‘It was like being preyed upon’: Portland protesters say federal officers in unmarked vans are detaining them

[homersapien 11,357]

17 hours ago, Auburnfan91 said:

You mean Whataboutism?

Are you serious? 

That's called a "hypothetical".    A good one that makes a valid point.

Look it up.

[Mikey 16,566]

18 hours ago, homersapien said:

I report, you decide. 

Or in your case, refuse to consider at all.

Still think that mob of Marxists and thugs in Portland is peaceful? https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/19/backgrounder-day-50-continued-violence-portland

[homersapien 11,357]

1 hour ago, Mikey said:

Still think that mob of Marxists and thugs in Portland is peaceful? https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/07/19/backgrounder-day-50-continued-violence-portland

First, I never said rioters were peaceful. They're not.  I said most of the protestors were.  And that's true.

But I don't believe any of the propaganda comes from this administration, including from the "Department of Homeland Security".

(Hint: the repetition of "Violent Anarchists" and total lack of useful detail is a tell.) This is nothing but a PR piece, aka "propaganda".

Hell they're probably behind the violence in the first place.

[McLoofus 35,182]

On 7/18/2020 at 12:36 PM, johnnyAU said:

"Not as good as we should have done" is not what I said.  He may be the worst we could have done.

It isn't an emotional bias, it's a direct observation.  The guy is too damn old, way too creepy, possibly a complete idiot and definitely has shown signs of early onset dementia.

With ~330 million people, our choices for POTUS should never end up with him as a candidate....nor Trump FWIW.  Yet, here we are again.  He is NOT good enough. 

Too old? trump is morbidly obese and can't walk down a ******* ramp.

Too creepy? I guess both guys might've grabbed her by the *****. Just like some of the most successful POTUSes of the last 100 years and likely many before. But trump has been accused of sexual predation many times beyond the one he admitted to on tape. He's also on his 3rd or 4th wife, with whom he cheated on the previous wife, he slept with a porn star and then paid her hush money, he's known for walking into beauty pageant dressing rooms unannounced, and he made suggestive comments about his own daughter. 

A complete idiot? trump speaks at a 4th grade level, has clear fascist aims, and is actively trying to dismantle democracy.

Early onset dementia? See above. And see trump's Twitter feed.

 

You folks have got to stop normalizing trump. We get it. You're mad that the Dems didn't knock it out of the park. But they didn't have to. I'm not sure where this notion that the Dems had to counter a historically awful president with a historically great candidate came from, but it makes no sense at all. All they should have to do is better, which they could have done by wiping Joe Biden's ass and running the TP they used to do it. Mission accomplished. 

 

[johnnyAU 3,630]

2 hours ago, McLoofus said:

You folks have got to stop normalizing trump.

Nobody is.  Your lot needs to quit with the "Whataboutisms".  The goal shouldn't be to replace one crap POTUS with another. . There isn't much to like about Trump, but you are looking through rose colored glasses when you turn towards Biden. This is the same issue as the last election.  So many people hated Hillary, they apparently didn't care who got elected as long as it wasn't her. Here we are 4 years later and it's Deja Vu (all over again).  It's not ok to try and justify putting back to back clowns in the OH. 

 

[McLoofus 35,182]

3 minutes ago, johnnyAU said:

The goal shouldn't be to replace one crap POTUS with another. 

And it's not. The goal is to replace one president with a better one. That is exactly what will happen if Biden is elected.

As for this being like 2016, you're right that there are similarities. The main similarity is that in both cases the Democrats nominated a far more qualified and capable candidate. The second main similarity is that many Americans still don't really care, and will again vote against their own best interests.

[McLoofus 35,182]

Oh, and you are definitely normalizing trump by trying to put him on equal footing with Biden. That is absolutely what you are doing and you are going to some great effort to do it.

[johnnyAU 3,630]

1 minute ago, McLoofus said:

Oh, and you are definitely normalizing trump by trying to put him on equal footing with Biden. That is absolutely what you are doing and you are going to some great effort to do it.

Biden's history has put him where he is. Your ideological blinders may not allow you to see reality, but it is there in front of you. 

 

5 minutes ago, McLoofus said:

The main similarity is that in both cases the Democrats nominated a far more qualified and capable candidate.

The Repubs put forth the candidate that would take down Hildebeast. They completely looked the other way when it came to Trump and it's a shame. Wish that field could have produced better, but they didn't. The main similarity is the sides have proven they don't care who gets in as long as it isn't from the other side. 

Hillary is indeed smarter than the other two combined, but she is no less egotistical and no less unethical...and even more of a snake. 

Biden is a complete idiot, and will NOT be a better POTUS than Trump.  In fact, I believe he'll either voluntarily or involuntarily step down very early.  The only thing he might not do is use Twitter as an outlet for half crazy rants.  However, that may just because he has no idea what social media is or how to use it.  I hear he's thinking of taking to this newfangled HAM radio to reach the young folks. 

[McLoofus 35,182]

14 minutes ago, johnnyAU said:

Hillary is indeed smarter than the other two combined, but she is no less egotistical and no less unethical...and even more of a snake. 

Biden is a complete idiot, and will NOT be a better POTUS than Trump.

Well, I probably do have some blinders of an ideological nature, but I'm curious where you sourced yours. They're bigly big. 

[TexasTiger 12,828]

31 minutes ago, McLoofus said:

Oh, and you are definitely normalizing trump by trying to put him on equal footing with Biden. That is absolutely what you are doing and you are going to some great effort to do it.

He’s actually saying he’s superior.

[johnnyAU 3,630]

4 minutes ago, McLoofus said:

Well, I probably do have some blinders of an ideological nature, but I'm curious where you sourced yours. They're bigly big. 

I haven't disagreed with much of anything you've stated about Trump.

[johnnyAU 3,630]

3 minutes ago, TexasTiger said:

He’s actually saying he’s superior.

No, the only thing Trump has that's superior is his opinion of himself. Biden may not hold that same narcissism, but he isn't superior in any other way.  He's already back-pedaling and pandering to get Bernie's followers to hop on board. If you cannot see Biden's age-related issues and real signs of early onset dementia, then your politics aren't allowing you to see it. He is also no less of a perv, or no less unethical. 

What we would be getting is a slightly older, slightly dumber version of what we already have. We shouldn't be in this situation. If you wish to hope he is better, because you believe nothing could be worse, then that's certainly your choice. I don't see anything that actually tells me that. Either way, it's another 4 years of underwhelming representation...which results in at least 8 years of stupidity.

[homersapien 11,357]

1 hour ago, johnnyAU said:

Nobody is.  Your lot needs to quit with the "Whataboutisms".  The goal shouldn't be to replace one crap POTUS with another. . There isn't much to like about Trump, but you are looking through rose colored glasses when you turn towards Biden. This is the same issue as the last election.  So many people hated Hillary, they apparently didn't care who got elected as long as it wasn't her. Here we are 4 years later and it's Deja Vu (all over again).  It's not ok to try and justify putting back to back clowns in the OH. 

 

I don't get this animosity toward Biden.  It's never specific, which says a lot.

I think it's more of a result of unfounded propaganda - Trump's latest ad accusing him of wanting to do away with police being an obvious example.

Biden's supported things which might have had unintended consequences - like the crime bill - but he is a reasonable politician who is willing to work with the other side for the good of the country as a whole.

I get that he's old and has been a politician for a long time - including as VP to our first black POTUS (horrors!).  But he is not even radical, much less evil. Trump is clearly psychopathic (no empathy) which is the very personification of evil.

To suggest even the most casual comparison of his character and fitness between him  and Trump is patently absurd. Insane even.

Trump is uniquely unfit for the office.  And that's the way history will remember - by far the worst president the nation has ever had, and probably ever will have.

[TexasTiger 12,828]

43 minutes ago, johnnyAU said:

No, the only thing Trump has that's superior is his opinion of himself. Biden may not hold that same narcissism, but he isn't superior in any other way.  He's already back-pedaling and pandering to get Bernie's followers to hop on board. If you cannot see Biden's age-related issues and real signs of early onset dementia, then your politics aren't allowing you to see it. He is also no less of a perv, or no less unethical. 

What we would be getting is a slightly older, slightly dumber version of what we already have. We shouldn't be in this situation. If you wish to hope he is better, because you believe nothing could be worse, then that's certainly your choice. I don't see anything that actually tells me that. Either way, it's another 4 years of underwhelming representation...which results in at least 8 years of stupidity.

Your politics are totally shaping your perspective, so you’re not in a position to preach.

[McLoofus 35,182]

4 minutes ago, homersapien said:

I don't get this animosity toward Biden.  It's never specific.

Yeah. I keep waiting for the receipts. We've got them on the other guy. Lots of them. 

[homersapien 11,357]

1 hour ago, johnnyAU said:

No, the only thing Trump has that's superior is his opinion of himself. Biden may not hold that same narcissism, but he isn't superior in any other way.  He's already back-pedaling and pandering to get Bernie's followers to hop on board. If you cannot see Biden's age-related issues and real signs of early onset dementia, then your politics aren't allowing you to see it. He is also no less of a perv, or no less unethical. 

What we would be getting is a slightly older, slightly dumber version of what we already have. We shouldn't be in this situation. If you wish to hope he is better, because you believe nothing could be worse, then that's certainly your choice. I don't see anything that actually tells me that. Either way, it's another 4 years of underwhelming representation...which results in at least 8 years of stupidity.

You don't really seem to know much about Trump. 

You apparently don't know much about dementia either.

Trump gets analyzed every single day on this forum.  I have yet to see anyone provide a comprehensive critique of Biden - his political history, the policies he's promoting, his working style, anything. 

No has provided any analysis of Biden other than he's old (a whopping 4 years older than Trump ) and unsupported claims of dementia.

If he's as bad as you seem to think he is, you ought to be able to produce a more specific argument against him.

Trump provides us one almost daily.  (I particularly like his perspective on covid testing - if we did far less testing, we'd have fewer cases. ) 

So regarding Biden's "dementia", get back to me when he says something that crazy.

Saying Biden is not an improvement over Trump is incredibly uninformed if not crazily self-delusional.

 

[I_M4_AU 7,787]

1 hour ago, johnnyAU said:

In fact, I believe he'll either voluntarily or involuntarily step down very early

The Biden backers are more excited about who he will name as his VP than enthusiasm about Biden himself.  This tells you all you need to know about what the Biden backers think about their candidate. 

[homersapien 11,357]

13 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

The Biden backers are more excited about who he will name as his VP than enthusiasm about Biden himself.  This tells you all you need to know about what the Biden backers think about their candidate. 

Of course people are excited to know who he will pick as VP.  He wrapped up the nomination a long time ago and is about to complete the Democratic ticket. 

His supporters - including me - probably are more excited about the prospect of defeating the POS that currently holds the office than who does it.  That says more about Trump than Biden.

Regardless Biden's VP choice will have at least some affect on how well the ticket performs in the election - certainly not as much bearing as Trump's own performance - but some.  Thus the interest.

[wdefromtx 3,159]

19 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

The Biden backers are more excited about who he will name as his VP than enthusiasm about Biden himself.  This tells you all you need to know about what the Biden backers think about their candidate. 

And the ones that are excited need to raise their standards. Their only response is “he’s better than Trump.” They had four years to put together something and the best they could muster is Biden. Pathetic. 

[homersapien 11,357]

34 minutes ago, McLoofus said:

Yeah. I keep waiting for the receipts. We've got them on the other guy. Lots of them. 

It's really rather amusing.  Comparing Biden to an older version of Trump.

It's pure rhetoric. 

But I completely understand why they would not want to make a detailed comparison based on facts.

[homersapien 11,357]

5 minutes ago, wdefromtx said:

And the ones that are excited need to raise their standards. Their only response is “he’s better than Trump.” They had four years to put together something and the best they could muster is Biden. Pathetic. 

First - as the polls indicate - Biden is more than good enough to beat Trump.

So what's your problem with Biden, specifically?

[McLoofus 35,182]

Here we go. Good thing he's not a fascist.

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The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is planning to send 150 federal agents to Chicago this week, The Chicago Tribune reported Monday. 

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/508120-homeland-security-sending-150-agents-to-chicago-this-week-report?fbclid=IwAR34UELH9IH4rBLFWS3KWMcncfHC-nEurzJZcz_FeEhgXhuxRdZN90YRRjk

 

[johnnyAU 3,630]

15 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

The Biden backers are more excited about who he will name as his VP than enthusiasm about Biden himself.  This tells you all you need to know about what the Biden backers think about their candidate. 

They are unwilling to see the obvious.  Political blinders. Biden is a puppet.  He was Obama's version of Dan Quayle, yet older and dumber. The usual suspects who believe any means justify the ends of removing Trump.  

We'll revisit the issues if Biden is ever allowed to debate. His gaffes were so frequent at one point, they kept him out of the media spotlight for months. 

Folks are excited who Biden (or more importantly the DNC) chooses for his VP because they realize he's a dud of a candidate...or as one poster said it a little more eloquently...a real "turd sandwich". 

[homersapien 11,357]

3 minutes ago, McLoofus said:

Here we go. Good thing he's not a fascist.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/508120-homeland-security-sending-150-agents-to-chicago-this-week-report?fbclid=IwAR34UELH9IH4rBLFWS3KWMcncfHC-nEurzJZcz_FeEhgXhuxRdZN90YRRjk

 

Trump obviously needs to work up some more violence for campaign purposes.

He's certainly not doing it for the benefit of Chicago.

[homersapien 11,357]

5 minutes ago, johnnyAU said:

They are unwilling to see the obvious.  Political blinders. Biden is a puppet.  He was Obama's version of Dan Quayle, yet older and dumber. The usual suspects who believe any means justify the ends of removing Trump.  

We'll revisit the issues if Biden is ever allowed to debate. His gaffes were so frequent at one point, they kept him out of the media spotlight for months. 

Folks are excited who Biden (or more importantly the DNC) chooses for his VP because they realize he's a dud of a candidate...or as one poster said it a little more eloquently...a real "turd sandwich". 

A "puppet" to whom?

Speaking of the obvious, have you been noticing the polls lately?