Yeah, a good chunk of MAGA is absolutely deplorable

[aubiefifty 16,755]

14 hours ago, SaltyTiger said:

Remember what fiddy?  

what i told you would happen...............besides if i am wrong you get to throw it up in my face.

[homersapien 11,362]

13 hours ago, SaltyTiger said:

 What has not been made political for Trump since pre inauguration? First time any of us heard of the pandemic nothing important to you guys but impeachment.

Started with all of the Russia BS. Much "co-responsibility in this disaster Brother Homer.

That's absolutely nuts. 

The politicization of the pandemic by Trump - from the very beginning - is exactly why we are currently the global epicenter, and it's getting worse.  (I see now that he's turned on Fouci for not toeing the preferred political line.)

The pandemic has nothing to do with the impeachment, which was absolutely justified.

Don't be such a fool.

 

 

 

[homersapien 11,362]

2 hours ago, SocialCircle said:

No doubt there are crazies on both sides. However, it is you who called people who refuse to wear masks deplorable while ignoring those currently rioting and looting and taking over an area of Seattle while killing each other and police officers. 

You really don't understand how embarrassingly irrational that statement is? 

First there is no connection between the two.  None.

Secondly, where has fifty "ignored" rioters/looters?

Good grief.

 

[aubiefifty 16,755]

11 minutes ago, homersapien said:

You really don't understand how embarrassingly irrational that statement is? 

First there is no connection between the two.  None.

Secondly, where has fifty "ignored" rioters/looters?

Good grief.

 

i upset him yesterday so he is making me stand in a corner.

[homersapien 11,362]

White House seeks to discredit Fauci in memo leaked to reporters

Administration sources say he's sometimes referred to as "Dr. Gloom and Doom."

The White House has taken the unusual step of attacking a member of its coronavirus task force, by providing a document to several media outlets that contains a list of comments made by Dr. Anthony Fauci in an effort to damage his reputation.

The comments were first reported by the Washington Post.

The news of the document comes as two senior level White House sources tell ABC News that Fauci has at times been referred to among aides to President Donald Trump as "Dr. Gloom and Doom."

The document, obtained by ABC News from sources who confirmed the effort to discredit Fauci, says in part that "several White House officials are concerned about the number of times Dr. Fauci has been wrong on things."

MORE: Rift grows between Trump, health experts amid coronavirus surge

The document goes on to list examples of what the White House views as Fauci contradicting himself.

One example in the short document is a comment made by Fauci on NBC's Today Show in late February that "at this moment, there is no need to change anything that you're doing on a day-by-day basis."

However, that was not the full statement Fauci made during the interview.

"Right now the risk is still low, but this could change," Fauci also told the Today Show at the time. "When you start to see community spread, this could change and force you to become much more attentive to doing things that would protect you from spread."

In addition to Fauci sometimes being referring to as "Dr. Gloom and Doom," sources say the nickname has been used at times to describe other medical professionals on the task force.

In conversations with sources within the White House and within the larger task force apparatus, officials also described a direct effort to block Fauci from media appearances.

MORE: Situation 'really not good' as new COVID-19 cases break records: Fauci

Fauci said Friday that he hasn't seen Trump in person since June 2.

Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, has had a higher approval rating than the president in national polls related to the coronavirus response.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/white-house-seeks-discredit-fauci-memo-leaked-reporters/story?id=71745265

[homersapien 11,362]

Rift grows between Trump, health experts amid coronavirus surge

Dr. Fauci said he hasn't seen Trump in person since June 2.

As President Donald Trump threatens to cut funding to schools that don't reopen in the fall and continues to host mega-rallies as cases of coronavirus increase, there appears to be a growing rift between the Trump White House and its top health advisers.

The president has taken his criticism of the government's top expert on infectious diseases and of leaders at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention into the public forum in his massive push to reopen the country.

MORE: Fauci, other health advisers at odds with President Trump on whether to slow testing

Despite coronavirus response coordinator Dr. Deborah Birx asking Americans in hot spot zones to avoid indoor gatherings and reduce them to 10 people or fewer, Trump on Friday delivered remarks and attended a home fundraiser in Florida as cases there rise -- one day after the state saw a record death toll.

The trip came as Trump seeks to downplay the danger in states like Florida, Arizona, Texas and California struggling to control outbreaks -- which he calls "embers" -- and openly disputes coronavirus task force officials.

In a series of interviews this week, Trump questioned the expertise of Dr. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases for more than three decades and a prominent member of the White House coronavirus task force, who continually polls higher in favorability than the president.

"Dr. Fauci is a nice man, but he's made a lot of mistakes," Trump told Fox News' Sean Hannity Thursday night, insisting Fauci was against his travel ban on China and wrong on face masks.

"A lot of them said don't wear a mask, don't wear a mask," added Trump, who has yet to don one himself in public. "Now they are saying wear a mask. A lot of mistakes were made, a lot of mistakes."

MORE: Situation 'really not good' as new COVID-19 cases break records: Fauci

Trump used the same criticisms in an interview Tuesday, when directly asked about Fauci's assessment one day earlier that the country is "knee deep in the first wave" of the virus.

"Well, I think we are in a good place," Trump told "Full Court Press" with Greta Van Susteren in response. "I disagree with him."

Notably, when Fauci testified before House lawmakers in March as the pandemic took off, he said he supported Trump's travel bans on China and Europe, calling the case for them "pretty compelling." The decision to advise against wearing masks, until an official CDC recommendation in April, was due largely to a nationwide shortage, officials said.

Fauci is not the only expert under fire from Trump.

Throughout the week, Trump has also criticized guidelines from the CDC on reopening schools -- calling them "very tough & expensive" -- and has characterized the decision to reopen schools as a political one, even as coronavirus cases surge across the country.

"It is politics," Trump said, at an event unrelated to the pandemic in the Rose Garden Thursday. "They don't want to open because they think it will help them on November 3rd. I think it's going to hurt them November 3rd."

After Vice President Mike Pence, backing the president, said the guidelines on reopening schools would be changed, CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield wouldn't say if that was a direct result of the president's demand but instead stressed that the guidelines are "intentionally non-prescriptive."

MORE: No revisions to school reopening guidelines despite Trump demand, just 'additional information': CDC director

While Birx and Redfield are more controlled in their press appearances, careful not to clash with Trump's positive outlook, Fauci this week characterized the entire country as "living in the perfect storm."

In an interview with the Financial Times out Friday, the infectious disease expert revealed the last time he saw the president in person at the White House was on June 2 and that he has not briefed him for at least two months.

"I have a reputation, as you probably have figured out, of speaking the truth at all times and not sugar-coating things," Fauci said. "And that may be one of the reasons why I haven't been on television very much lately."

Back in March, Trump praised the doctor as a "major television star for all the right reasons" -- a key metric for Trump -- but as the pandemic worsened it appears their relationship did, too.

Trump, the ever-optimist, and Fauci, who calls himself "cautiously optimistic" soon diverged on their messaging -- whether on the promise of potential treatments such as hydroxychloroquine or the speed at which Americans should return to normal life.

MORE: Fauci throws cold water on Trump's declaration that malaria drug chloroquine is a 'game changer'

In April, after Fauci told CNN the administration "could have saved lives" had firm social distancing guidelines been enforced earlier and added that there was "pushback about shutting things down," Trump retweeted a former Republican congressional candidate's attack on Fauci, including the hashtag of #FireFauci, sparking concern over his future on the task force.

And in May, after Fauci urged caution when it comes to reopening schools, Trump told reporters, "He wants to play all sides of the equation."

Both parties seem to agree that politics are at play.

Fauci on Thursday, asked by FiveThirtyEight's Anna Rothschild if the country's hyper-partisan environment has made it more difficult to suppress the virus, said, "I think you'd have to admit that that's the case."

MORE: Fauci: ‘I Don’t Think You Can Say We’re Doing Great. I Mean, We’re Just Not.’

"You have to be having blindfolders on and covering your ears to think that we don't live in a very divisive society now, from a political standpoint," Fauci said. "You'd have to make the assumption that if there wasn't such divisiveness, that we would have a more coordinated approach."

While Fauci has done several podcast, print and social media interviews in the last month, his presence on TV and as a leading face at the once-daily task force briefings has diminished -- though coronavirus cases have resurged prompting several state and local officials to halt or reverse their reopening efforts.

At an afternoon White House briefing Wednesday, press secretary Kayleigh McEnany wouldn't say when directly asked whether Trump still has confidence in the government's top expert on infectious diseases.

"The president has confidence -- confidence in the conclusions of our medical experts, but it's up to him to determine what to do with that information and to take what we hear from Dr. Fauci, Dr. Birx and others and take what he values in their opinion and come to the ultimate consensus that's best for this country," she said.

MORE: Tensions with Trump: Dr. Anthony Fauci on telling the truth

Fauci, notably absent from Wednesday's task force briefing, was reportedly asked to go to the White House at the same time it was being held at the Department of Eduction, which meant he could not answer questions from reporters on schools reopening.

"Look, that's a decision for the task force as to who appears at the briefing, but you've heard from a lot of our doctors today," McEnany said to justify his absence.

She noted that Fauci has appeared on six TV programs since June 1, he spoke during a task force briefing on June 26 and participated in Pence's briefing on June 29.

But while the Trump White House this week said the world is looking to the U.S. as the leader in the ongoing pandemic, Fauci has asserted the opposite.

"As a country, when you compare us to other countries, I don't think you can say we're doing great," Fauci said. "I mean, we're just not."

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/rift-grows-trump-health-experts-amid-coronavirus-surge/story?id=71715206

 

[SocialCircle 570]

1 hour ago, homersapien said:

You really don't understand how embarrassingly irrational that statement is? 

First there is no connection between the two.  None.

Secondly, where has fifty "ignored" rioters/looters?

Good grief.

 

He ignored them in his original post. I haven’t seen him call them deplorable. He has had plenty of time to do so. I simply pointing out how petty it is to call out folks who don’t wear masks as deplorable while ignoring people that are actually shooting and raping and burning down and stealing. His post is what is irrational.

[SaltyTiger 7,789]

2 hours ago, homersapien said:

That's absolutely nuts. 

Yep, was sorta nuts in hindsight Brother Homer. Shouldn't be anything "political" about our current situation. Unfortunately not the way we operate. 

[aubiefifty 16,755]

38 minutes ago, SocialCircle said:

He ignored them in his original post. I haven’t seen him call them deplorable. He has had plenty of time to do so. I simply pointing out how petty it is to call out folks who don’t wear masks as deplorable while ignoring people that are actually shooting and raping and burning down and stealing. His post is what is irrational.

maybe i should ask what timelines i should follow concerning how soon i need or have to make any kind of statement concerning current events to make you happy.  anyone that is not a complete frigging moron should know most folks are not happy with the riots. are you that  stupid? there are huge spikes all over this country and people are getting sick and dying when we know right now we opened up back too soon because trump is worried about getting reelected. if you want to bang on me you go right ahead but make sure what you say is the truth instead of these things you have imagined i have done or said. you are down to a very few people even talking to you on here anymore unless they are trumpers. and unless i missed it you have yet to condemn trump for gassing a peaceful and lawful protest for a photo op. you also have not condemned any of the alt protesters who have hurt people and taken lives and you have had way longer to respond. or the trumpers riding around in golf carts yellineg white power. and of course trump posts the video because he is gaslighting this nation right now. and then he adds what good people they are. also anyone that refuses to wear a mask when all the experts claim they save lives is deplorable in my book. and for the record the riots and masks are two completely different subjects. you can do like most people do on here and start a thread on the newer subject and ask me if you are worried about what i think. i will be watching ga close to see what happens because when those kids and teachers start getting sick and dying you will hear from me on it. maybe you should iggie me because i am not going away.

[SocialCircle 570]

50 minutes ago, aubiefifty said:

maybe i should ask what timelines i should follow concerning how soon i need or have to make any kind of statement concerning current events to make you happy.  anyone that is not a complete frigging moron should know most folks are not happy with the riots. are you that  stupid? there are huge spikes all over this country and people are getting sick and dying when we know right now we opened up back too soon because trump is worried about getting reelected. if you want to bang on me you go right ahead but make sure what you say is the truth instead of these things you have imagined i have done or said. you are down to a very few people even talking to you on here anymore unless they are trumpers. and unless i missed it you have yet to condemn trump for gassing a peaceful and lawful protest for a photo op. you also have not condemned any of the alt protesters who have hurt people and taken lives and you have had way longer to respond. or the trumpers riding around in golf carts yellineg white power. and of course trump posts the video because he is gaslighting this nation right now. and then he adds what good people they are. also anyone that refuses to wear a mask when all the experts claim they save lives is deplorable in my book. and for the record the riots and masks are two completely different subjects. you can do like most people do on here and start a thread on the newer subject and ask me if you are worried about what i think. i will be watching ga close to see what happens because when those kids and teachers start getting sick and dying you will hear from me on it. maybe you should iggie me because i am not going away.

I'll just cover it all in one big statement. I'm against anyone breaking the law. Also, I disagree with you as it relates to opening back up too soon.  I think governors need to continue to adjust to the facts on the ground in their particular state. If the healthcare system in their state gets close to being overwhelmed, then that governor should in my view make the necessary adjustments. 

I would never ask you to go away. Also, I don't put anyone on ignore as I find it childish. 

Are you now a science denier by saying our school system should go against the advise of the American Academy of Pediatrics and the Georgia Dept. of Public Health?  BTW, we aren't forcing any staff member or student to come to the school building if they believe it is too risky for them.  So are you against freedom and liberty too??  

[homersapien 11,362]

2 hours ago, SaltyTiger said:

Yep, was sorta nuts in hindsight Brother Homer. Shouldn't be anything "political" about our current situation. Unfortunately not the way we operate. 

That's certainly the way Trump operates.  He has seen the pandemic solely through the lens of how it is going to affect him personally. 

That's all that matters to him. 

There is a certain percentage of his supporters that either cannot - or will not - recognize that, which is clearly obvious by now. 

I have been assuming you aren't one of them.

[SuperAUsome09 738]

Has COVID been politicized by both parties...perhaps.

Does COVID care which side you are on? No...it has the potential to harm you regardless.

Should you wear a mask? I hate wearing a mask, but I do it out of respect for others in all public places. Some part of the problem is “Me first” attitude(it won’t hurt ME). Care for others as you would care for yourself! This thing could be beat or at least severely neutered with an ounce of compassion.

[aubiefifty 16,755]

33 minutes ago, SuperAUsome09 said:

Has COVID been politicized by both parties...perhaps.

Does COVID care which side you are on? No...it has the potential to harm you regardless.

Should you wear a mask? I hate wearing a mask, but I do it out of respect for others in all public places. Some part of the problem is “Me first” attitude(it won’t hurt ME). Care for others as you would care for yourself! This thing could be beat or at least severely neutered with an ounce of compassion.

i wear a mask as well and i do not care for them either. but if someone goes down because of me i can say  i tried to do the right thing and will be able to sleep at night. and everyone has differing doctors but everyone i see on tele and locally say wear your mask. there was just some guy in on the football season discussions and he is not a doctor but he heard the discussion and they basically claimed if people do not start wearing them we will probably not have a season this year. and not sure about you but i do not care for that heard mentality either because i have read books where native americans led huge herds off cliffs. i will say at least social is wearing a mask so i gotta give him props for that. we are so bad at this we are the worlds biggest loser for covid. hell even brazil beat us. india stomped us and they are so overcrowded they are almost elbow to elbow. we screwed this one up because we are too prideful anymore. it is my way or the highway anymore and this is sad. now they are throwing fauci under the bus and smearing him to take heat off trump.

[alexava 6,973]

4 people in my small community have passed away in the last week. All in their 70s and 80s. All COVID-19. Yes they had underlying conditions. No visitations, gravesite funerals where only close family will attend and wear masks. These are certainly not liberals either. One did have a funeral procession as the hearse and the family took a drive through the family farm and the community where hundreds of people stood and waved. You would really just have to see it. 

[aubiefifty 16,755]

2 minutes ago, alexava said:

4 people in my small community have passed away in the last week. All in their 70s and 80s. All COVID-19. Yes they had underlying conditions. No visitations, gravesite funerals where only close family will attend and wear masks. These are certainly not liberals either. One did have a funeral procession as the hearse and the family took a drive through the family farm and the community where hundreds of people stood and waved. You would really just have to see it. 

sorry for your towns losses. some guy was saying on finebaum today that the powers that be are talking among themselves that if people do not start wearing a mask and slowing this thing down we will have no football season.

[alexava 6,973]

13 minutes ago, aubiefifty said:

sorry for your towns losses. some guy was saying on finebaum today that the powers that be are talking among themselves that if people do not start wearing a mask and slowing this thing down we will have no football season.

One is a friends father and wealthy farmer. Two are husband and wife their son is also a friend. The other is another prominent retired farmer. All live three miles apart. Three attended the same church although the churches haven’t been open. These are very rural people. 

[SaltyTiger 7,789]

4 hours ago, homersapien said:

That's certainly the way Trump operates.  He has seen the pandemic solely through the lens of how it is going to affect him personally. 

That's all that matters to him. 

There is a certain percentage of his supporters that either cannot - or will not - recognize that, which is clearly obvious by now. 

I have been assuming you aren't one of them.

Sure. It has been political by Trump and his opposition. 

Pandemic of this caliber plus an election year is a recipe for disaster.

 

[SaltyTiger 7,789]

1 hour ago, aubiefifty said:

some guy was saying on finebaum today that the powers that be are talking among themselves that if people do not start wearing a mask and slowing this thing down we will have no football season.

Did the guy say how players would social distance in contact sport? Would players and referees be oxygen deprived while wearing mask? 

[aubiefifty 16,755]

1 hour ago, SaltyTiger said:

Did the guy say how players would social distance in contact sport? Would players and referees be oxygen deprived while wearing mask? 

sorry man i missed most of it and then jim came on and lost interest. they did say something about playing some this year and splitting it or something and finishing the season up in the spring.

[homersapien 11,362]

On 7/13/2020 at 9:00 PM, SaltyTiger said:

Sure. It has been political by Trump and his opposition. 

Pandemic of this caliber plus an election year is a recipe for disaster.

 

POTUS is responsible for national leadership.  It has - and continues to be - pathetic.

The "opposition" is responsible for pointing out how pathetic that response has been.  That's the political balance our democracy depends on. Otherwise, we are no different than China - all hail Trump!

Like myself, I hope you survive Trump's incompetence.

[SaltyTiger 7,789]

14 hours ago, homersapien said:

Like myself, I hope you survive Trump's incompetence.

Thank you Brother Homer. I wear a mask and in the 67 percentile. 

[SocialCircle 570]

On 7/13/2020 at 11:20 PM, homersapien said:

POTUS is responsible for national leadership.  It has - and continues to be - pathetic.

The "opposition" is responsible for pointing out how pathetic that response has been.  That's the political balance our democracy depends on. Otherwise, we are no different that China - all hail Trump!

Like myself, I hope you survive Trump's incompetence.

How exactly can Trump help you survive this virus?  We have the necessary information.  Aren't you responsible enough to take care of yourself?  Do you hold China accountable at all?  If anyone could have prevented massive global deaths don't you think it is the Chinese government?   

[aubiefifty 16,755]

trump knew about the virus last year and sat on his ass and did nothing. then when it came around he stood up and hollered dem hoax. it does not matter where the virus came from the point is how it was handled and it is still lacking. and the trumpers listened to our idiot in chief and refused to wear masks which could have slowed down the virus and saved thousands of lives. there are still not enough testing supplies to warrant a full scale opening of our country. the fact is trump and company screwed this up badly and will continue to do so by ignoring this just hoping it will go away. lies. deceit. my favorite is hot weather will kill the virus. and lets not forget all the blackmail trump has used trying to ope states as well. Michigan comes to mind. most of the dem states have caught his wrath and he is still threatening to hold back federal money if schools are not open in august. there is a lot of blood on trumps hands as well as those that blindly follow his policies. trump is not a king he is a servant of this country. but when most folks on the right refuse to wear a mask while arguing for message parlors and nail joints to be opened and public health be damned tells me all i need to know. he is a complete joke and those that would refute that claim are as well. it is not all about making some money on the stock market.

[homersapien 11,362]

20 hours ago, SaltyTiger said:

Thank you Brother Homer. I wear a mask and in the 67 percentile. 

Presumably, you understand the mask is more for protecting others - including all your MAGA friends that are refusing to wear one?  I doesn't really protect you, at least not much.

Trump has only just now has put one on - at least in one visit - and its big news!

Mask wearing is a perfect example of how Trump has politicized this pandemic from the beginning.  It has been a core part of his gaslighting on the threat.

 

[homersapien 11,362]

4 hours ago, SocialCircle said:

How exactly can Trump help you survive this virus?  We have the necessary information.  Aren't you responsible enough to take care of yourself?  Do you hold China accountable at all?  If anyone could have prevented massive global deaths don't you think it is the Chinese government?   

You cannot be serious.  Do I really need to go back and provide all of the instances where Trump denied the threat or made happy talk about it going away?  

And he did so because the only way he was capable of perceive the threat was in how it would affect him.  Any normal person might have seen such a challenge as an opportunity to exhibit some leadership to the country.  But not Trump, he is an ignorant fool.  He figured he could just talk it away, while avoiding all responsibility.  "I am not responsible".

Blaming China is not a valid excuse for Trump's ineptness and lack of leadership.