President Trump refuses to commit to a peaceful transfer of power

[TitanTiger 20,471]

Because he's not a president, he's a mob boss.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-trump-declines-commit-peaceful-transfer-power/story?id=73205708

[Leftfield 2,585]

34 minutes ago, TitanTiger said:

Because he's not a president, he's a mob boss.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-trump-declines-commit-peaceful-transfer-power/story?id=73205708

He's got something up his sleeve, no doubt. If he loses, I would not be the least bit surprised to see him do a 180 on the pandemic by suddenly proclaiming how dangerous it is and using some esoteric clause to keep power in order to guide the country through an emergency. Hell, at this point i wouldn't put it past him to start a war.

[jj3jordan 2,040]

You people are insane. If he loses he will disappear.  BTW who was it that actually did refuse to accept the results of an election???  Oh yeah Hillary.  And the entire democrat party. Including many on this board. You spent 4 years trying to reverse it or destroy it to no avail. So don’t come preaching to us about Trump refusing to accept the results.

[Brad_ATX 13,654]

2 minutes ago, jj3jordan said:

You people are insane. If he loses he will disappear.  BTW who was it that actually did refuse to accept the results of an election???  Oh yeah Hillary.  And the entire democrat party. Including many on this board. You spent 4 years trying to reverse it or destroy it to no avail. So don’t come preaching to us about Trump refusing to accept the results.

Show me again where Hillary didn't concede the election or that Obama didn't take part in a peaceful transfer of power?

And this comment today came directly from Trump.  You act like we're out here making this up.

[SocialCircle 570]

54 minutes ago, TitanTiger said:

Because he's not a president, he's a mob boss.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-trump-declines-commit-peaceful-transfer-power/story?id=73205708

This is disturbing to me and I also think there is a great risk of significant voter fraud this year. I think if Trump loses he will claim it was rigged and the election will get tied up in the courts and if Biden loses he will also get the election tied up in the courts and the left will burn cities like crazy. This country is in for a terrible November. 

[Leftfield 2,585]

44 minutes ago, jj3jordan said:

You people are insane. If he loses he will disappear. 

I will be more than happy to be proven wrong.

[gr82be 14,402]

Trump continues to play the media and they and much of the public continue to fall for it. They really need to stop feeding him layups because he'll make every one of them. 

[jj3jordan 2,040]

1 hour ago, Brad_ATX said:

Show me again where Hillary didn't concede the election or that Obama didn't take part in a peaceful transfer of power?

And this comment today came directly from Trump.  You act like we're out here making this up.

Nope never even implied you were making it up.  Why are you bringing up Obama? He was not involved. My comments were regarding Hillary accepting the outcome or lack thereof.  Maybe you have not followed her the past four years.  She may have conceded reluctantly and half heartedly but she never accepted it.  Neither did the democrat leadership or her many adoring fans and supporters. Never ending investigations of Trump when SHE was actually the one colluding with the russians.  Rest easy my friend. You will not see any tomfoolery if Trump loses.  Now if he wins??? Well here we go again.

[Brad_ATX 13,654]

24 minutes ago, jj3jordan said:

Nope never even implied you were making it up.  Why are you bringing up Obama? He was not involved. My comments were regarding Hillary accepting the outcome or lack thereof.  Maybe you have not followed her the past four years.  She may have conceded reluctantly and half heartedly but she never accepted it.  Neither did the democrat leadership or her many adoring fans and supporters. Never ending investigations of Trump when SHE was actually the one colluding with the russians.  Rest easy my friend. You will not see any tomfoolery if Trump loses.  Now if he wins??? Well here we go again.

Read the article.  It's about the peaceful transfer of power.  That's why I brought up Obama.

As for Hilary, I don't know what you want from her.  She conceded the election the day after election day when it was evident she would lose.  I don't know that can be construed as anything other than accepting the results from her.

And yeah, I fully expect tomfoolery if Trump loses.  He's literally already laying the groundwork.

[bigbird 60,368]

1 hour ago, Brad_ATX said:

I fully expect tomfoolery if Trump loses. 

I'm sure he'll claim something, but do people really think he could get away with it?  If he didn't transfer power, he would be forcibly removed. Congress, the court, and the military would ensure it. He wouldn't have a choice, no matter what plans or groundwork he has in place. JMO

[McLoofus 35,182]

7 hours ago, bigbird said:

I'm sure he'll claim something, but do people really think he could get away with it?  If he didn't transfer power, he would be forcibly removed. Congress, the court, and the military would ensure it. He wouldn't have a choice, no matter what plans or groundwork he has in place. JMO

Lots of pieces already written about how none of this is guaranteed and how he very well could get away with it. 

A lot of us brought this up a long time ago and y'all laughed. I remember @homersapien took a lot of abuse in particular for saying this exact thing was going to happen. This is why we've been using the word "crisis" and why, as much as you want it to be true, no, Biden is not the same as trump. Not by a ******* country mile. 

Just unbelievable that all the signs have been ignored by so many all this time. 

[TitanTiger 20,471]

9 hours ago, gr82be said:

Trump continues to play the media and they and much of the public continue to fall for it. They really need to stop feeding him layups because he'll make every one of them. 

Yes, anytime Trump says something stupid, offensive, or concerning it's always because he's just messing with the media.  You must take your kool-aid intravenously by the barrel.

[McLoofus 35,182]

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Close students of election law and procedure are warning that conditions are ripe for a constitutional crisis that would leave the nation without an authoritative result. We have no fail-safe against that calamity. Thus the blinking red lights.

“We could well see a protracted postelection struggle in the courts and the streets if the results are close,” says Richard L. Hasen, a professor at the UC Irvine School of Law and the author of a recent book called Election Meltdown. “The kind of election meltdown we could see would be much worse than 2000’s Bush v. Gore case.”

A lot of people, including Joe Biden, the Democratic Party nominee, have mis­conceived the nature of the threat. They frame it as a concern, unthinkable for presidents past, that Trump might refuse to vacate the Oval Office if he loses. They generally conclude, as Biden has, that in that event the proper authorities “will escort him from the White House with great dispatch.”
 

The worst case, however, is not that Trump rejects the election outcome. The worst case is that he uses his power to prevent a decisive outcome against him. If Trump sheds all restraint, and if his Republican allies play the parts he assigns them, he could obstruct the emergence of a legally unambiguous victory for Biden in the Electoral College and then in Congress. He could prevent the formation of consensus about whether there is any outcome at all. He could seize on that un­certainty to hold on to power.

Trump’s state and national legal teams are already laying the groundwork for postelection maneuvers that would circumvent the results of the vote count in battleground states. Ambiguities in the Constitution and logic bombs in the Electoral Count Act make it possible to extend the dispute all the way to Inauguration Day, which would bring the nation to a precipice. The Twentieth Amendment is crystal clear that the president’s term in office “shall end” at noon on January 20, but two men could show up to be sworn in. One of them would arrive with all the tools and power of the presidency already in hand.

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/11/what-if-trump-refuses-concede/616424/?fbclid=IwAR17S56qOw4JUzIoM5dIcpfksvIqfx0f0PGgMM9VPgOJ_-KIMieXvFVOoyE

[Grumps 3,693]

14 minutes ago, TitanTiger said:

Yes, anytime Trump says something stupid, offensive, or concerning it's always because he's just messing with the media.  You must take your kool-aid intravenously by the barrel.

Trump is not "just messing with the media." He is using the media's stupid question to excite his base.

Do you think the question was reasonable? If I ask you, "Will you accept the results of the upcoming election?" you will not say "yes" because you have no idea what might happen. There would be no good reason for you to answer the question without knowing how the election results will be determined. I think Trump feels the same way about the question that he was asked.

Trump may be a scumbag, but he's not stupid all of the time.

[jared52 4,354]

45 minutes ago, TitanTiger said:

Yes, anytime Trump says something stupid, offensive, or concerning it's always because he's just messing with the media.  You must take your kool-aid intravenously by the barrel.

I have zero love for the guy, but I 100% believe that many of his comments are either messing with the media, him being taken out of context to fit a narrative (which may or may not be true), or him being a typical rich person who has no idea what it's like to be the vast majority Americans. He's going to get trounced in Nov because of it though. 

[aubiefifty 16,713]

the man is evil. he is saying if he loses he will not except mail in votes and he will not give up the white house period. he claims vast cheating but cannot name a source and he himself did the mail in voting. he is so scared of paying for crimes he has committed while in office he is literally in favor of destroying this country or trying to. he said it last night and has said it several times before and yet you guys think biden is mentally off. where are you better angels that think america is better than this? where are his followers that love the country more than they love trump? why are you not speaking out? i think one person said it would never happen but the man will not let it alone and is trying to turn America into a ****hole third world country. his favorite people are dictators as we have seen the love for the north korea dude and putin. and he has a long history of corruption you guys ignored and still ignore. even many evangelicals say "well look at what david did". trump is not david. trump is not god. he is not fit to be in office and you guys throw out fake news or we do not understand him or he is just kidding. i mean how many more excuses ya got left? it is shameful and he needs to be reined in but you folks or most of on the right will not stand up and tell him to knock it off. you put him in office and if you do not stand up to him as his "base" you are just as guilty as he is.

[TitanTiger 20,471]

3 minutes ago, jared52 said:

I have zero love for the guy, but I 100% believe that many of his comments are either messing with the media, him being taken out of context to fit a narrative (which may or may not be true), or him being a typical rich person who has no idea what it's like to be the vast majority Americans. He's going to get trounced in Nov because of it though. 

I think some of them are.  But I also think he just lacks a filter and says things he actually thinks - blurting them out without considering the ramifications.

Part of the problem is that he treats all of this like some kind of joke at times and that's not a good quality in a leader as powerful as the President of the United States.  When you say s*** like this, you're not just messing with the press, you're messing with the American people.  Leave the trolling to the losers in mom's basement.

[aubiefifty 16,713]

excuses excuses excuses. this is so embarrassing to our great country and some of you dare to say Obama made our country look bad?

[jared52 4,354]

3 minutes ago, TitanTiger said:

I think some of them are.  But I also think he just lacks a filter and says things he actually thinks - blurting them out without considering the ramifications.

Part of the problem is that he treats all of this like some kind of joke at times and that's not a good quality in a leader as powerful as the President of the United States.  When you say s*** like this, you're not just messing with the press, you're messing with the American people.  Leave the trolling to the losers in mom's basement.

Oh 100%, that's why I said the "no idea what it's like to be the vast majority Americans" part. He can literally do anything he wants without impunity right now. I want to think I know how he thinks, but the more I see him the more I don't get him. Again, I just chalk it up to the fact that he hasn't been held accountable for anything in a very, very long time. That can warp a mind I'm sure. Same goes for the other million and billionaires in politics. Running a country is hard, that's why the Founders put so many things in place to make sure one person doesn't shoulder the burden. Frankly, Trump can say all he wants about not accepting the election, but he will be out the door in January and he can steal all the B's from the keyboards on the way out if that makes him feel better, but to think there's going to be some kind of coup is probably a bit silly. Just because Trump says a thing doesn't mean he's going to do it, or take it to it's fullest like the wall.

[aubiefifty 16,713]

39 minutes ago, Grumps said:

Trump is not "just messing with the media." He is using the media's stupid question to excite his base.

Do you think the question was reasonable? If I ask you, "Will you accept the results of the upcoming election?" you will not say "yes" because you have no idea what might happen. There would be no good reason for you to answer the question without knowing how the election results will be determined. I think Trump feels the same way about the question that he was asked.

Trump may be a scumbag, but he's not stupid all of the time.

a real president would say yes unless there are glaring irregularities and then we will seek the correct solution and what is best for the country going forward. repubs are gerrymandering voting and making it harder and harder for dems to vote. stuff like texas allowing one voting place per county. they sure tried it. trump then put a buddy in the post office to slow down the mail so he would have another advantage.whether it was removing fast mail sorters or just how ever he could is not yet known.and this cat is one of his biggest donors. and now he is crying the election is going to be rigged against him so he might not give up power. hell he has been replacing judges as hard as he can and many assume it is so if the contest is contested it will go to a conservative thus giving him an advantage. and you people are silent.

[McLoofus 35,182]

3 minutes ago, jared52 said:

to think there's going to be some kind of coup is probably a bit silly

And this apathy, even more than actual right-wing extremists, is why we are well and truly ******. 

[aubiefifty 16,713]

he is doing this because when he leaves office he is going to jail and he is desperate. desperate people will do anything. anything........

[TitanTiger 20,471]

48 minutes ago, Grumps said:

Trump is not "just messing with the media." He is using the media's stupid question to excite his base.

Do you think the question was reasonable? If I ask you, "Will you accept the results of the upcoming election?" you will not say "yes" because you have no idea what might happen. There would be no good reason for you to answer the question without knowing how the election results will be determined. I think Trump feels the same way about the question that he was asked.

Trump may be a scumbag, but he's not stupid all of the time.

There was one answer to that question and even that could be said with tone to convey that you think it's a ridiculous question:  "Yes, of course there will be a peaceful transfer.  No question."

Say it sarcastically and you can convey how dumb it was to ask.  Say it seriously and matter of fact, and you've dismissed the issue entirely.

What you don't do in that situation is raise doubt.

[gr82be 14,402]

1 hour ago, TitanTiger said:

Yes, anytime Trump says something stupid, offensive, or concerning it's always because he's just messing with the media.  You must take your kool-aid intravenously by the barrel.

Yes, orange. 

 

[McLoofus 35,182]

3 minutes ago, aubiefifty said:

he is doing this because when he leaves office he is going to jail and he is desperate. desperate people will do anything. anything........

That is probably part of it, but I think the bigger issue is that he is using the office to enrich himself and his family and- since he is incapable of succeeding at business based by any legitimate means- he is desperate to not get thrown off this gravy train.