finding solutions on how to get better.  Wouldn’t it be better to wait until all the facts are in, to investigate like the NTSB does?

You do evaluate your mitigation as you go along, which Trump has done, and change mitigation strategies along the way, but the situation is not contained.  How would it serve the nation to be divided at this time?  Is there somebody out there that would have a different strategy or is the investigation just to lay blame.  Do something constructive or get the h3ll out of the way.

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22 hours ago, I_M4_AU said:

Once again you are way off.  I used the incident as an example, not as a comparison. The example is that you don’t evaluate a situation during the situation if you are earnest in finding solutions on how to get better.  Wouldn’t it be better to wait until all the facts are in, to investigate like the NTSB does?

You do evaluate your mitigation as you go along, which Trump has done, and change mitigation strategies along the way, but the situation is not contained.  How would it serve the nation to be divided at this time?  Is there somebody out there that would have a different strategy or is the investigation just to lay blame.  Do something constructive or get the h3ll out of the way.

Such an example proffered in a debate is a comparison.

No, it would not be better to wait - like the NSTB does with an airline crash - (more comparison) to start analyzing or national response to the pandemic, for all the reasons I have stated previously.

Trump has not evaluated anything, hasn't mitigated anything, nor does he have a strategy.

Trump is the single greatest factor in dividing the country.  Almost daily he tries to pin responsibility on others in a clearly partisan way.  Divisiveness is his stock in trade. 

Yes, there are plenty of people who have more effective strategies and are urging Trump to adopt them. 

Removing Trump (getting him the hell out of the way) would be the most constructive thing we could do.

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2 hours ago, homersapien said:

An example is a comparison

Definition of comparison

 

1: the act or process of comparing: such as

a: the representing of one thing or person as similar to or like another His poetry invites comparison with the poems of Robert Frost.

b: an examination of two or more items to establish similarities and dissimilarities His faults seem minor by comparison.a comparison of the sports cars

2: identity of features : SIMILARITYseveral points of comparison between the two

3: the modification of an adjective or adverb to denote different levels of quality, quantity, or relation

 

Definition of example

 (Entry 1 of 2)

1: one that serves as a pattern to be imitated or not to be imitated a good example

2: a punishment inflicted on someone as a warning to othersalso : an individual so punished

3: one that is representative of all of a group or type

4: a parallel or closely similar case especially when serving as a precedent or model

5: an instance (such as a problem to be solved) serving to illustrate a rule or precept or to act as an exercise in the application of a rule

 

I don’t see it as the same.  I will agree that the NRSB was a comparison, but not the incident itself. If it were I would have taken each part and compared it to Trump’s response.  I’m sorry you interpreted my statement as a comparison.  I could go into it, but it would do no good as we would never agree. 

 

2 hours ago, homersapien said:

Trump has not evaluated anything, hasn't mitigated anything, nor does he have a strategy.

What would you call the travel ban, social distancing and ever other action he has taken to stop the spread of the virus?

 

2 hours ago, homersapien said:

Yes, there are plenty of people who have more effective strategies and are urging Trump to adopt them

You mean like Cuomo or Biden?  Heaven help us.  I think Trump is listening to his advisors.  Criticizing a leader is the easiest thing to do and you do it well.

 

2 hours ago, homersapien said:

Removing Trump (getting him the hell out of the way) would be the most constructive thing we could do.

There is a saying; Don’t change horses in the middle of a stream.

 

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On ‎4‎/‎4‎/‎2020 at 5:18 PM, homersapien said:

BS. 

If you don't even understand how you got into a bad situation how can you possibly understand the steps needed to get out? 

And what plan?  An effective plan for dealing with a pandemic like this starts as soon as you are made aware of it. 

"The Trump administration received its first formal notification of the outbreak of the coronavirus in China on Jan. 3. Within days, U.S. spy agencies were signaling the seriousness of the threat to Trump by including a warning about the coronavirus — the first of many — in the President’s Daily Brief.

And yet, it took 70 days from that initial notification for Trump to treat the coronavirus not as a distant threat or harmless flu strain well under control, but as a lethal force that had outflanked America’s defenses and was poised to kill tens of thousands of citizens. That more-than-two-month stretch now stands as critical time that was squandered."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2020/04/04/coronavirus-government-dysfunction/?arc404=true

 

Trump's "plan" changes as reality emerges, just as predicted.  Such analysis at least warns the country we have an incompetent, narcissistic leader. (Well, at least 60% of the country.) 

That's useful information to have as he continues with his inept attempts to "lead".

And now one of his primary focuses consists of spinning his response to look as if he's been effective all along or it would have been - or could be - worse if he weren't in charge:

Trump says keeping US Covid-19 deaths to 100,000 would be a ‘very good job’

President extends social distancing rules to 30 April, saying open for Easter plans were only ‘aspirational’

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/30/trump-says-keeping-us-covid-19-deaths-to-100000-would-be-a-very-good-job

But hey, he's getting better ratings than "The Bachelor"!

You are nothing but a Trump apologist.

We'd be better off to "25th Trump" and put Pence in charge.

Did you mean to state this instead? "If you don't even understand how you got into a bad situation how can you possibly understand the steps needed to get out what not to do the next time the situation comes up?"

 

  

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3 hours ago, creed said:

Did you mean to state this instead? "If you don't even understand how you got into a bad situation how can you possibly understand the steps needed to get out what not to do the next time the situation comes up?"

 

  

No I meant what I said. 

This is an ongoing situation and Trump continues to make bad decisions regarding issues such as ventilator and PPE supply.  (For example, his reluctance to actually invoke the Defense Emergency Act.)

In spite of the extraordinary power concentrated in the presidency, we still operate via a representative republic. Such a system of government works best only when factual information is efficiently reported by the press.  

But certainly your version is also just as valid. 

For example, I suspect one of the outcomes of this pandemic will be some sort of advance in healthcare insurance resulting in universal coverage. 

There will also undoubtedly be a greater emphasis put on preparation by the federal government as well as more credence provided to the experts warning of such potential pandemics.

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4 hours ago, I_M4_AU said:

Definition of comparison

 

1: the act or process of comparing: such as

a: the representing of one thing or person as similar to or like another His poetry invites comparison with the poems of Robert Frost.

b: an examination of two or more items to establish similarities and dissimilarities His faults seem minor by comparison.a comparison of the sports cars

2: identity of features : SIMILARITYseveral points of comparison between the two

3: the modification of an adjective or adverb to denote different levels of quality, quantity, or relation

 

Definition of example

 (Entry 1 of 2)

1: one that serves as a pattern to be imitated or not to be imitated a good example

2: a punishment inflicted on someone as a warning to othersalso : an individual so punished

3: one that is representative of all of a group or type

4: a parallel or closely similar case especially when serving as a precedent or model

5: an instance (such as a problem to be solved) serving to illustrate a rule or precept or to act as an exercise in the application of a rule

 

I don’t see it as the same.  I will agree that the NRSB was a comparison, but not the incident itself. If it were I would have taken each part and compared it to Trump’s response.  I’m sorry you interpreted my statement as a comparison.  I could go into it, but it would do no good as we would never agree. 

 

What would you call the travel ban, social distancing and ever other action he has taken to stop the spread of the virus? 

I'll give Trump the travel ban.  But considered in the context of the wasted time that followed, it was inconsequential.  Pretty much like everything else, Trump was late with emphasizing the recommendations such as social distancing and continues to demonstrate a lack of leadership in not following them personally. 

 

 

You mean like Cuomo or Biden?  Heaven help us.  I think Trump is listening to his advisors.  Criticizing a leader is the easiest thing to do and you do it well.

Do you seriously think Cuomo of Biden would be worse than Trump in soliciting and following advice?  Really?

Trump follows the advice of the last person who talked to him.

 

There is a saying; Don’t change horses in the middle of a stream.

The exception being if your horse is obviously incapable or maybe refused to move in the right direction.

 

 

You were provided an example of an airline failure to illustrate how a given crisis should be handled to make your point (we should wait to a crisis is over to examine initial mistakes).

I contend your example is irrelevant when one compares the aspects of that example to our current crisis of a pandemic, for all the reasons I stated.  Period

And like I have said elsewhere, there will be many such post event analysis in the near future.  None of them will negate the mistakes that were made in the first 70 days or so.

There is absolutely no rational reason to avoid looking at how we got to where we are now, especially with a decision on retaining our current leadership looming. If Trump is already campaigning on what a great job he did, it behooves us to know the facts. Admit it, that's your concern, isn't it? 

(And arguing the nuances between an example and a comparison is rather silly.)

 

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, homersapien said:

Do you seriously think Cuomo of Biden would be worse than Trump in soliciting and following advice?  Really?

Yes I do,  How has Cuomo done for New York?  He started getting serious about this AFTER Trump put in his restrictions.  He was suppose to be the leader for the state and New York is THE hotspot in the U.S.  I’m not sure how you can say he would do better.

 

9 minutes ago, homersapien said:

I contend your example is irrelevant when one compares the aspects of that example to our current crisis of a pandemic, for all the reasons I stated.  Period

I contend the example was relevant for all the reasons I stated.

 

11 minutes ago, homersapien said:

And like I have said elsewhere, there will be many such post event analysis in the near future.  None of them will negate the mistakes that were made in the first 70 days or so.

Where I will be interested to see is what the thought processes were after the travel ban and just before the social distancing measures were announced.  What was done behind the scenes that we are not aware of.  That is the time period that is most relevant in my view.

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4 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

Yes I do,  How has Cuomo done for New York?  He started getting serious about this AFTER Trump put in his restrictions.  He was suppose to be the leader for the state and New York is THE hotspot in the U.S.  I’m not sure how you can say he would do better.

 

 

It's hard to take you seriously after such a statement professing faith in Trump's willingness to take advice. Hell, it's hard enough for advisors to even get his attention:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/24/opinion/coronavirus-trump.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/trump-has-the-attention-span-of-a-gnat-its-destroying-our-foreign-policy/2019/05/10/c5b30620-733e-11e9-9f06-5fc2ee80027a_story.html

 

Anyone would do better than Trump, anyone.  Republican, Democrat or independent.