i am curious so i have a question

[augolf1716 21,101]

1 hour ago, bigbird said:

Me too!

Shocked

[DKW 86 7,419]

33 minutes ago, aubiefifty said:

if i did not manscape i would be hid in the bushes so to speak.............grins

[homersapien 11,357]

What it means to be anti-racist

It’s not enough to be “not racist,” experts and educators say.

 

“I’m not a racist.”

That’s what Amy Cooper, a white woman, said when she publicly apologized for calling the police on a black man bird-watching in Central Park.

The words rang especially hollow coming from Cooper. After all, the previous day she had used her position as a white woman to summon police — and the potential for police violence — against editor and birder Christian Cooper after he asked her to put her dog on a leash. “I’m going to tell them there’s an African American man threatening my life,” she says in a video that quickly went viral.

Not everyone acquires the overnight infamy of Amy Cooper. But her claim of non-racism was a familiar one. If asked, most people would probably say they are not racist. And they’re especially likely to say it after they’ve already done something racist. As Ibram X. Kendi, director of the Antiracist Research and Policy Center at American University, notes in his book How to Be an Antiracist, “When racist ideas resound, denials that those ideas are racist typically follow.”

Read the rest at: https://www.vox.com/2020/6/3/21278245/antiracist-racism-race-books-resources-antiracism

[I_M4_AU 7,785]

Is cleaning off graffiti racist?

 

 

[homersapien 11,357]

By the way I congratulate Big Bird for initiating the discussion on prejudice vs. racism. 

Regardless of how our perspectives may vary this is the sort of discussion the country needs to be engaged in. I wish we had started a dedicated thread for it as it deserves it. (I had to use the search function to find the thread.)

Anyway, here's a segment from last nights PBSNH on the role of "implicit bias" in race relations that I thought was very relevant to our discussion.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/this-police-training-uncovers-the-implicit-bias-in-all-of-us

 

[Texan4Auburn 1,626]

On 6/3/2020 at 4:54 PM, bigbird said:

Not necessarily. I'm assuming you are implying that it comes from hate.

Have you ever told a blonde joke? How about an bama/Aggie joke?  Those are stereotypes and prejudices but they aren't based in hate. What about blacks are better at sports, Canadians are nicer than Americans, or Asians are smarter? Those are all prejudices too but they aren't negative and certainly not based in hate. 

Know what I hate.... you are probably that guy that thinks all us of Scottish decent run around wearing kilts, carrying swords, cutting people's heads off, and yelling freedom.

Well it isn't true.

We wear long coats, carry swords, cut peoples heads off, and yell there can be only one.

 

[Texan4Auburn 1,626]

On 6/3/2020 at 6:27 PM, McLoofus said:

Just seems like there's effort on your part to not use that particular word. 

Also, I've never once heard or seen racism defined strictly as a behavior and not also as a system of thought. And, as someone who spent his high school years in Montgomery, went to Auburn, moved to Birmingham and then moved to Atlanta, I've been intimately involved in the conversation about racism- mostly the black kind, but several other varieties, too (I've been schooled enough times by your fellow Texicans on white-Latinx relations that I'm learning to be more humble about that; however, I did move back to Montgomery in '88 with a Korean sister) - damn near my entire life, and in the unholy trinity of racially charged southern cities to boot. 

But yeah. Agree to disagree. 

While I hated it(the town just sucked), I did get positives out of being in a military town when I was younger. I knew many Koreans, especially mixed Korean. Lot military guys had married Korean women. Were many mixed relationships also due to service men coming back with wives from Europe (especially Germany).

One of the craziest things ever. Teammates mom was Korean and her mother in law was full German like from Germany recently. She made the best German style brisket lol. It was better than her mother in laws. His sister was like my first GF.

Another teammates dad had married an Italian woman over there, he was Puerto Rican. She would cook like the family style Italian dinners like you see on TV for pre-game meals. You had white, black, Hispanic, Asian, all kind of mixed kids and parents just sitting at a table, enjoying awesome food, and having a good time.

We moved before I got to HS, but looking back (along with my parents teachings) I credit those experiences and exposures to how I view people today.

[aubiefifty 16,737]

i was an army brat in germany. there were a whole lot of germans that did not care for americans. it made soldiers and their families that much closer. sometimes i think we do not hate other races as we fear them.

[bigbird 60,451]

7 hours ago, Texan4Auburn said:

While I hated it(the town just sucked), I did get positives out of being in a military town when I was younger. I knew many Koreans, especially mixed Korean. Lot military guys had married Korean women. Were many mixed relationships also due to service men coming back with wives from Europe (especially Germany).

One of the craziest things ever. Teammates mom was Korean and her mother in law was full German like from Germany recently. She made the best German style brisket lol. It was better than her mother in laws. His sister was like my first GF.

Another teammates dad had married an Italian woman over there, he was Puerto Rican. She would cook like the family style Italian dinners like you see on TV for pre-game meals. You had white, black, Hispanic, Asian, all kind of mixed kids and parents just sitting at a table, enjoying awesome food, and having a good time.

We moved before I got to HS, but looking back (along with my parents teachings) I credit those experiences and exposures to how I view people today.

I had similar experiences and results being a military brat.

[johnnyAU 3,630]

On 6/4/2020 at 10:58 AM, aubiefifty said:

if i did not manscape i would be hid in the bushes so to speak.............grins

Like a button on a fur coat. 

[aubiefifty 16,737]

Just now, johnnyAU said:

Like a button on a fur coat. 

that would be generous...........................

[aubiefifty 16,737]

borrowed from a friend on facebook

1973: The Nixon administration sued Trump for refusing to rent to black people.

1980s: Trump's casinos were accused of hiding the black staff when Trump visited.

1989: Trump took out a full-page ad, arguing for the death penalty for a group of black men (The 'Central Park Five'), effectively putting a bounty on their heads, and plaguing them with a lifetime of death threats. He was sued by the Justice Department for discrimination.

1991: “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kinds of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day… I think that the [black] guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault, because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is.”

1992: Trump's casino was fined $200,000 for transferring black dealers off certain tables to appease racist patrons.

1993: Trump said Native American casinos shouldn’t be allowed because “they don’t look like Indians to me.”

2000: Trump ran a series of attack ads against Native American casinos alleging (with no proof) that they were guilty of crimes.

2004: Trump fired a black contestant from 'The Apprentice' for being over-educated.

2010: Trump argued in favor of segregating Muslims in Lower Manhattan.

2011: Birtherism. Trump alleged that Obama was Kenyan based on nothing but skin color. He never apologized nor renounced that claim.

2015 (1): Trump called Mexican immigrants "rapists" who are "bringing crime and drugs" to the U.S.

2015 (2): Trump called for "a ban on all Muslims entering the U.S."

2016 (1): Trump called for a Mexican judge to recuse himself based on nothing other than his race. Paul Ryan said this was “the textbook definition of a racist comment.”

2016 (2): Trump regularly retweeted material from white supremacists and neo-Nazis during his campaign.

2016 (3): Trump tweeted a picture alleging that Hillary was Jewish, or controlled by Jewish people.

2016 (4): The Trump campaign adopted Nixon's "Law and Order" rhetoric which was based in racial fearmongering.

2016 (5): Trump told black voters "What do you have to lose?"

2017 (1): Trump asked a reporter to set up a meeting with the black caucus simply because she was black.

2017 (2): "...some very fine people on both sides" said Trump of a violent Nazi rally.

2017 (3): Trump said people from Haiti "all have AIDS" and people from Nigeria would never “go back to their huts” after seeing America.

2018 (1): Trump called Haiti and African countries shitholes.

2018 (2): Trump referenced the trail of tears to mock Elizabeth Warren.

2019: Trump tweeted that four black and brown congresswomen should go back where they came from. Then attacked Elijah Cummings. Then Baltimore. Then Al Sharpton.

2020: Trump called black protesters "THUGS" just days after calling white protesters "very good people." Then he threatened to direct the military to shoot the black protestors in the street.”-Translate Trump

[Texan4Auburn 1,626]

15 hours ago, aubiefifty said:

i was an army brat in germany. there were a whole lot of germans that did not care for americans. it made soldiers and their families that much closer. sometimes i think we do not hate other races as we fear them.

With you 100% here. Like I mentioned elsewhere you have some white people that grew up in states like Iowa and Nebraska that move to Chicago. Demographic wise there are not many minorities in those states. Then all they see on the news is the gang issues in areas like Hyde Park and Englewood when they move there. I'd put fear over hate there.

[Mikey 16,565]

9 hours ago, Texan4Auburn said:

With you 100% here. Like I mentioned elsewhere you have some white people that grew up in states like Iowa and Nebraska that move to Chicago. Demographic wise there are not many minorities in those states. Then all they see on the news is the gang issues in areas like Hyde Park and Englewood when they move there. I'd put fear over hate there.

My first few months in the military service I met guys from Idaho, South Dakota and so forth that had never seen two things in person: The ocean or a black person. Some few of those lectured me on race relations, but at least none of them ever tried to tell me how to handle a skiff in a trailing sea.

[McLoofus 35,182]

On 6/6/2020 at 3:06 AM, Texan4Auburn said:

While I hated it(the town just sucked), I did get positives out of being in a military town when I was younger. I knew many Koreans, especially mixed Korean. Lot military guys had married Korean women. Were many mixed relationships also due to service men coming back with wives from Europe (especially Germany).

One of the craziest things ever. Teammates mom was Korean and her mother in law was full German like from Germany recently. She made the best German style brisket lol. It was better than her mother in laws. His sister was like my first GF.

Another teammates dad had married an Italian woman over there, he was Puerto Rican. She would cook like the family style Italian dinners like you see on TV for pre-game meals. You had white, black, Hispanic, Asian, all kind of mixed kids and parents just sitting at a table, enjoying awesome food, and having a good time.

We moved before I got to HS, but looking back (along with my parents teachings) I credit those experiences and exposures to how I view people today.

Spent 2 years living on Yongsan in Seoul as a kid. My sister was born Korean. Moved there on a Tuesday. Spent the first 2 nights in a hotel. Moved into our apartment on Thursday. She came to live with us on Friday. Anyway, I had the same experience. Kids of mixed Asian descent (several half-Japanese kids, too) might have equaled kids of other non-white descent in number at my school. Probably a similar number of black and Latinx kids. White homecoming queen (she was a dead ringer for Brooke Shields) and black homecoming king in 1987.  I could go on with anecdotes, although I definitely can't beat real Italian dinners with all in attendance. It was the only true melting pot I've ever lived in. It actually set me back a bit in terms of understanding racism, because it was a much more vague concept to me at a very impressionable age. Especially with the weird juxtaposition of Koreans being (understandably,) generally xenophobic (given their history of being invaded and to include being forced to accept continued American military presence) but having to put up with big, loud, spoiled Americans (even kids) and our money. (Kia, Hyundai and Samsung were only beginning to get a foothold in international markets back then, and Seoul was much grimier at the time.) They weren't putting up with us as much by the time the Olympics rolled around in '88, though. There were many nights we couldn't go outside because the teargas from the riots permeated the air over the entire city.

Whoops. Not really relevant info. I guess my point is that I understand what you're saying and my viewpoint is similarly influenced. And, damn, I'm grateful for it.

PS- It was very, very hard moving back to Montgomery after that. It was awful. Montgomery lived up to every deep south stereotype there is. I eventually assimilated in ways that I deeply regret. Seemed the best way to survive high school. I'm grateful to have gone back out into the world to develop meaningful relationships with and deeper understanding of people of all walks and issues that arise from our differences. You and @aubiefifty are right. Hatred is most often a function of fear, which is most often a function of ignorance. It's fun to look at the similarities in the conversations about potential changes in football ("the <current topic of proposed change> will end college football as we know it!"). 

[aubiefifty 16,737]

3 minutes ago, McLoofus said:

Spent 2 years living on Yongsan in Seoul as a kid. My sister was born Korean. Moved there on a Tuesday. Spent the first 2 nights in a hotel. Moved into our apartment on Thursday. She came to live with us on Friday. Anyway, I had the same experience. Kids of mixed Asian descent (several half-Japanese kids, too) might have equaled kids of other non-white descent in number at my school. Probably a similar number of black and Latinx kids. White homecoming queen (she was a dead ringer for Brooke Shields) and black homecoming king in 1987.  I could go on with anecdotes, although I definitely can't beat real Italian dinners with all in attendance. It was the only true melting pot I've ever lived in. It actually set me back a bit in terms of understanding racism, because it was a much more vague concept to me at a very impressionable age. Especially with the weird juxtaposition of Koreans being (understandably,) generally xenophobic (given their history of being invaded and to include being forced to accept continued American military presence) but having to put up with big, loud, spoiled Americans (even kids) and our money. (Kia, Hyundai and Samsung were only beginning to get a foothold in international markets back then, and Seoul was much grimier at the time.) They weren't putting up with us as much by the time the Olympics rolled around in '88, though. There were many nights we couldn't go outside because the teargas from the riots permeated the air over the entire city.

Whoops. Not really relevant info. I guess my point is that I understand what you're saying and my viewpoint is similarly influenced. And, damn, I'm grateful for it.

PS- It was very, very hard moving back to Montgomery after that. It was awful. Montgomery lived up to every deep south stereotype there is. I eventually assimilated in ways that I deeply regret. Seemed the best way to survive high school. I'm grateful to have gone back out into the world to develop meaningful relationships with and deeper understanding of people of all walks and issues that arise from our differences. You and @aubiefifty are right. Hatred is most often a function of fear, which is most often a function of ignorance. It's fun to look at the similarities in the conversations about potential changes in football ("the <current topic of proposed change> will end college football as we know it!"). 

i love when i get something right with folks i respect..............