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You are still really under the impression that the plural of "anecdote" is "data."  And I'm frankly flummoxed at how to get you to see that and stop doing it.

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Also, let's get back to this comparison you make between "actual doctors in real life environments" and just a "test."  Do you not understand what a controlled, properly constructed clinical study is?

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31 minutes ago, TitanTiger said:

Also, let's get back to this comparison you make between "actual doctors in real life environments" and just a "test."  Do you not understand what a controlled, properly constructed clinical study is?

I do, but the point you continue to ignore is the studies linked didn’t even use the same treatment as the doctors who have actually saved lives using the correct medicine regiment at the correct stage of the disease.  So there has really been no study you have pointed to yet that mirrors what these doctors have done with patients under their care that has been effective. You even have a Democrat representative that told everyone this same regiment saved her life. Do you really think all of these doctors including a couple I have known for most of my life and that Democrat are all lying? Do you realize how much money is on the line here? I think money and hate of Trump is driving the opposition to this treatment.  

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9 hours ago, AUDub said:

I mean, it's not hard to see why HCQ is so politically charged. Rumor started with China, who thought patients with RA prescribed HCQ didn't seem to be getting the virus and integrated HCQ in their standard of care anecdotally, then some silly doctor in France thought he had managed to reinvent the wheel with it, then the tech-bros noticed and it got to Trump from there, who touted it a game changing wonder drug.

In truth, its efficacy is about as well established as ear-candling or chiropractic. Results from various studies are starting to finally see the light of day and they show pretty much no benefit.

I'm at a loss as to the article posted in the OP. A first year epidemiology student could tear it to pieces.

Yeah, I did a cursory search and it is across the spectrum leaning toward not effective. I will note in that search, I noticed no drugs are approved by the FDA for COVID19. Found that interesting. If I have a loved one dying I suppose I would approve any treatment to help them recover. Who wouldn't?

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32 minutes ago, SocialCircle said:

I think money and hate of Trump is driving the opposition to this treatment.  

There we have it. Titan, do not engage this fool further. He's a nut.

He's also a threat. He chairs a school board. I fear for those kids. 

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Just now, AUFAN78 said:

Yeah, I did a cursory search and it is across the spectrum leaning toward not effective. I will note in that search, I noticed no drugs are approved by the FDA for COVID19. Found that interesting. If I have a loved one dying I suppose I would approve any treatment to help them recover. Who wouldn't?

Well it's a novel virus, so it's not too surprising we haven't discovered an effective regimen yet.

I get the idea of why the desperate would want heroic measures, truly, but emotional compromise is a thing and there's a reason effective studies are effectively blinded to get an unbiased result.

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1 hour ago, AUDub said:

There we have it. Titan, do not engage this fool further. He's a nut.

He's also a threat. He chairs a school board. I fear for those kids. 

Again with the name calling. Always the fall back when you can’t prove your point. 

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58 minutes ago, AUDub said:

Well it's a novel virus, so it's not too surprising we haven't discovered an effective regimen yet.

I get the idea of why the desperate would want heroic measures, truly, but emotional compromise is a thing and there's a reason effective studies are effectively blinded to get an unbiased result.

Your are factually incorrect. We actually now have several treatments that have been proven to be effective. 

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4 hours ago, homersapien said:

Rush Limbaugh alluded to the OP story this afternoon as proof that all the other epidemiologists and scientists are lying about the efficacy of this drug because "it would make Trump look good".  ;)

Guess the wife was not with you. Recall you saying that she would not allow you to tune Rush in. OP from my recall felt like a class B fake porno production movie.

Found Ben's post "interesting" because his political affiliation was qualified in separate article.  

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2 hours ago, SocialCircle said:

Again with the name calling. Always the fall back when you can’t prove your point. 

I think your posts speak for themselves. It's all a grand conspiracy, apparently, "the grand secret they don't want you to know," as it were.

You are a ******* nut.

And that you chair a schoolboard is a damned embarrassment. I can only hope your input is minimal, because happen to be a ******* idiot that will do far more harm than good.

Seriously,  **** right off. Maybe you came here expecting to go unchallenged. I don't know, but I can't let this fly, you irascible dumbass.

I'm shifting gears from being nice to full on derision, and can only hope this results in some serious self-reflection on your part going forward...

...a**hole.

2 hours ago, SocialCircle said:

Your are factually incorrect. We actually now have several treatments that have been proven to be effective. 

You can't even define "proven", you utterly inept dumbass. 

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1 minute ago, AUDub said:

I think your posts speak for themselves. It's all a grand conspiracy, apparently, "the grand secret they don't want you to know," as it were.

You are a ******* nut.

And that you chair a schoolboard is a damned embarrassment. I can only hope your input is minimal, because happen to be a ******* idiot that will do far more harm than good.

Seriously,  **** right off. Maybe you came here expecting to go unchallenged. I don't know, but I can't let this fly, you irascible dumbass.

I'm shifting gears from being nice to full on derision, and can only hope this results in some serious self-reflection on your part going forward...

...a**hole.

You couldn't define "proven", you utterly inept dumbass. 

You are a world class name caller. I’ll give you that. Congrats!!

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6 minutes ago, AUDub said:

I think your posts speak for themselves. It's all a grand conspiracy, apparently, "the grand secret they don't want you to know," as it were.

You are a ******* nut.

And that you chair a schoolboard is a damned embarrassment. I can only hope your input is minimal, because happen to be a ******* idiot that will do far more harm than good.

Seriously,  **** right off. Maybe you came here expecting to go unchallenged. I don't know, but I can't let this fly, you irascible dumbass.

I'm shifting gears from being nice to full on derision, and can only hope this results in some serious self-reflection on your part going forward...

...a**hole.

You can't even define "proven", you utterly inept dumbass. 

You are really succeeding at making this forum even more of a cesspool. I have a feeling you are proud of yourself.

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2 minutes ago, SocialCircle said:

You are a world class name caller. I’ll give you that. Congrats!!

I wear that badge of honor with pride, no doubt. I also pride myself on not falling into logical traps like a moron. 

Whether what I say is true or not is what must be addressed, and you, being who you are, can't defend yourself beyond the accusation of "name-calling."

Substance isn't your thing, I imagine. 

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9 minutes ago, AUDub said:

I think your posts speak for themselves. It's all a grand conspiracy, apparently, "the grand secret they don't want you to know," as it were.

You are a ******* nut.

And that you chair a schoolboard is a damned embarrassment. I can only hope your input is minimal, because happen to be a ******* idiot that will do far more harm than good.

Seriously,  **** right off. Maybe you came here expecting to go unchallenged. I don't know, but I can't let this fly, you irascible dumbass.

I'm shifting gears from being nice to full on derision, and can only hope this results in some serious self-reflection on your part going forward...

...a**hole.

You can't even define "proven", you utterly inept dumbass. 

Steroids and remdesivir 

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2 minutes ago, Grumps said:

You are really succeeding at making this forum even more of a cesspool. I have a feeling you are proud of yourself.

The last thing I want is for this forum to be a cesspool. Part of rectifying that is calling out bull**** for what it is rather than playing nice. 

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6 minutes ago, AUDub said:

The last thing I want is for this forum to be a cesspool. Part of rectifying that is calling out bull**** for what it is rather than playing nice. 

I guess you are the ultimate judge. Congrats again! It is complete insanity to believe people who you have known and respected most of your life who are now doctors currently treating actual patients. 

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3 minutes ago, AUDub said:

The last thing I want is for this forum to be a cesspool. Part of rectifying that is calling out bull**** for what it is rather than playing nice. 

I call BS to your first sentence. Calling names and bashing the personal life of a member of this forum is disgusting. Since you seem to be proud of yourself I will be embarrassed for you.

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4 minutes ago, SocialCircle said:

Steroids and remdesivir 

Wait! Aren't we addressing antimalarials, i.e. HCQ?!

Seems the goalposts may be moving.

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Just now, AUDub said:

Wait! Aren't we addressing antimalarials, i.e. HCQ?!

Seems the goalposts may be moving.

I absolutely believe the regiment my friends have used effectively and these doctors have effectively used actually works when given early in treatment and in the correct dosages. So it depends on what you mean by proven. I fully understand just because it is proven to me doesn’t make it “proven.” 

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Just now, Grumps said:

I call BS to your first sentence. Calling names and bashing the personal life of a member of this forum is disgusting. Since you seem to be proud of yourself I will be embarrassed for you.

Bogging down the forum with bull**** does more damage than any insult I could ever lob, Grumps.

And he is the one that put his professional associations out there, same as I did. If he doesn't want to be judged on it, he shouldn't have decided to wield it to lend himself credibility. I'm confident enough not to **** it up like he's doing.

I'm a clinical eng. If I **** up something medical, you have my express permission to rip me to absolute shreds lol.

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3 minutes ago, SocialCircle said:

I absolutely believe the regiment my friends have used effectively and these doctors have effectively used actually works when given early in treatment and in the correct dosages. So it depends on what you mean by proven. I fully understand just because it is proven to me doesn’t make it “proven.” 

You have biases. Everyone does. That's why anecdotes. are. not. evidence. 

This isn't that difficult. 

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1 minute ago, AUDub said:

You gave biases. Everyone does. That's why anecdotes. are. not. evidence. 

This isn't that difficult. 

Evidence can mean different things to different people. I’m not expecting you to accept people I’ve known most of my life as evidence for you. However, I accept their testimonies as evidence as far as I’m concerned. I really don’t care what you want to accept as evidence for you. 

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10 minutes ago, SocialCircle said:

I guess you are the ultimate judge. Congrats again! It is complete insanity to believe people who you have known and respected most of your life who are now doctors currently treating actual patients. 

Ooh, scalding.

You ain't the only one that knows MDs, Mr. Appeal-to-Authority. I am friends with, have worked and do work with many MDs. I'm the guy that keeps their s*** working.

But good for your buddies, I guess.

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5 minutes ago, AUDub said:

Bogging down the forum with bull**** does more damage than any insult I could ever lob, Grumps.

And he is the one that put his professional associations out there, same as I did. If he doesn't want to be judged on it, he shouldn't have decided to wield it to lend himself credibility. I'm confident enough not to **** it up like he's doing.

I'm a clinical eng. If I **** up something medical, you have my express permission to rip me to absolute shreds lol.

So you get to decide what is BS. I see.

Do you have any proof SocialCircle does a single thing as a school board member that is an embarassment? Nope. Pure BS.

Don't you know that "Bogging down the forum with bull**** does more damage than any insult..."?

Truly pathetic. I don't know enough about what you being a clinical eng. means so I will just pretend to be impressed, but I won't bash your personal life if I disagree with you, even with your permission. 

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1 minute ago, AUDub said:

Ooh, scalding.

You ain't the only one that knows MDs, Mr. Appeal-to-Authority. I am friends with, have worked and do work with many MDs. I'm the guy that keeps their s*** working.

But good for your buddies, I guess.

I know I’m not. I never claimed I am. I do trust them though. BTW I suggest you get the MMR vaccine if you haven’t had one in years. Just a friendly “unproven” tip. 

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