if race does not matter

[bigbird 60,359]

6 minutes ago, wdefromtx said:

There's a lot of things in society that we could lump into the racism (I guess technically you could call it reverse racism) bucket. Things that if a white person did, people would be crawling out of the woodworks to flag it as racism. 

I've never subscribed to the phrase "reverse racism". If we, as a society, are to strive for equality, then we need to see discrimination equally as well. Either way, none of it should be stood for by any viewpoint.

[bigbird 60,359]

6 minutes ago, AUDub said:

No it's probably still necessary. While not as overt as it once was, the lingering effects of systemic racism are still with us. While the de jure system was effectively eradicated during the Civil Rights Movement, many de facto forms are still with us. Think the mess we made with things like redlining and had no inertia and disappeared when we made such practices illegal? I invite you to look at any racial demographic map of a major city here in the USA, and then compare relative wealth. 

While I agree there are examples still around, there are many that have been done away with. Do you think in today's society that there'd be a reversion based on race in  hiring practices, housing, or education? I think that many of the items put in place by AA have, for the most part, leveled out. JMO

[wdefromtx 3,159]

4 minutes ago, bigbird said:

I've never subscribed to the phrase "reverse racism". If we, as a society, are to strive for equality, then we need to see discrimination equally as well. Either way, none of it should be stood for by any viewpoint.

I agree, I use the term more as a representation for the ones that can't or won't realize that racism happens in all directions. You are right though, none of it should be stood for.

[AUDub 11,113]

10 minutes ago, bigbird said:

While I agree there are examples still around, there are many that have been done away with. Do you think in today's society that there'd be a reversion based on race in  hiring practices, housing, or education?

In places where AA has been effectively eliminated, the result has been some degree of regression. 

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I think that many of the items put in place by AA have, for the most part, leveled out. JMO

I don't think we're level at this point. I think @savorytiger's query, for which I'm crafting my response now, is intriguing. "At what point is it enough?"

But to summarize, I think AA still has its place.

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1 minute ago, AUDub said:

But to summarize, I think AA still has its place.

In it's original form? 

I'm not saying it doesn't have a place, just that it might not need to be a universally implemented. It might be time that it's looked at and adjusted to the current climate and new societal expectations.

[SaturdayGT 719]

On 6/23/2020 at 10:26 AM, metafour said:

Mhmmmmmmm

 

 

    If I remember correct, when the Soviet Union took over all those countries, they used a divide and conquer method in many cases, causing havoc within to weaken countries. If one can believe they can meddle in our electoral processes, why would meddling in, or exacerbating our racial divide to weaken us be so dismissable?

[AUDub 11,113]

9 hours ago, SaturdayGT said:

    If I remember correct, when the Soviet Union took over all those countries, they used a divide and conquer method in many cases, causing havoc within to weaken countries. If one can believe they can meddle in our electoral processes, why would meddling in, or exacerbating our racial divide to weaken us be so dismissable?

The soviet bloc generally stemmed from the outright threat of military force rather than subversion. 

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40 minutes ago, AUDub said:

The soviet bloc generally stemmed from the outright threat of military force rather than subversion. 

^^This^^

[SaturdayGT 719]

On 6/23/2020 at 10:26 AM, metafour said:

So what is the concept of divide and conquer and who came up with it?....Why is the train of thought in the video not a possibility? ...here's another sort of  example......

 

"This is a piece that I wrote in the middle of the night last night as I ached with agony, just before deciding to leave FB.  As is usual for me, it’s too long, and I doubted many would read it.  I wrote it really for myself, to figure this mess out.  I thought I’d post it anyway this morning, and now I’m signing off.  Here it is:

In the 1960’s a man named Mao Tse Tung told young people in China that the nation had suffered because of the “rich landowners,” the “bourgeois capitalists.”  Those words were used to put a target on the back of any who owned anything.  Literally.  If they were prospering, and you were poor, then it was unfair and action was required.  He organized the youth into groups called the Red Guards to bring about social justice.  They were empowered to take any action they wanted against the the adults around them.  So they destroyed or stole their property and put them on public platforms to be beaten with sticks.  They created a humiliating punishment called “the airplane” in which the tortured soul’s arms were pulled straight behind the body like swept jet wings, and then they took clippers and cut their hair off to the scalp with a viciousness that left the victim bloodied.

The wrath spread to any that the mob wanted to target.  So not surprisingly, they also beat their own teachers and destroyed schools.  Anyone of influence was viewed as a threat to the new social order and purged.  Religious and cultural relics were destroyed.  All of this was part of the plan to destroy the “Four Olds” - old ideas, old customs, old culture and old habits.  Society collapsed from the chaos and pain, all carried out in the name of socio-economic purification.  It had to be done.  Mao smiled approvingly, cementing his power via these young agents of terror.  

This Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution that began in 1966 ultimately resulted in an estimated 1.5 million deaths and banishment of 20 million more (to rural areas and poverty).  In the end, the people of China were left powerless and the state grew into the all-powerful communist regime that we know today, the one that “disappears” journalists, doctors, professors, ethnic and religious minorities, and anyone else who exercises unapproved speech.

And the poor are still poor.

And here we are in the USA in 2020, with mobs ravaging business owners.  Somewhere along the way in years past the voices of insurrection found and collected disenfranchised youths and whispered in their collective ears in a way that would make Mao smile.  They heard the message of unfairness, of social injustice, and it resonated to them.  Their anger was built to an explosive level.  And then a sudden spark, the catalyst that the fathers of anarchy had been waiting for.  This, they tell them, is the time.  Go out and inflict pain to achieve justice.  Tear down and destroy.  Loot and burn.  Make the privileged kneel and confess their sins.  Do it with a righteous vengeance to any who have more than you or who dare to defy your power.  Tear down symbols of the past.  Enforce limits on speech.  A new day has come.  You, the youth of America, are the key.  And so they have.  

Ultimately, they will be discarded, just as they were in China.  The puppet masters will have achieved their goal, the dismantling of the American Olds ... individual liberty and the system of capitalism.  The state will rule with supreme authority, freed of the limitations of the old outdated Constitution for the sake of New Ideals.  The mob will have served its purpose.  

And the poor will still be poor.

****************
Update 6/12/20:  
Thanks to all of you for your comments on this.  I’ve read every single one.  The energy I see behind them is indicative of a huge groundswell of people who see this situation for what it is really is.  Not one person has excused the injustice of a man being killed while cuffed on the ground.  Many do, however, see how that event is being used to push a radical agenda, one based on the elimination of capitalism and individual freedom (speech).  All of it is antithetical to our Constitution and cozies up closely to Marxism.  To them, the ends justify the means ... hence the looting, burning, and killing.  Nothing is sacred, not our monuments to heroes (WW2, Vietnam, etc), not our beautiful flag, not even innocent lives.  Now the mob conveniently wants to dismantle the police force.  The press has even pivoted to sympathize with it all.  We alone stand in the gap for the sake of our nation.  I am determined to stay here and fight.  Love and liberty to all of you, fellow patriots!  God bless!  - Bob"

 

 

On 6/23/2020 at 10:26 AM, metafour said:

Not trying to argue, ...maybe I'm simple minded or what have you, but governments throughout history  have had had profound influences on legions of people who robotically fall in line in socialism, communism, dictatorships and what have you...not convinced that this stuff only happens in the "old days" or in other countrys. 

 

[SaturdayGT 719]

Sorry guys, I really botched the last post somehow with my phone from what it's looking like Lol

[wdefromtx 3,159]

So the Houston Area Realtor (HAR) website has stated they will no longer refer to master bedroom as master bedroom!! WTF!! 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[SaturdayGT 719]

33 minutes ago, wdefromtx said:

So the Houston Area Realtor (HAR) website has stated they will no longer refer to master bedroom as master bedroom!! WTF!! 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

Lol!.. it's to end racism!....definitely not to establish a political standard for you to follow or else!!

[wdefromtx 3,159]

17 minutes ago, SaturdayGT said:

Lol!.. it's to end racism!....definitely not to establish a political standard for you to follow or else!!

Guess we should rename Master and Slave cylinder on our cars too!! 😂

[SaturdayGT 719]

36 minutes ago, wdefromtx said:

Guess we should rename Master and Slave cylinder on our cars too!! 😂

God...the slave cylinder!!!.....totally woke to it now! Thank you for the deserved guilt I now feel.... I move to call it..."drumrolls"..  the rainbow cylinder!...its all inclusive for cylinders everywhere!

[AUDub 11,113]

33 minutes ago, wdefromtx said:

Guess we should rename Master and Slave cylinder on our cars too!! 😂

For me it was HDDs with the old PATA cables in computers that came to mind lol. 

[alexava 6,972]

1 hour ago, wdefromtx said:

Guess we should rename Master and Slave cylinder on our cars too!! 😂

We might as well rename masterbation too. 

[alexava 6,972]

[wdefromtx 3,159]

55 minutes ago, alexava said:

We might as well rename masterbation too. 

I didn’t see that coming........

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19 hours ago, SaturdayGT said:

    If I remember correct, when the Soviet Union took over all those countries, they used a divide and conquer method in many cases, causing havoc within to weaken countries. If one can believe they can meddle in our electoral processes, why would meddling in, or exacerbating our racial divide to weaken us be so dismissable?

Historically you are right about the Soviet Union. But I would argue that the most divisive force in the US today is 24/7 news. We are exacerbating our own problems.