“Together we WILL”

[toddc 13,194]

4 minutes ago, AURaptor said:

If you're talking about what i was referring to, with the 3 people trying to look over a fence  ( instead of buying a ticket ) , 2 already have it, and the 3rd - the youngest -  it'll be  a few years. 

If you're talking overall ? Never. Equity isn't possible in a free society . It's unnatural and shouldn't be sought after. 

Equal opportunity is what a free society is about, or should be!

[AURaptor 1,122]

5 minutes ago, toddc said:

Equal opportunity is what a free society is about, or should be!

Equity isn't equal opportunity. Freedom is that anyone CAN achieve , doesn't mean that everyone is guaranteed to achieve 

[toddc 13,194]

15 minutes ago, AURaptor said:

Equity isn't equal opportunity. Freedom is that anyone CAN achieve , doesn't mean that everyone is guaranteed to achieve 

Equal opportunity is not the same as guaranteeing  equal outcome!

[Zeek 16,649]

2 hours ago, Barnacle said:

People are asking about minority scholarships. I'm more interested in the retention aspect, which is even more important. Would love to know more about how the money is being used to accomplish that goal. Good stuff, Auburn. 

Going to a community College before entering a 4 year college is one of the most statistically beneficial ways to get all kids to graduate a 4 year university. 

The stigma of community colleges being "lame" or remedial needs to be removed. Also, I teach so many kids who won't go get their AA because they don't know what they want to do but for your associates it doesn't really matter.

High schools need more frank conversations. I talked with my seniors (when I taught that grade) about what they might want to be. Then had them research with me how to get to that job or career.

You would be absolutely floored to know how many kids think a teacher doesn't need any college education lol!

[Swamp Eagle 5,133]

5 hours ago, AURaptor said:

If you're talking about what i was referring to, with the 3 people trying to look over a fence  ( instead of buying a ticket ) , 2 already have it, and the 3rd - the youngest -  it'll be  a few years. 

If you're talking overall ? Never. Equity isn't possible in a free society . It's unnatural and shouldn't be sought after. 

Just judging by the picture on the right, it could be described as a kind gesture on the tall man’s part or Socialism at work. It only depends on if it was a random or forced action.

 

Now, to address the OP,  I’m proud of the effort with the shirts. Well done.

[johnnyAU 3,630]

9 hours ago, Zeek said:

The stigma of community colleges being "lame" or remedial needs to be removed.

The same could be said about trade schools.

[johnnyAU 3,630]

5 hours ago, Swamp Eagle said:

Just judging by the picture on the right, it could be described as a kind gesture on the tall man’s part or Socialism at work. It only depends on if it was a random or forced action.

The first thing that came to mind was a Father that took his sons to see a ball game, but wasn't paying attention at first. When he realized his short-sightedness, he made the necessary changes. 

Of course, it could have been more efficient to put the small kid on his shoulders and given the box to the next person who could have used it. 

I'm surprised there wasn't a 3rd picture with the Father standing on one box, and stacking the other 2 boxes so he could set his beer down, captioned "Tough Love".

[toddc 13,194]

1 hour ago, johnnyAU said:

The same could be said about trade schools.

Love Mike Rowe on this topic.

[Zeek 16,649]

3 hours ago, johnnyAU said:

The same could be said about trade schools.

Absolutely, I've been researching those more and more as I'm working towards being in administration. It's actually pretty cool the kinds of industry certifications kids can graduate high school with just by taking 3 or 4 classes before they graduate.

[TigerTale 357]

15 hours ago, Zeek said:

Going to a community College before entering a 4 year college is one of the most statistically beneficial ways to get all kids to graduate a 4 year university. 

The stigma of community colleges being "lame" or remedial needs to be removed. Also, I teach so many kids who won't go get their AA because they don't know what they want to do but for your associates it doesn't really matter.

High schools need more frank conversations. I talked with my seniors (when I taught that grade) about what they might want to be. Then had them research with me how to get to that job or career.

You would be absolutely floored to know how many kids think a teacher doesn't need any college education lol!

This right here all day. 2 years of community college would do so many kids a ton of good and potentially save them a lot of money along the way. I can attest to this from personal experience.

[steeleagle 2,945]

16 hours ago, Zeek said:

Going to a community College before entering a 4 year college is one of the most statistically beneficial ways to get all kids to graduate a 4 year university. 

The stigma of community colleges being "lame" or remedial needs to be removed. Also, I teach so many kids who won't go get their AA because they don't know what they want to do but for your associates it doesn't really matter.

High schools need more frank conversations. I talked with my seniors (when I taught that grade) about what they might want to be. Then had them research with me how to get to that job or career.

You would be absolutely floored to know how many kids think a teacher doesn't need any college education lol!

I agree. I made my son go to community college for 2 years before transferring to AUburn. He would have struggled to get through his first 2 years at a big college knowing his study habits and how he did in HS.

By doing it this way, he did well once he got to Auburn and graduated.

[DAG 33,977]

21 hours ago, toddc said:

You give inner city /poor areas school choice and I’ll bet anything their parents would find a way!

And you will be wrong . Learn about basic SES please.

[jared52 4,354]

On 9/11/2020 at 7:22 PM, toddc said:

You give inner city /poor areas school choice and I’ll bet anything their parents would find a way!

Most are being raised by a single parent who works 40-6 hours with little to no support. You really can’t “bet” on this. There would have to be robust solutions to make this work. 

[toddc 13,194]

11 hours ago, jared52 said:

Most are being raised by a single parent who works 40-6 hours with little to no support. You really can’t “bet” on this. There would have to be robust solutions to make this work. 

Okay, then it needs to be figured out because it will change the lives of 1000s of poor and inner city kids. It will give many of them a leg up in getting out of these areas and to  a better life.

[WarTim 3,456]

9 hours ago, toddc said:

Okay, then it needs to be figured out because it will change the lives of 1000s of poor and inner city kids. It will give many of them a leg up in getting out of these areas and to  a better life.

Those kids and parents should have the same opportunity as politicians and THEIR kids. Period 

[McLoofus 35,182]

On 9/11/2020 at 5:46 PM, jared52 said:

Honestly, after the COVID school-at-home stuff I have a brand new picture of just how hard it is for single parents to help their kids in school and feed them at the same time.

Let's all stay open and keep learning like this. Good stuff.

[countoff 331]

On 9/11/2020 at 10:51 AM, jared52 said:

That's not the message that has been going on for months. The unity aspect is that black and brown people want the same level of support as white people currently experience, along with extra help to bring them up to that level due to the years of being left behind.

Please tell me what the extra level of support is for a poor white kid vs. a poor black or brown kid.  When you're poor....you're poor and you struggle on many levels to get ahead regardless of the color of your skin.  And when your parents are wealthy you get a higher level of support.  Just ask the kids of Kobe Bryant or Will Smith or Jesse Jackson.  We should be looking at scholarships and school improvements (both elementary and high school) for all underprivileged communities without regard to whether they are minority or not.

If you want to stop racism, stop treating people differently based on their race. 

[jared52 4,354]

7 hours ago, countoff said:

Please tell me what the extra level of support is for a poor white kid vs. a poor black or brown kid.  When you're poor....you're poor and you struggle on many levels to get ahead regardless of the color of your skin.  And when your parents are wealthy you get a higher level of support.  Just ask the kids of Kobe Bryant or Will Smith or Jesse Jackson.  We should be looking at scholarships and school improvements (both elementary and high school) for all underprivileged communities without regard to whether they are minority or not.

If you want to stop racism, stop treating people differently based on their race. 

Understand that I am not arguing for or against these points, I’m stating the replies to the questions that are asked that I’ve heard as arguments. I don’t think there are any easy solutions because every situation is different. 

[Swamp Eagle 5,133]

On 9/13/2020 at 5:59 PM, WarTim said:

Those kids and parents should have the same opportunity as politicians and THEIR kids. Period 

That would include everyone’s kids, no?

[Swamp Eagle 5,133]

On 9/14/2020 at 1:36 PM, countoff said:

Please tell me what the extra level of support is for a poor white kid vs. a poor black or brown kid.  When you're poor....you're poor and you struggle on many levels to get ahead regardless of the color of your skin.  And when your parents are wealthy you get a higher level of support.  Just ask the kids of Kobe Bryant or Will Smith or Jesse Jackson.  We should be looking at scholarships and school improvements (both elementary and high school) for all underprivileged communities without regard to whether they are minority or not.

If you want to stop racism, stop treating people differently based on their race. 

It is curious how that seems to work in only one direction.

[WarTim 3,456]

4 hours ago, Swamp Eagle said:

That would include everyone’s kids, no?

Indeed yes. 

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[AUght2win 6,833]

On 9/11/2020 at 10:47 AM, Zeek said:

I believe this is the general idea.

Bad graphic. Equality is the goal, not equity. Everyone deserves equal treatment and opportunity, not equal results.