repubs or righties i got a question?

[aubiefifty 16,705]

can anyone tell me why they think libs are all evil without attacking or insulting people? just the facts. i promise to be nice to anyone that answers nicely. i want to know. i dislike abortion. i believe in god. i own a gun. i love america. five point vet tho i never fought or even left the states. i am very curious. and do you guys ever think like "well he is a lib but a good one?"

[wdefromtx 3,159]

 

33 minutes ago, aubiefifty said:

well he is a lib but a good one?"

I think this about a lot of guys I know that are on the left. I don't have a problem at all with liberals it is the ones that are so blinded by their party to actually have a discussion to hear out the other side. I also feel the same way about extreme righties as well, and I have some relatives that are extremes on both sides. One of my favorite colleagues is a hardcore liberal (engineer in oil and gas so you know he's an exception to the rule) we can talk politics and actually find good sides to both and realize there is room for compromise.

 

I would say that I am more right winged sided at least fiscally, but also there things on the left I probably agree more with. I also think that both parties have played us all for fools for years and distrust both.

 

 

[gr82be 14,402]

3 hours ago, aubiefifty said:

can anyone tell me why they think libs are all evil without attacking or insulting people? just the facts. i promise to be nice to anyone that answers nicely. i want to know. i dislike abortion. i believe in god. i own a gun. i love america. five point vet tho i never fought or even left the states. i am very curious. and do you guys ever think like "well he is a lib but a good one?"

It's not a my way or the highway with me in regard to libs vs conservatives. I just don't like the extremes that either side can have. Evil is not the face of the person, it's the heart of the person. Labels are labels and I think too much can be made of it. It boils down to the heart being the literal heart of the matter. If I sense evil or see where something or someone is trying to lead people down a dark path I won't get sucked in. We have too many people on both sides totally consuming what the media is saying and they can't think for themselves. Thank God I had parents who loved me enough to teach me right from wrong and raise me going to church. The measure of a person is not in what they say but rather what they do. I'm not seeing anything on either side that excites me right now. I have voted against a presidential candidate more times than I have voted for one if you get my meaning. If I don't vote at all then it's the same as a vote for the person I don't want. I won't paint liberals with a broad brush if you won't paint conservatives with one either. I'm squarely on my side of the fence but my fence contains a gate to welcome others when we can come to an agreement and even a compromise if needed.  

[yngwie1995 2,227]

6 hours ago, aubiefifty said:

can anyone tell me why they think libs are all evil without attacking or insulting people? just the facts. i promise to be nice to anyone that answers nicely. i want to know. i dislike abortion. i believe in god. i own a gun. i love america. five point vet tho i never fought or even left the states. i am very curious. and do you guys ever think like "well he is a lib but a good one?"

Who ever said or implied "libs are all evil"?

I don't judge anyone based on political party. We can agree to disagree on things. But I've never said anything nasty or stopped being someone's friend over political views.

BTW, I'm right of center. But I probably hold more socially liberal positions than you'd imagine. Not every Conservative is the stereotype that I think you (liberals) think they are.

That said, more often than not, the left is nasty if you dare hold a differing opinion. Just look at the cancel culture going on. Have you ever seen that from the right? I've had liberal "friends" on Facebook say some ugly stuff, not in the heat of a discussion either, but more of random blanket statements...i.e. "to all my Conservative friends, **** you, you're racist" kind of way, as if your opinion doesn't matter. 

[SaltyTiger 7,764]

10 hours ago, aubiefifty said:

can anyone tell me why they think libs are all evil

Agree with @yngwie1995  100%. Why do you feel that "repubs or righties" think leftest are evil? 

 

[Texan4Auburn 1,626]

Like others said. Its the extremes that I dislike. Especially since I consider myself in the middle.

Like the guys on the left that if you don't agree with them you are a racist. Do I think black live matter, absolutely. Do I agree with the organization itself, absolutely not. But that makes me a racist by not liking the group not the message.

Or a guy at my old church that hated gay marriage. Gay marriage ruins the sanctity of marriage, but his girlfriend on the side doesn't ruin the sanctity of marriage? But cause I was cool with gay marriage I was some out of touch liberal or something lol. Can't remember what he called me but it wasn't nice.

Just cause someone listened to Body Count or NWA I don't automatically go cop killers! They hate all cops. Lol I knew a paramedic once who's jam was 911 is a Joke and dude was awesome at his job. Or just cause I listened to Prince's Head or Motley Crue's She Goes Down I was interested in recieving ora..............wait....that was exactly as those suggested forget that example.

[aubiefifty 16,705]

10 hours ago, SaltyTiger said:

Agree with @yngwie1995  100%. Why do you feel that "repubs or righties" think leftest are evil? 

 

because i hear it all the time. i am pretty sure i have heard it made as a blanket statement before on here.

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2 hours ago, aubiefifty said:

because i hear it all the time. i am pretty sure i have heard it made as a blanket statement before on here.

I think no matter what side you are on, I think we all take a defensive stance in our views. We are all extra vigilant to any sort of shade sent our way for our views.  We all, at some point, have been taken out of context, had our true thoughts dictated and redirected into a stances we never had. We've been  shamed and attacked, and seen others  who share our views get shamed or attacked and just drug through the mud. If we are honest, we all probably have taken part of doing this same thing to others, in turn, creating that same defensive stance we adapted to in someone else. Its a human nature thing I suppose.....

[aubiefifty 16,705]

1 minute ago, SaturdayGT said:

I think no matter what side you are on, I think we all take a defensive stance in our views.  We all, at some point, have been taken out of context, had our true thoughts dictated and redirected into a stances we never had. Weve been  shamed and attacked, and seen others  who share our views get shamed or attacked and just drug through the mud. If we are honest, we all probably have taken part of doing this same thing to others, in turn, creating that same defensive stance we adapted to in someone else. Its a human nature thing I suppose.....

recently of facebook some cat i barely know said something about robbing people just look for the ones with a biden sign in their front yard. i came right back and said not sure where you get your info about dems but anyone comes busting in my front door is going to get blown right back out. and i remarked that dems do in fact own guns and i did not know anyone who did not own one unless they could not afford it. but yes i remember the make america great again shoot a lib with gun sights centered in some cartoon persons face. i still get pissed about that. but maybe they handled it because i went to google it to show someone on here and it seems they removed them. i will never stand with americans killing each other.

[SaturdayGT 719]

3 minutes ago, aubiefifty said:

recently of facebook some cat i barely know said something about robbing people just look for the ones with a biden sign in their front yard. i came right back and said not sure where you get your info about dems but anyone comes busting in my front door is going to get blown right back out. and i remarked that dems do in fact own guns and i did not know anyone who did not own one unless they could not afford it. but yes i remember the make america great again shoot a lib with gun sights centered in some cartoon persons face. i still get pissed about that. but maybe they handled it because i went to google it to show someone on here and it seems they removed them. i will never stand with americans killing each other.

   It is sorta funny, seems like Theres a general sense ....Have a few left leaning ideas and your automatically anti-gun, anti-2nd amendment, socialist, communist etc.....have a few right leaning ideas and your racist, sexist homophobic and want the earth to be a wasteland of smog, soot and global warming.....Politics is a hell of a thing!

[homersapien 11,353]

13 hours ago, SaltyTiger said:

Agree with @yngwie1995  100%. Why do you feel that "repubs or righties" think leftest are evil? 

 

It's Rush Limbaugh's stock in trade and always has been.  He claims to have a very large following. 

And he's just one right wing radio host.

[DKW 86 7,410]

58 minutes ago, homersapien said:

It's Rush Limbaugh's stock in trade and always has been.  He claims to have a very large following. 

And he's just one right wing radio host.

DITTO (play on words intended).

Rushannity has forever damaged this country. For the sake of a buck, Right Wing Radio and Internet have been re-enforcing already held opinions AND magnifying them.
Some of the crap on the RW side of the aisle is just detestable. But some of their people are genuinely good, if not totally deceived. They want what is good for America, BUT they are hideously misguided. 

Evil Left? I dont know about Evil, but detestable? Sure. We all know one of those shrill Howler Monkey Liberals, just as we know the cro-magnon Rightie. If you are going to "discuss issues" with the population, quit calling them names 24-7-365. TALK TO THEM. In today's society, if you merely mention Trump or Republicans you are a MAGA Loving Racist, Sexist, Homophobe, Fascist and probably owned by the RRRUUUSSSSSSIIIAAANNNSSS!!!!!! 

I asked my friend on MSNBC why he was so perpetually hyperbolic all the time. We were rationally discussing the damage done in politics by the over the top hyperbole. Didnt he see that it was driving away the people that he needed to sway? He flat, and i mean flat footed as has ever been said on the planet earth said: "Hyperbole is my right!" I wished I was making that up. He pointed to "Alex Jones, Breitbart, FNC, etc" and said he had to counter them, someone had to counter them. And then what?

Then asked him how he was ever going to sway anyone if he started off name-calling? He did not care. Moving the political football did not matter anymore. We had reached the MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) part of the Story. The "I dont care what happens as long as THEY DONT WIN." 

This is why I am way past voting for the lesser of two evils. We have been there, done that for so long, who cares anymore. We cant keep treading water and hoping something is just miraculously going to happen. We have to stop,. think and quit being first tier thinkers and reactors. We have to be able to stop, examine both sides and chose the better plan, whomever has it.

[AUsince72 11,084]

On 6/17/2020 at 10:30 AM, aubiefifty said:

can anyone tell me why they think libs are all evil without attacking or insulting people? just the facts. i promise to be nice to anyone that answers nicely. i want to know. i dislike abortion. i believe in god. i own a gun. i love america. five point vet tho i never fought or even left the states. i am very curious. and do you guys ever think like "well he is a lib but a good one?"

Fiddy, you actually brought me to the politics board.

You're question is actually structured in a way that is doing the same as you're accusing.  You're making a generalized prejudiced assumption, just like you are accusing "righties" of doing.  That is the problem with American politics today and the direction the country is heading unfortunately.  There's no middle ground,  and more importantly, very little (if any) forgiveness anymore.

It is not my intent to be controversial with my post but over the last 11-1/2 years it's gone beyond differing beliefs of the two parties/philosophies that, for much of history, has had many policies able to be bridged with compromise.  Though there are clearly many black & white *not race* differences as well (ie: abortion) typically we've all just been people who wanted to live in peace & get along and the racists & hate groups were the fringes of society. 

However, in the last 3+ years, the (extreme left of the) Democrat party & 95+% of the "media" (formerly "the press"...indicating impartial reporting) which is mostly now just editorial opinion,  of the US of A has totally morphed into a Total Left way of thinking, which is forcing moderate Dems to have to make a choice and moderate Republicans to shift further right as well, because of the militancy of this new approach.

I'm obviously a Christian and a conservative.  However, I used to be much more moderate in my thinking.  I saw plenty of value in the beliefs of the Democrat party and was sometimes open to voting for Dems who had a moderate way of thinking.  Can't do that anymore.  There IS no moderate way of thinking anymore.

It's not that I think "all Dems are evil".  It's just that it seems more & more each day that "all" Dems think I'M evil.  I see stories of the left calling us fascists, racists, privileged.   In situations of racial, gender or even LGBTQ politics, so often even if someone (like me.... a middle aged, white Male with a southern drawl) were to show support, they are often told "you can't understand because you live in white privilege", etc.  "So.....I guess you don't want my support?  Okay then."  Again, forcing them further right.

The ultimate problem, in my estimation, is not as much the policy, or beliefs themselves, as the hatred & militancy of what's becoming of the (extreme) left.  And I realize my post won't be received well by many Liberals (though I'm referring to the extreme).  It's okay to disagree.....or at least USED to be.  However with this new "Cancel Culture" the 1st Amendment is under attack and it's the right, not the left, being dismissed.  There's perfect examples in this very board (even the football board) where I see conservatives attacked and called names for their beliefs and later seeing them apologize and meekly forced to cave to Mob Rule.

And lastly, the ignorance of history and the creation of new, revisionist history is becoming prevalent.  Used to be a saying "those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it".  That's never more obvious than in today's culture.  Hearing/reading Dems (at least the far left) calling conservatives "fascists" is almost funny if it weren't so scary.  I'm sure there's plenty threads comparing us to Nazi's and Trump is Hitler.  However....

Who are the one's doing to most prevalent bullying & threatening of those who have differing views today?  The Extreme Left.  MeeToo, BLM and it's related anti-semitic group, Antifa, etc = Hitler's Brown Shirts (and later the SS) not ring a bell?

Who are the one's forcing the removal of TV shows about cops & forcing Elmer Fudd......A CARTOON..... off the air because he carried a shotgun, etc?   The Extreme Left.  Burning books, records, art in the third reich not ring a bell?

Who are the one's fueling propaganda and subversively forcing their beliefs onto unsuspecting children in our schools and openly through commercials & entertainment etc?  The Extreme Left.  Joseph Goebbels, the nazi propaganda minister not ring a bell?

Who are the one's fueling the fight against our 2nd Amendment?   The Extreme Left.  The confiscation of firearms and arresting/killing of those who did not comply in nazi Germany's early days not ring a bell?

Now, I'm not stating these things to call anyone on this board anything.   I'm merely doing it in hope's that those who hate conservatives, and call US these names will simply look in the mirror and realize they don't stand on pure & clean ideals.  As Jesus Christ Himself said "He who is without sin, cast the first stone."

Instead of continuing to perpetrate the continued divisiveness, how about each side contemplating their own sins and try reaching across the aisle?

This country is falling apart because nobody will take the first step. 

[homersapien 11,353]

Rush, is that you? 

 

[AUsince72 11,084]

12 minutes ago, homersapien said:

Rush, is that you? 

 

Nobody will admit their own faults so nobody can have an honest conversation.

That's the whole point.  Instead if honest reflection and trying to find common ground, just call me a name.

[SaltyTiger 7,764]

6 hours ago, aubiefifty said:

because i hear it all the time. i am pretty sure i have heard it made as a blanket statement before on here.

You must choose to hear it all the time. I think and understand that "social media" brings out the worst in people. This board is the closest I come regarding social media. It stays fairly clean but I do not doubt you read a statement regarding "evil leftist". Pretty certain it has been inferred that I am one or all of the "ist" at one time or another.  

[wdefromtx 3,159]

8 minutes ago, AUsince72 said:

Nobody will admit their own faults so nobody can have an honest conversation.

That's the whole point.  Instead if honest reflection and trying to find common ground, just call me a name.

That’s his M.O., and the best response he can muster up when someone tries to engage intellectual conversation with him. 

[homersapien 11,353]

27 minutes ago, AUsince72 said:

Nobody will admit their own faults so nobody can have an honest conversation.

That's the whole point.  Instead if honest reflection and trying to find common ground, just call me a name.

So much of your post sounded exactly like Rush Limbaugh.

I doubt I can have an honest conversation with someone who makes such hyperbolic generalizations about liberal people, or "the left" as you call them.

But I am willing to try.  So if you want to pick a topic, have at it.

How about this:

Who are the one's fueling propaganda and subversively forcing their beliefs onto unsuspecting children in our schools and openly through commercials & entertainment etc?  The Left.  Joseph Goebbels, the nazi propaganda minister not ring a bell?

Or this:

Who are the one's fueling the fight against our 2nd Amendment?   The Left.  The confiscation of firearms and arresting/killing of those who did not comply in nazi Germany's early days not ring a bell?

 

[SaltyTiger 7,764]

26 minutes ago, homersapien said:

Rush, is that you? 

 

What is your obsession with Limbaugh today? No BS Salon articles about Trump to copy and paste?

[homersapien 11,353]

18 minutes ago, wdefromtx said:

That’s his M.O., and the best response he can muster up when someone tries to engage intellectual conversation with him. 

BS

You have never tried to engage intellectual conversation with me.  Never.

 

[homersapien 11,353]

2 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said:

What is your obsession with Limbaugh today? No BS Salon articles about Trump to copy and paste?

I went into town yesterday and caught about 10 minutes of him.  Was curious if he's changed tone even slightly.  

It was "Democrats hate freedom.  Democrats hate capitalism.  Democrats hate you.  Democrats hate God...."  He didn't even bother to say liberals, it was always "Democrats".  (Supposedly because it's an election year.)

You should tune Rush in occasionally Brother Salty.  You might learn a little about the state of modern politics in this country and the people who are presumably speaking for you.

(And there's always something about Trump to paste, regardless of source. He's just that prolific with his tweets and statements.)

[AUsince72 11,084]

7 minutes ago, homersapien said:

So much of your post sounded exactly like Rush Limbaugh.

I don't think I can have an honest conversation with someone who makes such generalizations about liberal people.

But I am willing.  So if you want to pick a topic, have at it.

How about this:

Who are the one's fueling propaganda and subversively forcing their beliefs onto unsuspecting children in our schools and openly through commercials & entertainment etc?  The Left.  Joseph Goebbels, the nazi propaganda minister not ring a bell?

Or this:

Who are the one's fueling the fight against our 2nd Amendment?   The Left.  The confiscation of firearms and arresting/killing of those who did not comply in nazi Germany's early days not ring a bell?

 

I don't listen to him but I know who he is and people's thoughts on him.  I don't think it was a compliment so... Okay, not a name?

I've spoken the truth in the two statements you cut out.  You can deny it but it doesn't make you correct.  There's myriad examples.  I have one with my own child being taught the virtues of Rowe vs Wade....in 4th GRADE, last year.  NOT the time to be discussing such issues regardless of your position on it.  Yes, we were furious, as were many other parents.  I'm sure you and others on this forum have posted many, many critiques of those of us on the right, picking the most extreme positions.  I won't necessarily deny your wrong, depending on the example.  Again, if BOTH sides could admit their faults, then perhaps healing could begin between the two.

Now, please understand, and I admit it probably wasn't clear.  I'm not referring to all Liberals in general.  Just like when you point out the extreme (or alt) right you're not referring to all Conservatives....or maybe you are?

Rather "The Left"...as in The Squad or George Soros, antifa & those Cancel Culture "get somebody fired because they Liked a Tweet" left.  I suspect you don't consider yourself like that do you?

I would hope you don't consider all Conservatives "The Right" or members of the KKK or white supremacists? 

The Left & The Right seem to be what we call the extremes now.  Perhaps I misunderstand.  I'm certainly not above fault.

My OP and even this follow-up is in direct response to fifty's original question about lumping everyone into extreme groups instead of seeing people's hearts and understanding there are all kinds of belief systems that can coexist with simple patience, understanding and compromise.

[aubiefifty 16,705]

well so much for the name calling. yes i see crap from both sides. just because i hate dems are evil does not mean i do not see how nice folks on the right get it as well. i see the dems are evil every single day on facebook.and some are supposed friends. i see racists. i see one guy makes vague threats to the left every single time something comes up. tik tok..it is coming and i cannot wait. people want to kill folks or claim they do over opinions. we can do better.

[AUsince72 11,084]

9 minutes ago, aubiefifty said:

well so much for the name calling. yes i see crap from both sides. just because i hate dems are evil does not mean i do not see how nice folks on the right get it as well. i see the dems are evil every single day on facebook.and some are supposed friends. i see racists. i see one guy makes vague threats to the left every single time something comes up. tik tok..it is coming and i cannot wait. people want to kill folks or claim they do over opinions. we can do better.

You're concept is not wrong brother.  The only issue I took is that it truly does go both ways.

Neither side in this current political climate is truly virtuous.  And, unfortunately, many decent people are being "cancelled out" because they practice their 1st Amendment rights.

As you said, friends are disbanding, families are separating, good people are being targeted because of their beliefs and I'm not seeing a light at the end of the tunnel.

There is no more right & wrong.  Only what makes me feel good.....regardless of who it hurts.  Again, you're absolutely right....but please honestly look at it as it goes both ways.

[AUsince72 11,084]

BTW.... What is the difference between the politics forum and the political smack talk forum?  I see no difference in the subjects nor the posts/conversations.