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People Who Voted For Trump In 2016 Are Revealing Their "Breaking Point" Moment When They Stopped Supporting Him

"You literally can’t trust anything he says. It could be blatant lies and he wouldn’t care at all."

 

Stephen LaConte

 
 

Yesterday, a Reddit thread posed a question to the internet: "Republicans who will not be voting for Donald Trump this time around, what was the breaking point for you?"

 

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The post quickly went viral, as thousands of self-described former Trump voters shared the moment they realized they no longer could support the POTUS.

 

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Here are some of the top-voted responses from the thread:

 

1. "In 2016 when he demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt that he completely lacked any moral fabric by attempting to disparage McCain's military record because he was captured."

 

2. "Mandating all of his Secret Service escort to stay at his resorts and pay for high-end rooms, with our tax dollars."

throwaway-person

 

3. "If I had to pick one thing that was truly eye-opening for me, it was the worsening of the kids in cages thing."

PeaceInExile

 

4. "Name-dropping George ******* Floyd while talking about economic growth."

 

5. "When I realized his words had no meaning. You literally can’t trust anything he says. It could be blatant lies and he wouldn’t care at all. It’s dangerous."

WelcometoHale

 

6. "When I realized I'm an independent thinker and don't have to support everything my parents do."

AustinTheWeird

 

7. "When he gassed a bunch of innocent protesters with tear gas to get a picture of him holding a bible."

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8. "Stripping wildlife and environmental protections."

GPQ70

 

9. "Comparing his coronavirus briefing ratings to The Bachelor."

hominidnumber9

 

10. "[When he said,] 'Suppose we hit the body with a tremendous light.'"

 

After hearing presentation President Trump suggests irradiating people's bodies with UV light or injecting them with bleach or alcohol to deal with COVID19.

 
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Mjbass

 

11. "The final blow? His handling of the coronavirus. Putting states at odds with each other and the feds over medical supplies? Why can't we know where the $500 billion [bailout for corporations] was allocated? What businesses?"

mentaltease

 

12. "Bailing out undeserving businesses instead of the real, hard-working Americans affected by the pandemic."

andhowareyou

 

13. "Recently when he threatened to shoot looters. (I don't support the looting, it's just that the punishment shouldn't be death.) Also when he said that the 75-year-old man who was pushed down was actually ANTIFA."

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I can’t stand back & watch this happen to a great American City, Minneapolis. A total lack of leadership. Either the very weak Radical Left Mayor, Jacob Frey, get his act together and bring the City under control, or I will send in the National Guard & get the job done right.....

 

....These THUGS are dishonoring the memory of George Floyd, and I won’t let that happen. Just spoke to Governor Tim Walz and told him that the Military is with him all the way. Any difficulty and we will assume control but, when the looting starts, the shooting starts. Thank you!

 
 
 
 
 

14. "When he tweeted about a fake Russian propaganda bull**** article about how the old man that got pushed over by the cops and in the hospital for a week was a spy [for ANTIFA]. Can't even believe how stupid Trump is, can't believe that people still support him."

 

Buffalo protester shoved by Police could be an ANTIFA provocateur. 75 year old Martin Gugino was pushed away after appearing to scan police communications in order to black out the equipment. @OANN I watched, he fell harder than was pushed. Was aiming scanner. Could be a set up?

 
 
 
 
 

15. "When he had so many people removed from their jobs in his 'team' because they came out and said something he didn't agree with. No one expects the president to know everything, you are supposed to find the best people to get you the information needed."

JP5683

 

16. "The [rally] where he talked about how he hates windmills, and I believe he said he knows more about wind than anybody. Then did a bit about not being able to watch TV because it’s not a windy day. That was when I became embarrassed about my vote and started to regret it. It only got worse after that."

 

President Trump criticizes windmills again in speech on energy:

"All of a sudden it stops, the wind and the televisions go off, and your wives and husbands say, 'Darling, I want to watch Donald Trump on television tonight, but the wind stopped blowing" https://abcn.ws/2J0gebC 

 
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17. "TBH I was never a Trump supporter, but I had felt that the guy was not as bad as the media portrayed him and was somewhat redeemable. Then he betrayed the Kurds. Those people fought and died alongside US soldiers, and Trump just stepped aside and let them be slaughtered so he wouldn’t offend Turkey. I can tolerate an immature a**hole. I cannot tolerate a traitor."

thatguymike123

 

18. "2020. It's literally making me miss Obama (who I really opposed on a policy level). The grace and kindness he displayed is oh so necessary right now, and it's nowhere to be found in the current administration."

AdmirablePassage

 

19. "I supported him in 2016 fully. Slowly started saying things like 'He’s good but immature,' which turned into 'He just needs to keep his mouth shut then he’ll be fine,' which turned into 'I like his policies but not quite him'...and so on and so on. I’m not really sure when I went from liking him to not, but I can now say I want him out, and regret ever giving him my support."

 

20. "The childish name-calling of everyone he doesn't like. A grown up, and especially the president, should not act like that. I can also do without constantly hearing him talk about how great he is in third person."

Earthicus

 

21. "It was a tough point of time in my life, and the idea of MAGA swept me off my feet and made me vote for him. Since then, though, America has been made anything other than great: He has just made things better for himself and worse for every other American."

 

22. "The way he talks to world leaders is an embarrassment to our whole country. Some people are just too dense to see it."

Neo_F150

 

23. "It took me less than six months after he was inaugurated before I realized I made a huge mistake in voting for Trump. Just the way he handled himself, the people around him, those different from him, and his immediate lying made me realize that he is not mentally well."

theycallmenaptime

 

24. "My breaking point was the tweets to Michigan and Virginia [in which he falsely claimed that their governors] were coming for their guns. You simply shouldn’t purposefully turn your own citizens against each other. That really scared me."

 

LIBERATE VIRGINIA, and save your great 2nd Amendment. It is under siege!

 
 
 
 
 

And finally, there was this former Trump supporter who simply said...

 

25. "**Broadly gestures at everything.**"

 

Note: Some responses have been edited for length and/or clarity.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/stephenlaconte/trump-supporters-breaking-point-regrets-reddit?fbclid=IwAR0SlK6ijiH4MniwWmf1FqL0iOitOwnD2WuhBX1NZpHUUrmLikzqdYx4dvA

 

Link to the full Reddit thread:  


 

 

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All that sounds impressive until you realize that the alternative will be Biden. I was an unenthusiastic Trump voter in 2016 and I'll be voting for him again. His policies have been fine with me.  When re-elected, he'll get to appoint another round of federal judges and that's a good thing. He should stay off the tweets, but when considering what will happen to this country under a Biden administration, Trump looks pretty good.

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4 minutes ago, Mikey said:

All that sounds impressive until you realize that the alternative will be Biden. I was an unenthusiastic Trump voter in 2016 and I'll be voting for him again. His policies have been fine with me.  When re-elected, he'll get to appoint another round of federal judges and that's a good thing. He should stay off the tweets, but when considering what will happen to this country under a Biden administration, Trump looks pretty good.

One of those 30% for which there will never be a line.

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Just now, AUDub said:

One of those 30% for which there will never be a line.

There could be a line. You Dems put forth a Harry Truman or JFK type and you can win my vote. Ashamed to say I was even tricked into voting for Obama the first time. So, give me a better candidate or trick me into thinking you have a better candidate and I'll vote Dem. But clearly, Biden ain't the one.

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18 minutes ago, Mikey said:

There could be a line. You Dems put forth a Harry Truman or JFK type and you can win my vote. Ashamed to say I was even tricked into voting for Obama the first time. So, give me a better candidate or trick me into thinking you have a better candidate and I'll vote Dem. But clearly, Biden ain't the one.

Yeah, don't bull**** me. 

Trump could be performing abortions in the middle of Fifth Avenue while smoking crack and screaming "Hail Satan!" and you'd find someway to rationalize how Biden is worse to justify your vote. 

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2 minutes ago, AUDub said:

Yeah, don't bull**** me. 

Trump could be performing abortions in the middle of Fifth Avenue while smoking crack and screaming "Hail Satan!" and you'd find someway to rationalize how Biden is worse to justify your vote. 

Biden would still be worse for this nation, that's why I would still choose Trump over him.

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7 minutes ago, Mikey said:

?..that's why I would still choose Trump over him.

And there's nothing Trump could do to change that lol. "Sure he aborts babies while smoking crack and worshipping Satan, but why aren't you thinking of the judges? Biden is no JFK or Truman."

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2 hours ago, Mikey said:

All that sounds impressive until you realize that the alternative will be Biden. I was an unenthusiastic Trump voter in 2016 and I'll be voting for him again. His policies have been fine with me.  When re-elected, he'll get to appoint another round of federal judges and that's a good thing. He should stay off the tweets, but when considering what will happen to this country under a Biden administration, Trump looks pretty good.

If the Dems take the Senate, of which there is a real possibility of happening, how do you expect Trump to appoint judges he actually wants if he were to win re-election?

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1 hour ago, AUDub said:

Yeah, don't bull**** me. 

Trump could be performing abortions in the middle of Fifth Avenue while smoking crack and screaming "Hail Satan!" and you'd find someway to rationalize how Biden is worse to justify your vote. 

People said the same thing about Obama, and it was just as true.

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Okay, I lied in the other thread.  I have admitted I'm a sinner with faults, afterall.

I have one more post in Politics to make as this OP is probably my biggest political pet peeve right now.  I don't know where TT stands but as for "Trump supporters not voting for him in 2020"....

My post here is aimed at anyone who considers themselves remotely conservative as a coming from a Liberal this talk is expected.

I don't like a lot of Donald Trump's words either.  I think it's embarrassing how much influence Twitter has over supposedly grown up, adult politicians (on both sides of the aisle) and he's an enormous offender.  But..... that's the world we live in so get used to it.

I admit, too, that he also has done some boneheaded things and things I totally disagree with but a lot of these things....why are you just blindly taking these things at the face-value that a Liberal media presents?

Anybody who cares to try to find objective news that keeps things in the proper context knows that a lot of these "evils" he supposedly commits are taken out of context & some are simply untruths.  Why do you not also take into account the good he's done for conservative policies, trade, bringing mfg jobs back from overseas, unemployment improvements (for minorities & in general), etc. ....the covid-silliness not withstanding.

Now, if the other candidate were simply Joe Biden, circa 4-8-12 years ago, with politics being what were "way back then" then okay...it is what it is.  But in 2020, with a country gone insane? 

Before you make such a decision to not vote for Trump.  Please note Biden's running mate first.  He's already admitted they have to be ready to be president "from day one".  He definitely ain't lasting 4 years.  He's simply the most "moderate" face the DNC can find in hopes of getting the necessary votes in order to slide the uber leftist VP that they're pushing for into the white house.

And to address Brad's question above, if both the House & Senate are liberal with a leftist president, then a few constitutional amendments will be in serious jeopardy.  

Again, this is for conservatives.  Don't just think "Trump".  Think about the alternative, hold your nose, turn your head and place your vote but please don't let downtown Seattle happen to the rest of the country.

But the beauty is, I'm merely making a suggestion.  You have freedom to choose.....for now.

Okay, thanks for indulging me.  I'm officially out now.

God bless!

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I don't get the hate for Biden, especially when compared to the alternative.

No one offers specific reasons.  It's always just some form of inchoate dread. Over what?

It's not just health or mental acuity.  He's better than Trump on both.

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3 hours ago, yngwie1995 said:

People said the same thing about Obama, and it was just as true.

Ah, the whataboutism defense rears its head.

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5 hours ago, Mikey said:

There could be a line. 

4 hours ago, Mikey said:

Biden would still be worse for this nation (even if Trump performed abortions in public while smoking crack and yelling "Hail Satan!"), that's why I would still choose Trump over him.

 

So the line is about 3 centimeters this side of the gates of Hell.  Good to know.

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1 hour ago, homersapien said:

I don't get the hate for Biden, especially when compared to the alternative.

No one offers specific reasons.  It's always just some form of inchoate dread. Over what?

It's not just health or mental acuity.  He's better than Trump on both.

Because he’s on the opposite team. 

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1 hour ago, homersapien said:

I don't get the hate for Biden, especially when compared to the alternative.

No one offers specific reasons.  It's always just some form of inchoate dread. Over what?

It's not just health or mental acuity.  He's better than Trump on both.

Homes...I think the concern is that he'll be a puppet for someone with a vision to promote what 72 describes...or worse, absent due to incapacity. It's all conjecture. Too much from both sides is, actually. 

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23 minutes ago, ToraGirl said:

Homes...I think the concern is that he'll be a puppet for someone with a vision to promote what 72 describes...or worse, absent due to incapacity. It's all conjecture. Too much from both sides is, actually. 

Ahhh, the George Soros excuse?  :rolleyes:

I see nothing about him or his past that suggests he would be a "puppet" for anyone.  As for instituting the "vision 72 describes" (as you put it) and assuming I understand what you mean - I think that's absurd. 

Biden - like Obama - is in no way radical.  In fact, my fear is he's not radical enough. I wouldn't mind Elizabeth Warren as VP.  This country needs to start chipping away the oligarchy we have and re-create the middle class.

I am confident Biden will appoint better people than Trump has done to run his administration and I am confident his administration will be far more stable than what we are witnessing now. (How could it not be?)

He wasn't my first choice but he'll be a hell of lot better than Trump.  In every way.

 

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3 hours ago, homersapien said:

Ahhh, the George Soros excuse?  :rolleyes:

I see nothing about him or his past that suggests he would be a "puppet" for anyone.  As for instituting the "vision 72 describes" (as you put it) and assuming I understand what you mean - I think that's absurd. 

Biden - like Obama - is in no way radical.  In fact, my fear is he's not radical enough. I wouldn't mind Elizabeth Warren as VP.  This country needs to start chipping away the oligarchy we have and re-create the middle class.

I am confident Biden will appoint better people than Trump has done to run his administration and I am confident his administration will be far more stable than what we are witnessing now. (How could it not be?)

He wasn't my first choice but he'll be a hell of lot better than Trump.  In every way.

 

I was trying not to say, but now I will, that he might not last long enough, Homes. It's not about Biden because it's not about Biden. You asked what problem with Biden is. Little, for many "more conservatives", except possible longevity. Capische? That's the short answer. But here's more.

There is a conservative point/counterpoint for every liberal point/counterpoint.  Article too. Not enough time, interest, or bandwidth on this site to post them. I'm somewhere in the middle, so I don't really have a horse in the race, but I completely get 72. I lean that way, too, obviously. It's genuinely about deeper worldview...all else, to me, is subset and symptomatic of the bigger pic...but no less deserving of sympathy, empathy, and advocacy where possible. We just each as humans approach it with different rationale, actions, and demeanor.

Recap as I see it from the other thread: Fifty asked for a conservative's opinion. It was given, and the messenger, not simply the message, was attacked by a few other than Fifty, whom he was answering. Any who know 72 off this board know how well-rounded, encouraging, genuine, lighthearted, and amenable he is, personally. He's undergoing the trial of his life like a champ, putting a lot of lesser things to shame, and he's facing daily what many won't admit to being terrified to imagine, but we all will. Some apparently don't prefer his more serious side, so that's on them to wrestle. As he said,  he/we wandered here because of current football topic lack. [I mean, I've thought of doing a "Political Lookalikes" thread, but it wouldn't be as light, ya know? TOO MUCH is a life or death controversy here.]  It would be one thing if people could answer one another's questions, assuming a responder could discern the genuine interest from the traps, but the purpose too often becomes to hijack to prove a point, not to listen. It is genuinely possible NOT to bite on a thread and to "Smh" or "ROFLMFoolHO" 🤪😂🙄 without any spoken rebuttal. We can disapprove of the idea without disrespecting the person...but we are too prone to lump them...that's the point to which much discourse has DEvolved.

Every candidate any of us would love would be vilified in some way by another poster, even if we all agree "anyone" would be better than President Trump. We would do so based upon our own opinions as well as the 24/7 news and social media cycle that feed us all sorts of things many might likely never preferred to know.  I'm neither exonerating nor blaming him, because as others have wisely said, this divide started LONG before he, the Clintons, and all of the other "back-in-the-day-up-and-comings" were posing for photo ops together. Its genesis was Eden.

P.S. YOU said Soros. I'll pass except for the pics. 😉 ("EXCUSE" can be interpreted as a barb, too...but I understand your meaning beyond the terminology.) But I do look forward to learning more deeply about the Civil War, and I'm coming straight to you if I get befuddled by your kind and appreciated resources, because one can never know history well enough. 

P.P.S. Now all that said, people DO need a place to vent, and there's plenty to vent about from all directions. We are together living through the most horrendous challenges we've seen in a long time.  I'm really, really truly grieving the state of society, our country, our world as we grapple with fears, loss, financial concern, health, family, the future.  It's been one 2020 whammy after another, and I hate it for all of us, except for the pockets of good that are genuinely there. I know I'm Pollyanna for the most part, but I just want to believe that the small daily things we EACH do that no one ever knows about really do make a difference. The small, faithful things matter more than we know. If you look at some of the threads in All Things Considered for example, there is a real effort to keep to and document the moments of beauty and greatness that are still there even when things seem the darkest---lots posting great things about a wide variety of topics.  I don't know how it's going to be accomplished, but trying to find the things that unite us where we can are going to be part of the solution.  

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I think something the left needs to come to grips with is something most conservatives have done for some time. The Dem DC establishment is in it for themselves just like the GOP DC establishment. Slowly but surely conservatives are removing them and it takes time. The establishment will throw bones for you Dems to chew on which is how they get and keep their power. Most of them have been there for decades performing the same slight of hand.

It is no coincidence that the DC establishment on both sides, in place for decades, is fighting Trump. It has nothing to do with crumbs like Trump says "mean things" either. He is a danger to them, the uni-party. I will be voting on the big issues like border security, getting American manufacturing back from overseas, keeping jobs in America, creating more jobs, a strong military, constitutionally sound federal judges and protecting American sovereignty. It's not even a close call to me. Trump gets my vote, again.

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I was in no way attacking 72 as a person.  I was simply responding to his post.  And I did so in good faith. In fact, I wasn't even looking for a debate.  I was ready to leave it after I jokingly referred to it as something Rush Limbaugh would say.

I respond to posts, not the person, whom I don't know at any rate.  (The only exceptions to that rule are the people I have put on ignore.  In those cases, their posts have shown a consistent problem with temperament, style (insults) or ethics (lying) indicating they are someone I don't care to interact with.) 

I certainly don't feel that way about 72, but I don't feel bad about the responses I made to his post. I have no reason to think he's not a wonderful person and I will take your word that he is, but if you participate on the political form, all that really matters is what you post. 

This is a place to express your opinion on political issues and to respond to other's opinions, period.  That's exactly what I did with 72. I responded to his political opinions and I did so in good faith.  I didn't remark on his character, I responded to his post.   

This is an important place for me to vent my frustration and voice objections to political positions I find repellent. For me, it's a way of weighing in on specific political issues instead of simply being totally passive and not resisting.

As you said, we have other forums for developing relationships if that's your objective.

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21 minutes ago, homersapien said:

I was in no way attacking 72 as a person.  I was simply responding to his post.  And I did so in good faith. In fact, I wasn't even looking for a debate.  I was ready to leave it after I jokingly referred to it as something Rush Limbaugh would say.

I respond to posts, not the person, whom I don't know at any rate.  (The only exceptions to that rule are the people I have put on ignore.  In those cases, their posts have shown a consistent problem with temperament, style (insults) or ethics (lying) indicating they are someone I don't care to interact with.) 

I certainly don't feel that way about 72, but I don't feel bad about the responses I made to his post. I have no reason to think he's not a wonderful person and I will take your word that he is, but if you participate on the political form, all that really matters is what you post. 

This is a place to express your opinion on political issues and to respond to other's opinions, period.  That's exactly what I did with 72. I responded to his political opinions and I did so in good faith.  I didn't remark on his character, I responded to his post.   

This is an important place for me to vent my frustration and voice objections to political positions I find repellent. For me, it's a way of weighing in on specific political issues instead of simply being totally passive and not resisting.

As you said, we have other forums for developing relationships if that's your objective.

Thanks, Homer. It does help to know how specific posters perceive various boards. It's just that...would you not agree...even the Politics forum is so broadly saturated with cultural issues now that it goes way beyond politics? It really seems very intertwined. 

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2 hours ago, IronMan70 said:

I think something the left needs to come to grips with is something most conservatives have done for some time. The Dem DC establishment is in it for themselves just like the GOP DC establishment. Slowly but surely conservatives are removing them and it takes time. The establishment will throw bones for you Dems to chew on which is how they get and keep their power. Most of them have been there for decades performing the same slight of hand.

It is no coincidence that the DC establishment on both sides, in place for decades, is fighting Trump. It has nothing to do with crumbs like Trump says "mean things" either. He is a danger to them, the uni-party. I will be voting on the big issues like border security, getting American manufacturing back from overseas, keeping jobs in America, creating more jobs, a strong military, constitutionally sound federal judges and protecting American sovereignty. It's not even a close call to me. Trump gets my vote, again.

This childlike faith that Trump is "draining the swamp" is precious.

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10 hours ago, AUsince72 said:

And to address Brad's question above, if both the House & Senate are liberal with a leftist president, then a few constitutional amendments will be in serious jeopardy.  

 

You uh, you don't understand how changing the Constitution works, do you?

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34 minutes ago, Brad_ATX said:

You uh, you don't understand how changing the Constitution works, do you?

******* Amendments! How do they work?

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12 hours ago, Brad_ATX said:

If the Dems take the Senate, of which there is a real possibility of happening,

Quite the optimist, aren't you? After the Pubbies hold the Senate, re-take the House and President Trump gets four more years the job of securing the federal bench will be nearly done.

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