Play the season without fans at the stadium

[Dual-Threat Rigby 8,662]

Are deaths really the only indicator for some people whether action should be taken or not??? 🤣

[beaumak 174]

8 minutes ago, Dual-Threat Rigby said:

Are deaths really the only indicator for some people whether action should be taken or not??? 🤣

i dont know, but think about this. what happens when the influenza comes back out next season with, my guess, very little resources have been used on it so far these months? and not many will be in the coming summer months when typically the medical world would be creating the next vaccine against it?

everybody has seemed to forgotten that there are other ailments, diseases, conditions, syndromes, infections, viruses, etc.. And to boot you are allowed to have more than one at the same time. who knows if the medical world is properly defining this COVID. what if someone had the flu and COVID? you know that is a possibility. if that person dies, which one do you attribute it to??

Or think about someone with AIDS, this person contracts COVID. Then dies. Did AIDS do it, or COVID? What will the hospital coroner write down? Seems like today they would write down COVID. Or better yet what about a patient with stage 4 terminal lung cancer due to smoking, right? Again look over shoulder, its COVID? 

Or, you are orca fat, horrible blood pressure, heart disease, etc. test positive for COVID. I guess its COVID again.

I might have added more than i should for examples to ponder for as far as indicators, point is we need to live our lives. And what action do you speak of? 

 

[aubiefifty 16,755]

13 hours ago, Quietmaninthecorner said:

 

take oot the driving death numbers for the top 18 states if you are gong to compare it to the Covid states without the top 18 states.  Covid deaths are still growing.   and yet death is not the only issue.   Large  percentages of hospitalized covid survivors  are finding further serious issues. 

I have zero issues with hunting, fishing, camping, hiking etc.   The mall, Walmart and grocery stores are different.   ONE sick person can infect a cashier who may not realize it until after infecting lots of customers.   Some of those customers may bring it home to Meemaw,  or to a friend with an imunocompromised  child.  This is how diseases are spread.    They can open,  but people need to take precautions seriously  until we actually flatten the curve or get a vaccine. 

We still drive,  but again THERE ARE RULES AND LAWS " to obey.    Look up how many car deaths there were per driver back before  speed rules, drunk driving laws,  seat belts,  stop lights,  turn signals etc.     all cause by people driving around willy-nilly.   millions of lives have been saved by restriction on driving.  If people would have used common sense ,  most of these laws wouldn't be needed.  But there are always the few that would continue to drive drunk or ridiculously fast or not look at a crossroad,  so we had to make laws and rules.  Same with the virus  while cases are growing.

 During some emergencies and disasters  we are made to stop driving in the area completely.       in pandemic terms.  you may have to curb your lifestyle.   

 

 If you can not see how it puts others at risk,  you need to look up how  viruses spread.    How do you think you catch any cold, flu, bug or virus.  It doesn't just magically appear.  It comes from someone with the disease.    The more contact ,  the more likely for transfer.    

No one  is hiding under the bed.  It is called being a mature responsible adult.   

91,000 extra deaths IS  mass casualties. 

 

how refreshing to see some common sense on here.

[aubiefifty 16,755]

7 hours ago, Mikey said:

There is no explanation for this post except that you had been drinking for some extended time when you wrote it. I hope you drink quality stuff that won't cause a bad hangover.

you would be dead wrong

[Quietmaninthecorner 1,945]

13 hours ago, japantiger said:

So you have no data....just more hysteria.   Please point out to me all the deaths in Walmart and grocery store populations.   I'll save you some time...there aren't any.

Please explain to me how someone that is properly isolated can get any  virus? 

 

 

save me time?  THERE AREN'T ANY?????       LMAO,   maybe you should spend some time (just a few seconds) and actually look up the propaganda  and misinformation you are spewing.   It sounds like your are just regurgitating what Bubba told you at the booby trap from back in march.  There are literally dozens of reports like this across the country...

https://www.mlive.com/coronavirus/2020/04/kroger-meijer-report-deaths-of-grocery-store-workers-in-michigan-from-coronavirus.html

https://www.9news.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/costco-walmart-among-grocery-store-covid-19-outbreaks/73-bde0be4d-e1e3-41f1-a56d-8cf2356d6dde

https://www.livescience.com/how-coronavirus-spreads-grocery-stores.html

https://patch.com/connecticut/across-ct/ct-grocery-store-employee-dies-coronavirus-mourned

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/grocery-store-workers-first-responders-essential-workers-coronavirus/

https://www.businessinsider.com./grocery-store-worker-deaths-from-coronavirus-at-least-30-nationwide-2020-4

https://www.thedailybeast.com/grocery-stores-report-coronavirus-deaths-in-recent-weeks

https://www.9news.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/costco-walmart-among-grocery-store-covid-19-outbreaks/73-bde0be4d-e1e3-41f1-a56d-8cf2356d6dde

 

But I see the problem now,   your tunnel vision that death is the only negative outcome is narrow and dangerous.   It is NOT  just about older people, and it is NOT just about death. Recovery is only half the battle. long term issues are not dependent on the severity of the disease, comorbidity or age.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-kidney/kidney-injury-seen-in-more-than-a-third-of-hospitalized-covid-19-patients-u-s-study-idUSKBN22Q0U7?utm_source=reddit.com

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-12/covid-19-s-health-effects-can-last-long-after-virus-is-gone

https://www.al.com/news/2020/05/small-number-of-alabama-children-have-rare-condition-linked-to-coronavirus.html?utm_source=reddit.com

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52662065

https://www.vox.com/2020/5/1/21244171/stroke-coronavirus-symptoms-blood-clots

https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/covid-19-stroke-blood-clots

https://www.newsweek.com/scans-covid-19-patients-reveal-what-coronavirus-can-do-your-bowel-1503367

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/05/05/what-kawasaki-disease-linked-coronavirus/3083545001/

https://newsfeeds.media/is-kawasaki-disease-contagious-and-can-adults-get-it/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=is-kawasaki-disease-contagious-and-can-adults-get-it

https://www.ft.com/content/be7e66c0-1243-45dd-829f-8b192c18acff

https://www.foxnews.com/health/even-after-respiratory-symptoms-fade-coronavirus-victims-face-new-danger

https://www.vox.com/2020/5/8/21251899/coronavirus-long-term-effects-symptoms

https://theconversation.com/coronavirus-found-in-******-of-young-men-with-covid-19-138059

https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-coronavirus-covid-patients-rehabilitation-recovery-illinois-20200508-umnznrdvifc47izvjzcyy5nf4u-story.html

[Quietmaninthecorner 1,945]

8 hours ago, beaumak said:

i dont know, but think about this. what happens when the influenza comes back out next season with, my guess, very little resources have been used on it so far these months? and not many will be in the coming summer months when typically the medical world would be creating the next vaccine against it?

everybody has seemed to forgotten that there are other ailments, diseases, conditions, syndromes, infections, viruses, etc.. And to boot you are allowed to have more than one at the same time. who knows if the medical world is properly defining this COVID. what if someone had the flu and COVID? you know that is a possibility. if that person dies, which one do you attribute it to??

Or think about someone with AIDS, this person contracts COVID. Then dies. Did AIDS do it, or COVID? What will the hospital coroner write down? Seems like today they would write down COVID. Or better yet what about a patient with stage 4 terminal lung cancer due to smoking, right? Again look over shoulder, its COVID? 

Or, you are orca fat, horrible blood pressure, heart disease, etc. test positive for COVID. I guess its COVID again.

I might have added more than i should for examples to ponder for as far as indicators, point is we need to live our lives. And what action do you speak of? 

 

I am no expert,  but I would hope that any death that happens prematurely because of covid should be a  covid related death.  So,  if you have a terminal disease,   and are given 48 hours to live,    you contract corona,  but die 48 hours later that would not be corona related.     If you have a terminal disease and are give 6 months to live   and you die  in a week.  Your premature death would be corona related.  

The guy with corona that trips,  falls down a flight of stairs and dies is an interesting topic.    I would say it is NOT corona related death unless you could PROVE  he tripped because of having the virus.  Like... he was dizzy and weak or had blurry vision that was caused by the virus.

[Mikey 16,576]

30 minutes ago, Quietmaninthecorner said:

Please explain to me how someone that is properly isolated can get any  virus? 

How long should an entire nation quiver in fear and stay "properly isolated"? The only sound, permanent solution is the development of herd immunity and isolation delays that. Sooner or later, the populace is going to have to come out of the basement and look at the world. That's starting in many places. I saw a news squib of a large group of people blocking off a street in Myrtle Beach and holding a normal street dance. No masks, no social distancing and so forth. This is going to happen with increasing frequency around the country. Had I been in Myrtle Beach, I'd have happily joined them.

Americans aren't going to put up with this madness much longer anyway. Nursing homes and similar situations shroud try to protect their residents while the rest of us resume our lives in the manner that we were living them before this current edition of a dread disease becomes nothing but the most recent past dread disease and the new one sends millions to cower in their fearful corners.

[Quietmaninthecorner 1,945]

1 minute ago, Mikey said:

How long should an entire nation quiver in fear and stay "properly isolated"? The only sound, permanent solution is the development of herd immunity and isolation delays that. Sooner or later, the populace is going to have to come out of the basement and look at the world. That's starting in many places. I saw a news squib of a large group of people blocking off a street in Myrtle Beach and holding a normal street dance. No masks, no social distancing and so forth. This is going to happen with increasing frequency around the country. Had I been in Myrtle Beach, I'd have happily joined them.

Americans aren't going to put up with this madness much longer anyway. Nursing homes and similar situations shroud try to protect their residents while the rest of us resume our lives in the manner that we were living them before this current edition of a dread disease becomes nothing but the most recent past dread disease and the new one sends millions to cower in their fearful corners.

 

Look,  My grandfather spent 2 years in world war II in new guinea jungle.  He didn't get to go dance on the street or get his hair done,  or  or get a Starbucks coffee like you want to.  He didn't get to go to the grocery store,  he didn't get to see his friends and family,  he didn't even have communication with them.  He lived of a handful of rice per day or less.  Only shelter was a sleeping bag.   He never bitched or cried about doing it.  it was the RIGHT thing to do for society.   You have the luxury  of a bed,  a roof, food,  medicine,  internet,  telephones,  you can go out with precautions.    your are bitching about it after 8 weeks!    Suck it up buttercup.  Quit being a whiner. 

[Mikey 16,576]

Just now, Quietmaninthecorner said:

 

Look,  My grandfather spent 2 years in world war II in new guinea jungle.  He didn't get to go dance on the street or get his hair done,  or  or get a Starbucks coffee like you want to.  He didn't get to go to the grocery store,  he didn't get to see his friends and family,  he didn't even have communication with them.  He lived of a handful of rice per day or less.  Only shelter was a sleeping bag.   He never bitched or cried about doing it.  it was the RIGHT thing to do for society.   You have the luxury  of a bed,  a roof, food,  medicine,  internet,  telephones,  you can go out with precautions.    your are bitching about it after 8 weeks!    Suck it up buttercup.  Quit being a whiner. 

Well, gee. My grandfather chased Pancho Villa around Mexico. My father was killed in action in the South Pacific when I was seven weeks old. My great uncle got shot up in North Africa while serving under Patton. He didn't die from wounds but his life very much ended there. These people didn't make tremendous sacrifices so Americans could snivel in corners and give up freedoms. These people did all this, and we're giving up the freedom they fought for because we're worried about getting sick? Not me!

[stoic-one 1,543]

Sooo... Fans, or no? 

 

[Quietmaninthecorner 1,945]

15 minutes ago, Mikey said:

Well, gee. My grandfather chased Pancho Villa around Mexico. My father was killed in action in the South Pacific when I was seven weeks old. My great uncle got shot up in North Africa while serving under Patton. He didn't die from wounds but his life very much ended there. These people didn't make tremendous sacrifices so Americans could snivel in corners and give up freedoms. These people did all this, and we're giving up the freedom they fought for because we're worried about getting sick? Not me!

I have lots of relative that died or were injured in wars also.    You are very correct. These people made tremendous sacrifices for freedom and society!!   They willingly gave up their "freedom"  to do normal things for a long time for America and the word.    Why can't you can make some simple sacrifices for society without crying about it?

 

Your GF chased Poncho Villa to stop him from killing innocent Americans and raiding american towns.     By social distancing and obeying suggested protocols, , you can  help stop the virus from killing Americans.   Be like your grandfather, be part pf the solution. 

[oracle79 3,569]

23 minutes ago, Quietmaninthecorner said:

My grandfather spent 2 years in world war II in new guinea jungle. 

I'll bet he wasn't hiding in his house during the 57 and 68 flu pandemics either was he?

[Grumps 3,704]

Why don't y'all take the political garbage to the political forum? There is no need to stink up the football forum.

[McLoofus 35,182]

11 minutes ago, stoic-one said:

Sooo... Fans, or no? 

Watched some Bundesliga Saturday. It was definitely weird with no fans in the stadium. It was better than nothing. But when the home team- Dortmund, of all teams and venues- scored and there was no crowd to go wild? That was saaaaaaad, man. Just eerie. 

But I think sports with no fans is better than nothing at all. 

[Mikey 16,576]

4 minutes ago, Quietmaninthecorner said:

 Why can't you can make some simple sacrifices for society without crying about it?

Because the sacrifices demanded are by all indications worthless. Georgia opened up four weeks ago. At last check, corona virus cases there are still declining in number. At least one Atlanta hospital closed its virus section last week because of no business. This isn't the first similar scare we've seen in the last 75 years and it won't be the last. Shutting the nation down because of these things is unprecedented and to all appearances, was unnecessary.

The whole idea of the shutdowns was to "flatten the curve". The curve, if there ever was going to be one, is flat. It's time to move on.

[Quietmaninthecorner 1,945]

Just now, oracle79 said:

I'll bet he wasn't hiding in his house during the 57 and 68 flu pandemics either was he?

More than likely he did. But your point is taken. He would be more of an exception.  While in new guinea he survived malaria. He had some health issues the rest of his life. 

[oracle79 3,569]

1 minute ago, Quietmaninthecorner said:

He would be more of an exception.

To be fair, that was a tougher generation and didn't have the luxury of many of the vaccinations we have today. I had an uncle with polio and he used crutches to get around, but it didn't slow him down much. Hard to comprehend that lifestyle today.

[Quietmaninthecorner 1,945]

Just now, Mikey said:

Because the sacrifices demanded are by all indications worthless. Georgia opened up four weeks ago. At last check, corona virus cases there are still declining in number. At least one Atlanta hospital closed its virus section last week because of no business. This isn't the first similar scare we've seen in the last 75 years and it won't be the last. Shutting the nation down because of these things is unprecedented and to all appearances, was unnecessary.

The whole idea of the shutdowns was to "flatten the curve". The curve, if there ever was going to be one, is flat. It's time to move on.

AGAIN,  educate yourself before spewing propaganda. 

Do you even understand what a flat curve looks like???  Check out Australia.      That is a flat curve.  There are countries that have eliminated the disease now by isolating.

 

 

 

[Quietmaninthecorner 1,945]

1 minute ago, oracle79 said:

To be fair, that was a tougher generation and didn't have the luxury of many of the vaccinations we have today. I had an uncle with polio and he used crutches to get around, but it didn't slow him down much. Hard to comprehend that lifestyle today.

I live that lifestyle. 

[AUsince72 11,084]

16 minutes ago, Mikey said:

Well, gee. My grandfather chased Pancho Villa around Mexico. My father was killed in action in the South Pacific when I was seven weeks old. My great uncle got shot up in North Africa while serving under Patton. He didn't die from wounds but his life very much ended there. These people didn't make tremendous sacrifices so Americans could snivel in corners and give up freedoms. These people did all this, and we're giving up the freedom they fought for because we're worried about getting sick? Not me!

My post is totally unrelated to this riveting conversation about whether or not the season should go on with or without fans... 🤪

.....but on a serious note, Mikey, I'm so sorry to hear about your father especially.  As a reader of American military history, especially WWII as I too have a few relatives, including my grandfather (Battle of the Bulge) who served on both fronts, I just wanted to say that you've got some family!  God bless brother.

[AUsince72 11,084]

9 minutes ago, McLoofus said:

Watched some Bundesliga Saturday. It was definitely weird with no fans in the stadium. It was better than nothing. But when the home team- Dortmund, of all teams and venues- scored and there was no crowd to go wild? That was saaaaaaad, man. Just eerie. 

But I think sports with no fans is better than nothing at all. 

So.... Canned applause or no?

[Quietmaninthecorner 1,945]

8 minutes ago, Grumps said:

Why don't y'all take the political garbage to the political forum? There is no need to stink up the football forum.

why should I have to sacrifice for the group?   Are you trying to take away my freedom with rules and protocols??     /s

[Mikey 16,576]

5 minutes ago, Quietmaninthecorner said:

I live that lifestyle. 

Then you, personally, should isolate and hope some medical treatment comes along. Same for those in nursing homes and similar situations. The rest of us need to be free to go about our business.

[McLoofus 35,182]

1 minute ago, AUsince72 said:

So.... Canned applause or no?

Nope. Just from the bench and whatever support staff were in the building, which wasn't many. 

The announcers mostly did a great job, but they had to reference the peculiarity of the situation many times, and that was awkward.

Even some vuvuzelas would've been better. 

[AUsince72 11,084]

Just now, McLoofus said:

Nope. Just from the bench and whatever support staff were in the building, which wasn't many. 

The announcers mostly did a great job, but they had to reference the peculiarity of the situation many times, and that was awkward.

Even some vuvuzelas would've been better. 

Okay sir, you've gone TOO far now!!!