Trump’s assault on truth takes an ugly new turn

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4 hours ago, McLoofus said:

For the briefest moment last night, I thought it would matter to them that the Episcopal Diocese of Washington DC strongly disavowed and criticized not only trump's use of their church and bible without permission for his publicity stunt, but also his entire anti-Christian presidency. But then I remembered who and what those people really are.

 

They cleared peaceful protests AND the church using tear gas without telling the clergy. All for a minute of Trump holding the bible up like he's in show and tell and to spew a bit more rhetoric. 

 

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3 minutes ago, savorytiger said:

They cleared peaceful protests AND the church using tear gas without telling the clergy. All for a minute of Trump holding the bible up like he's in show and tell and to spew a bit more rhetoric. 

 

Didn't ask permission.

Didn't pray.

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1 hour ago, McLoofus said:

It's really incomprehensible that the guy openly admires multiple autocrats and dictators- to include every closest comparison to Hitler alive today- and these clowns stick their heads in the sand. That should be the flashing red sign to even the most ignorant, unlearned among us.

Once you get into third-grade level history and see the consistent pattern that goes straight through- yes- Hitler and the similarities with those same current dictators, it really should be obvious.

But I'm telling you. This is another Third Wave experiment happening in real life and some of the dumbasses in here think they're getting an armband. I just really hope that our democracy is sound enough to withstand it. That insanity last night has me shook.

Jackasses talking about how free this country is while their hero looks them in the eye and tells them that he's sending the military in to rob American citizens of their First Amendment rights. You idiots! Wake the **** up!

 

Hitler assumed power without a majority vote electing him also.

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1 hour ago, savorytiger said:

They cleared peaceful protests AND the church using tear gas without telling the clergy. All for a minute of Trump holding the bible up like he's in show and tell and to spew a bit more rhetoric. 

 

Trump is working overtime to devise a way for this to help him in the election.  Probably cutting into his golf and twitter time.

That photo reminds me of the saying:  "When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the American flag and carrying a cross."

 

'Words of a dictator': Trump's threat to deploy military raises spectre of fascism

The president suggested the US could use troops against Americans – true to the instincts of a man surrounded by sycophants

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/02/donald-trump-george-floyd-protests-military-threat

 

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11 minutes ago, homersapien said:

Hitler assumed power without a majority vote electing him also.

Too bad the only people who will see the similarities in this already see them.

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It is this event that would become termed Hitler's Machtergreifung ("seizure of power"). The term was originally used by some Nazis to suggest a revolutionary process,^[77] though Hitler, and others, used the word Machtübernahme ("take-over of power"), reflecting that the transfer of power took place within the existing constitutional framework^[77] and suggesting that the process was legal.^[78][79]

Papen was to serve as Vice-Chancellor in a majority conservative Cabinet – still falsely believing that he could "tame" Hitler.^[58] Initially, Papen did speak out against some Nazi excesses. However, after narrowly escaping death in the Night of the Long Knives in 1934, he no longer dared criticise the regime and was sent off to Vienna as German ambassador.^[80]

Both within Germany and abroad, there were initially few fears that Hitler could use his position to establish his later dictatorial single-party regime. Rather, the conservatives that helped to make him chancellor were convinced that they could control Hitler and "tame" the Nazi Party while setting the relevant impulses in the government themselves; foreign ambassadors played down worries by emphasizing that Hitler was "mediocre" if not a bad copy of Mussolini; even SPD politician Kurt Schumacher trivialized Hitler as a "Dekorationsstück" ("piece of scenery/decoration") of the new government. German newspapers wrote that, without doubt, the Hitler-led government would try to fight its political enemies (the left-wing parties), but that it would be impossible to establish a dictatorship in Germany because there was "a barrier, over which violence cannot proceed" and because of the German nation being proud of "the freedom of speech and thought". Theodor Wolff of Frankfurter Zeitung wrote:^[81]

It is a hopeless misjudgement to think that one could force a dictatorial regime upon the German nation. [...] The diversity of the German people calls for democracy.

— Theodor Wolff in Frankfurter Zeitung, Jan 1933

Even within the Jewish German community, in spite of Hitler not hiding his ardent antisemitism, the worries appear to have been limited. In a declaration of 30 January, the steering committee of the central Jewish German organization (Centralverein deutscher Staatsbürger jüdischen Glaubens) wrote that "as a matter of course" the Jewish community faces the new government "with the largest mistrust", but at the same they were convinced that "nobody would dare to touch [their] constitutional rights". The Jewish German newspaper Jüdische Rundschau [de] wrote on 31 Jan:^[82]

... that also within the German nation still the forces are active that would turn against a barbarian anti-Jewish policy.

— Jüdische Rundschau [de], 31 January 1933

However, a growing number of keen observers, like Sir Horace Rumbold, British Ambassador in Berlin, began to revise their opinions. On 22 February 1933, he wrote, "Hitler may be no statesman but he is an uncommonly clever and audacious demagogue and fully alive to every popular instinct," and he informed the Foreign Office that he had no doubt that the Nazis had "come to stay."^[83] On receiving the dispatch Robert Vansittart, Permanent Under-Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, concluded that if Hitler eventually gained the upper hand, "then another European war [was] within measurable distance."^[84]

With Germans who opposed Nazism failing to unite against it, Hitler soon moved to consolidate absolute power.

At the risk of appearing to talk nonsense I tell you that the National Socialist movement will go on for 1,000 years! ... Don't forget how people laughed at me 15 years ago when I declared that one day I would govern Germany. They laugh now, just as foolishly, when I declare that I shall remain in power!

— Adolf Hitler to a British correspondent in Berlin, June 1934^[85]

 

[homersapien 11,362]

Reminds me of this Trump statement instigating his base:

 

Trump Says Maybe '2nd Amendment People' Can Stop Clinton's Supreme Court Picks

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-2nd-amendment-folks-stop-clintons-supreme-court/story?id=41239648

"Hillary wants to abolish, essentially abolish the Second Amendment," Trump said to the crowd of supporters gathered in the Trask Coliseum at North Carolina University in Wilmington. "If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks.

"Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is. I don't know."

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42 minutes ago, homersapien said:

Reminds me of this Trump statement instigating his base:

That one was pretty funny to. Almost as funny as asking Russia for the emails.

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4 hours ago, homersapien said:

Hitler assumed power without a majority vote electing him also.

Dude, Hitler ran in a completely different governmental system than what we have today. They had at least 5 major parties and more minor ones. 

We have two. Hitler won without having a majority much like every other PM or Chancellor in Germany up to that time.  

It is kind of like saying Trump and Biden are both like Hitler because they both have two eyes...while it may be true, it means nothing.

Please man, we get it. You hate trump. But can you just refrain from beating the dead horse? You already post more articles than the rest of us combined. You post some guano that is just hilarious. The several you have posted about "Trump's Mental State" all by people that have never examined him is just top tier guano. The opinions of random people that have never spent 10 seconds with him on the couch  means nothing, absolutely nothing. 

If you want to talk about jobs, his bankruptcies, his complete lack of character, etc go ahead. But please, leave the meaningless fantasies to your own reading. 

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4 hours ago, homersapien said:

Hitler assumed power without a majority vote electing him also.

There is so much fail with this remark. 

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4 minutes ago, wdefromtx said:

There is so much fail with this remark. 

So speaks the master of failed remarks.

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5 minutes ago, TexasTiger said:

So speaks the master of failed remarks.

As you’d say...”that’s weak”...

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3 minutes ago, wdefromtx said:

As you’d say...”that’s weak”...

Yeah, but I was right.

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1 minute ago, TexasTiger said:

Yeah, but I was right.

That’s debatable, but if it helps you feel better about yourself then go ahead and think that. 

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26 minutes ago, wdefromtx said:

That’s debatable, but if it helps you feel better about yourself then go ahead and think that. 

Thanks for the permission. I know I thought I was having a reasonable conversation with you, left to eat lunch and you went mental. 🤪 Doesn’t take much, I guess. 😉

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2 minutes ago, TexasTiger said:

Thanks for the permission. I know I thought I was having a reasonable conversation with you, left to eat lunch and you went mental. 🤪 Doesn’t take much, I guess. 😉

Which I apologized for going after you for. You can accept it or not. I’m cool either way. I shouldn’t have stooped to homer’s level. It is what it is, too bad my post to him was deleted. I’m sure I said what everyone already thinks. 😂🤷‍♂️

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5 hours ago, DKW 86 said:

Dude, Hitler ran in a completely different governmental system than what we have today. They had at least 5 major parties and more minor ones.

We have two. Hitler won without having a majority much like every other PM or Chancellor in Germany up to that time.  

Hitler is an interesting case. With the plurality the Nazi party gained, Hindenburg was under tremendous pressure to make a deal with him to make the government work at all. 

So, under pressure from the conservatives (i.e. the monarchists), he did. The conservatives labored under the impression they could keep him in check, and they thought wrong, as he was able to appoint Goring and Frick as ministers of the interior,  something the conservatives thought they could prevent, and further cement the Nazi party's influence. 

Then the Reichstag fire happened, which he turned to his advantage to eliminate the communists, his only real opposition, and essentially dissolve the constitution, eliminating free speech, habeas corpus, make himself fuhrer, etc., resulting in Germany becoming a fascist nation. 

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It is kind of like saying Trump and Biden are both like Hitler because they both have two eyes...while it may be true, it means nothing.

Nah, that's not really true. There are more similarities here than you realize if you're willing to look.

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11 hours ago, wdefromtx said:

Which I apologized for going after you for. You can accept it or not. I’m cool either way. I shouldn’t have stooped to homer’s level. It is what it is, too bad my post to him was deleted. I’m sure I said what everyone already thinks. 😂🤷‍♂️

Wait...You had a post critical of Homey deleted? I would say I was shocked, but I try not to lie. SSDD.

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6 hours ago, AUDub said:

Hitler is an interesting case. With the plurality the Nazi party gained, Hindenburg was under tremendous pressure to make a deal with him to make the government work at all. 

So, under pressure from the conservatives (i.e. the monarchists), he did. The conservatives labored under the impression they could keep him in check, and they thought wrong, as he was able to appoint Goring and Frick as ministers of the interior,  something the conservatives thought they could prevent, and further cement the Nazi party's influence. 

Then the Reichstag fire happened, which he turned to his advantage to eliminate the communists, his only real opposition, and essentially dissolve the constitution, eliminating free speech, habeas corpus, make himself fuhrer, etc., resulting in Germany becoming a fascist nation. 

Please tell us that you do not think, even for a second, that Trump is about burn the Capital and dissolve the Constitution? Brother you are making a point as ridiculous as homeys. 

Nah, that's not really true. There are more similarities here than you realize if you're willing to look.

Dude, the whole point, which you so gloriously missed, was that there are legitimate things to talk about. I asked, F'IN ASKED WITH A PLEASE, that he refrain from the double helping of guano in SOME of his posts and gave examples. But as always, we cant have truth or nuance here. Nope. Its got to be all about the most pitiful, pathetic, trifling Talking Point, AND score keeping here. Never any reflection on what was said, or was it true, only on who scored the last point. Always. SSDD.

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18 hours ago, savorytiger said:

They cleared peaceful protests AND the church using tear gas without telling the clergy. All for a minute of Trump holding the bible up like he's in show and tell and to spew a bit more rhetoric. 

 

And for the record, this is a picture of man that has never held a Bible in his hand nor ever cracked one open to study.  
IF, big IF, you think this man has any real connection to God or Christ, after watching his actions over the last 30+ years, you are the one in need of help. 
DJT's entire life has been basically mocking every tenet in the Bible. He was a Democrat when it suited him. He is a Republican now because it suits him. 
In reality, he is just another narcissistic blow hard better suited for Hollywood than the White House. 

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Wasn’t this church vandalized then night before and boarded up when he stood in front of it? That’s what I read so it’s doubtful he cleared the church.

Before trusting Jesus most people lived a life mocking God. Including all of us. Those of us who trusted Jesus no longer do that. I understand that many of you don’t believe in God or Jesus and as such do not comprehend how people change and how unlikely characters are used by God for His own purposes. No one really expected Paul (Saul) who actively killed Christians to become one.

Pointing out someone’s past behavior is not relevant to what they believe today. 
 

The Bishop may need to check and see who actually owns that church.  I’m sure all of you were just as hard on the Clinton’s when they were attending church and hoisting their Bibles after the truth of the blue dress scandal became known.  

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8 hours ago, AUDub said:

Hitler Trump is an interesting case. With the plurality the Nazi Tea party gained, Hindenburg McConnell was under tremendous pressure to make a deal with him to make the government work at all. 

So, under pressure from the conservatives (i.e. the monarchists other Republicans), he did. The conservatives labored under the impression they could keep him in check, and they thought wrong, as he was able to appoint Goring and Frick as ministers of the interior expunge dozens of federal officers representing the checks and balances of our democracy,  something the conservatives thought they could prevent, and further cement the Nazi party's influence. 

Then the Reichstag fire a pandemic and national protests with occasional rioting happened, which he turned to his advantage to eliminate the communists a free press, his only real opposition, and essentially dissolve the constitution, eliminating free speech, habeas corpus, make himself fuhrer, etc., TBD resulting in Germany the US becoming a fascist nation. 

Huh.

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23 hours ago, homersapien said:

Yeah, the same way that Hitler was "simple and refreshing" back in the 30's. You knew were he stood also.

Prime example of some of you guys thoughts being a bit scary.

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14 hours ago, TexasTiger said:

So speaks the master of failed remarks.

Okay, @DKW 86 is understandably upset I didn’t recognize his superior mastery in this area. 😉

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2 hours ago, DKW 86 said:

Please tell us that you do not think, even for a second, that Trump is about burn the Capital and dissolve the Constitution? Brother you are making a point as ridiculous as homeys. 

Nah that's a strawman.

Hell, it's dubious to assume the Nazi's even set the Reichstag fire. It's quite possible the communists did it and Hitler simply turned the situation to his advantage. The communists in Germany were causing a lot of property damage in those days, so the accusation was believable.

2 hours ago, DKW 86 said:

Dude, the whole point, which you so gloriously missed, was that there are legitimate things to talk about. I asked, F'IN ASKED WITH A PLEASE, that he refrain from the double helping of guano in SOME of his posts and gave examples. But as always, we cant have truth or nuance here. Nope. Its got to be all about the most pitiful, pathetic, trifling Talking Point, AND score keeping here. Never any reflection on what was said, or was it true, only on who scored the last point. Always. SSDD.

No you handwaved a legitimate comparison. 

Hitler probably isn't the best of the early fascist models to look at. I would go with Mussolini, and even a cursory comparison will reveal some striking similarities. Trump and his movement, Trumpism, check most of the boxes for the nascent fascist movement. 

And this isn't exclusive to America. A lot of these ultra-nationalist, cult-of-personality types gaining a lot of influence worldwide right now. Bolsonaro in Brazil, Orban in Hungary, Erdogan in Turkey, Duterte in the Phillipines. In England you have Farage and UKIP (thankfully marginalized since #brexit came to pass and most of their voters returned to the conservative fold), in France you have Le Pen and her Front National, and in the Netherlands you have Wilders and his Party for Freedom. 

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20 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said:

Prime example of some of you guys thoughts being a bit scary.