homersapien 11,270 Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Sen.-elect Tommy Tuberville (R.-Ala.) poses for a portrait on Feb. 22. (Elijah Nouvelage/For The Washington Post) Opinion by Dana Milbank Columnist Dec. 21, 2020 President-unelect Trump has studied every play in the Coups-for-Dummies playbook: court challenges, pressure on Republican officials to overturn the election, even a half-baked plan for martial law from pardoned convict Michael Flynn. But no luck. Now, Trump’s final hope rests with Tommy Tuberville. This is like finding out your death-row appeal will be argued by Sidney Powell. Tuberville — or “Tubs,” from his college football coaching days — is the Republican senator-elect from Alabama, and he’s proposing to object to the election results in the Senate on Jan. 6. Trump exulted: “Great senator.” Problem is, Tubs, if he were a Democrat, is what Trump might call a “low-IQ individual.” In their wisdom, the voters of Alabama chose to replace Democrat Doug Jones, who prosecuted the Birmingham church bombing, with a man who recently announced his discovery that there are “three branches of government,” namely, “the House, the Senate and the executive.” In an interview with the Alabama Daily News, he also offered the insight that World War II was not, as many suppose, a conflict against Nazism. “My dad fought 76 years ago in Europe to free Europe of socialism,” he said. He further informed the newspaper that “in 2000 Al Gore was president, United States, president-elect, for 30 days.” (Actual number of days Gore spent as president-elect: zero.) For obvious reasons, Tubs avoided debates and interviews during the campaign. Even so, he imparted some extraordinary wisdom. On climate change: “There’s one person that changes the climate in this country and that’s God,” he told Alabama’s Daily Mountain Eagle. On the opioid epidemic: “It’s not just opioids now, it’s heroin …” On health care: “We don’t have the answer until we go back to open up being a capitalistic health-care system where we have more than one insurance company.” (There are 952 health insurers in the United States.) On education: “We’ve taken God out of the schools and we’ve replaced the schools with metal detectors.” Tubs has declared his desire to serve on the Senate “banking finance” committee, apparently unaware that banking and finance are separate committees — and that he is ineligible to serve on banking because Alabama’s senior Republican senator already does. Tuberville’s Senate campaign (in which he also defeated former attorney general Jeff Sessions) was a magical voyage of discovery, as he learned about such things as advice and consent. Senators “confirm judges all across the country, federal judges, and get them in place,” he marveled. He also seemed to have no clue what the landmark Voting Rights Act was, telling Rotarians: “It’s, you know ― there’s a lot of different things you can look at it as, you know, who’s it going to help? What direction do we need to go with it? I think it’s important that everything we do we keep secure. We keep an eye on it. It’s run by our government. And it’s run to the, to the point that we, it’s got structure to it. It’s like education.” Now this genius wants to make his first act as senator a doomed, symbolic challenge to the election that forces Republican colleagues into an embarrassing vote. Trump will soon be gone. But as long as there are mental giants such as Tubs, Trumpism will remain. Tuberville had a mixed record as a football coach at Auburn, Cincinnati and Texas Tech. He had a brief broadcasting career with ESPN, once confusing Iowa and Iowa State, and, when asked for a game analysis, replying on hot mic, “Y’all make me do this s---.” He also established his financial naivete: His business partner in a hedge fund pleaded guilty to fraud; Tuberville claimed he knew nothing. Tubs also was lured to invest in an alleged Ponzi scheme. He set up a foundation to help veterans, but veterans got only a third of the money raised. As a candidate, Tubs offered exotic views on why rural hospitals closed (“because we don’t have Internet”), on impeachment (“I’ve been trying to keep up with it but it’s so hard”) and on constitutional democracy (“We’d probably get more done with just the president running this country. So let the Democrats go home”). Tuberville was baffled by the vote counting after Election Day (“The referees are suddenly adding touchdowns to the other team’s side of the scoreboard”), and last week said he plans a Senate challenge to the electoral college tally. Would you expect otherwise from this champion of civics education? “We’ve gotten away from teaching … history, civics, government,” he observed. And another time, “We’ve got to get our education back on the right track … we’re going to educate several generations in this country that really don’t understand this country.” Eventually, people might not even know the three branches of government. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/12/21/tommy-tuberville-is-making-strong-bid-become-senates-dimmest-member/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKW 86 7,365 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Well at least he didn’t get his degree from Auburn...lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaltyTiger 7,675 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 20 hours ago, homersapien said: Now, Trump’s final hope rests with Tommy Tuberville. The "martial law" thing offers the better chance. What do you think Brother Homer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,270 Posted December 24, 2020 Author Share Posted December 24, 2020 On 12/23/2020 at 10:52 AM, SaltyTiger said: The "martial law" thing offers the better chance. What do you think Brother Homer? Actually I hope he does try to declare martial law. I've become curious to see if there's any threshold of behavior that would prompt you to take him seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaltyTiger 7,675 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 15 hours ago, homersapien said: Actually I hope he does declare martial law. I've become curious to see if there's any threshold of behavior that would prompt you to take him seriously. Do you think he is serious about overturning the election? 70 million people voted for the man. What percentage, your opinion, would back him? https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/12/24/could-trump-declare-martial-law-try-steal-election/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,270 Posted December 24, 2020 Author Share Posted December 24, 2020 1 hour ago, SaltyTiger said: Do you think he is serious about overturning the election? 70 million people voted for the man. What percentage, your opinion, would back him? https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/12/24/could-trump-declare-martial-law-try-steal-election/ Of course I think he's serious. Do you think I have been just kidding all along in describing him as a narcissistic sociopath? Many think the reason he just blew up the covid aid package was to strike back at McConnel for having the temerity to acknowledge Biden president-elect. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/12/24/house-republicans-trump-covid-relief/ As to whether or not he actually believes he could pull it off, it's hard to tell. He undoubtedly knows this is a way to raise more money - for himself - by fleecing the MAGAs. As for how many MAGAs would support him, I have no idea. Presumably, some - if not most of them - will accept the reality it can't happen. But the host on local 106.3 "Word" radio said this morning if protests turn "kinetic" he was ready. How many million wackos do you suppose we have in this country? An ex-cop held an A/C repairman at gunpoint over a false claim he had 750,000 fake ballots, police said https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/12/16/aguirre-texas-cop-election-fraud/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaltyTiger 7,675 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 30 minutes ago, homersapien said: Of course I think he's serious. Do you think I have been just kidding all along in describing him as a narcissistic sociopath? Many think the reason he just blew up the covid aid package was to strike back at McConnel for having the temerity to acknowledge Biden president-elect. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/12/24/house-republicans-trump-covid-relief/ As to whether or not he actually believes he could pull it off, it's hard to tell. He undoubtedly knows this is a way to raise more money - for himself - by fleecing the MAGAs. As for how many MAGAs would support him, I have no idea. Presumably, some - if not most of them - will accept the reality it can't happen. But the host on local 106.3 "Word" radio said this morning if protests turn "kinetic" he was ready. How many million wackos do you suppose we have in this country? An ex-cop held an A/C repairman at gunpoint over a false claim he had 750,000 fake ballots, police said https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/12/16/aguirre-texas-cop-election-fraud/ Seems the covid aid package does have some problems and Trump does have his opinion. https://www.npr.org/2020/12/24/949981400/all-is-not-calm-congress-scrambles-after-trump-blasts-covid-19-relief-package "They have conveniently ignored the concerns expressed by the President, and shared by our constituents, that we ought to reexamine how our tax dollars are spent overseas while so many of our neighbors at home are struggling to make ends meet," the letter said. I doubt their are enough MAGA's that would offer support required to steal the election. Who is the host of 106.3 and how is he "ready"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,270 Posted December 24, 2020 Author Share Posted December 24, 2020 1 hour ago, SaltyTiger said: I doubt their are enough MAGA's that would offer support required to steal the election. Apparently they don't feel they are "offering support to steal the election", they believe the election was stolen from Trump in the first place: https://www.npr.org/2020/12/09/944385798/poll-just-a-quarter-of-republicans-accept-election-outcome https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/11/18/half-of-republicans-think-trump-rightfully-won-election-poll-finds/?sh=3eb467849e11 https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/politics/congress-republicans-trump-election-claims/ .......etc. And of course: More than half of House Republicans support Texas lawsuit challenging election results https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/house-republicans-trump-lawsuit/2020/12/10/a075271c-3b38-11eb-9276-ae0ca72729be_story.html Quote Who is the host of 106.3 and how is he "ready"? It wasn't their regular host it was a local fill in. Didn't get the name. The implication was he was personally "ready to join in the fight", if and when the protests went from peaceful to "kinetic". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaltyTiger 7,675 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 13 minutes ago, homersapien said: 1 hour ago, SaltyTiger said: Apparently they don't feel they are "offering support to steal the election", they believe the election was stolen from Trump in the first place: Seems to be were are now. The 2016 election was never accepted by democrats. Tried to dismantle it for 4 plus years now. 17 minutes ago, homersapien said: The implication was he was "ready to join in the fight", if and when the protests went from peaceful to "kinetic". So a threat in a sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdefromtx 3,159 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 9 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said: Seems to be were are now. The 2016 election was never accepted by democrats. Tried to dismantle it for 4 plus years now. So a threat in a sense? We get four more years of people whining about the legitimacy of the election of the sitting president. Yay!! Yet democrats think they are the only ones that can refuse to accept the election results. Sounds like that host is threatening violence. Biden won so the while protesting may occur, we shouldn’t see rioting and looting......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,270 Posted December 24, 2020 Author Share Posted December 24, 2020 13 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said: Seems to be were are now. The 2016 election was never accepted by democrats. Tried to dismantle it for 4 plus years now. That's just total BS. You really are a MAGA cultist aren't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaltyTiger 7,675 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, homersapien said: You really are a MAGA cultist aren't you? No, a bit disappointed in Trump. Not a veterinarian either but recognize a horse ass when I see one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdefromtx 3,159 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 15 minutes ago, homersapien said: That's just total BS. You really are a MAGA cultist aren't you? Ummmm all we heard was "not my president" for 4 years. If he is a MAGA cultist you must be a Lap Dog in your cult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,270 Posted December 24, 2020 Author Share Posted December 24, 2020 10 minutes ago, wdefromtx said: We get four more years of people whining about the legitimacy of the election of the sitting president. Yay!! Yet democrats think they are the only ones that can refuse to accept the election results. Sounds like that host is threatening violence. Biden won so the while protesting may occur, we shouldn’t see rioting and looting......... The Democrats did not "refuse the results of the 2016 election". That is just total BS, and you know it. (At least I hope you do, otherwise I have given you way too much intellectual credit.) And no one has been whining about the "legitimacy" of Trump's presidency. The criticism of Trump is based on his corruption and autocratic actions - which are clearly still in evidence. The fact he was legitimately elected in 2016 has never been in question. In fact, the only one who has disputed the legitimacy of the 2016 election is Trump himself, who falsely asserted he lost the popular vote due to fraud. Do you seriously believe that? Remember, he established a commission to prove it. They quickly disbanded due to lack of evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,270 Posted December 24, 2020 Author Share Posted December 24, 2020 15 minutes ago, wdefromtx said: Ummmm all we heard was "not my president" for 4 years. If he is a MAGA cultist you must be a Lap Dog in your cult. Never heard it from me. Unfortunately, thanks to a terrible Democratic candidate and the number of gullible fools who voted for Trump, he became the POTUS of all Americans. Thankfully we rectified that terrible error last month. Since 2016, I have simply told the truth about our president: He's a lying narcissistic sociopathic con man who craves authoritarian power and couldn't care less about the country or anyone else in it. You need to up your game or you're going to wind up back on my "ignore list" as not being worth my effort to engage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,270 Posted December 24, 2020 Author Share Posted December 24, 2020 37 minutes ago, SaltyTiger said: No, a bit disappointed in Trump. Not a veterinarian either but recognize a horse ass when I see one. Then why did you say "the 2016 was never accepted by Democrats" (a lie), thus clearly implying an equivalency between the Democrats dismay over Trump's 2016 election and Trump's ongoing refusal to accept the legitimacy of the 2020 election? That certainly sounds like something only a MAGA cultist would imagine. (FWIW, I don't really put you in that category, but sometimes you make me wonder with your constant defense of Trump.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autigeremt 6,523 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 LMAO! The hypocrisy is so heavy in here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,270 Posted December 24, 2020 Author Share Posted December 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, autigeremt said: LMAO! The hypocrisy is so heavy in here. What hypocrisy exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdefromtx 3,159 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, homersapien said: Never heard it from me. Unfortunately, thanks to a terrible Democratic candidate and the number of gullible fools who voted for Trump, he became the POTUS of all Americans. Thankfully we rectified that terrible error last month. Since 2016, I have simply told the truth about our president: He's a lying narcissistic sociopathic con man who craves authoritarian power and couldn't care less about the country or anyone else in it. You need to up your game on you're going to wind up back on my "ignore list" as not being worth my effort to engage. I am just saying you act like democrats didn't refuse to accept the results of 2016? They did, and I am not necessarily meaning only politicians. I am talking about democrats I personally heard, see and know that said they refuse to accept it and saw all the cries of "not my president." You are completely lying to yourself if you really believe people weren't saying this. So try again. If you are talking about the Republicans in office saying this now, I suspect that they are saying this to keep Trump off their back. We already know that Trump is going to go full "scorched earth" on his way out and they probably think it is best to be a Trump Bootlicker. As far as Tubs goes he should have just kept his move shut. On the other hand, he is representing his constituent's wishes so there's that. At least he is keeping his word as opposed to most other politicians even if it makes him look like an idiot. The only thing that makes Trump any different than the other politician's is his tantrums he throws. He acts like a toddler that is grabbing all his toys because others disagreed. All other politicians lie and don't care about this country or anyone in it. Look at the mess we have going on right now. They all have ulterior motives to why they included certain aspects in these bills. Otherwise we'd see the money being spent where it needs to be and not other countries, "hand me outs", museums we don't need now, corporate bailouts (not covid related), more tax write off extensions, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdefromtx 3,159 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 8 minutes ago, autigeremt said: LMAO! The hypocrisy is so heavy in here. I know right. Blatantly lying. LMAO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdefromtx 3,159 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, homersapien said: What hypocrisy exactly? Your lying about democrats not accepting Trump. John Lewis on Trump: ‘I don’t see this president-elect as a legitimate president’ - POLITICOBack ButtonSearch IconFilter Icon Rep. Gerry Connolly announces he will not attend inauguration | Headlines | insidenova.com Jimmy Carter says Trump wouldn’t be president without help from Russia - The Washington Post Do you want me to provide more proof? Or will you just ignore the facts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaltyTiger 7,675 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 1 hour ago, homersapien said: Then why did you say "the 2016 was never accepted by Democrats" (a lie), It is not a lie. It is my perception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,270 Posted December 25, 2020 Author Share Posted December 25, 2020 2 hours ago, SaltyTiger said: It is not a lie. It is my perception. But as a general statement, it is certainly not true. Therefore, your "perception" is erroneous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,270 Posted December 25, 2020 Author Share Posted December 25, 2020 4 hours ago, wdefromtx said: Your lying about democrats not accepting Trump. John Lewis on Trump: ‘I don’t see this president-elect as a legitimate president’ - POLITICOBack ButtonSearch IconFilter Icon Rep. Gerry Connolly announces he will not attend inauguration | Headlines | insidenova.com Jimmy Carter says Trump wouldn’t be president without help from Russia - The Washington Post Do you want me to provide more proof? Or will you just ignore the facts? Those are various individual opinions of Trump's character and suitability for the office -just like mine. (Which were/are correct.) Personal opinions of the winner do not constitute a challenge to the legitimacy of the outcome. That's a fact Hillary - as the leader of the Democratic party conceded the election. There were zero legal challenges to the election made by the Democratic party. It was generally accepted by the Democrats as legitimate, regardless of whatever their personal assessments of Trump's worthiness to hold the office. There were no serious Democratic accusations of of wide spread state election fraud, no mass filing of lawsuits, no rhetorical attacks on state government officials, no organized effort or rallies reinforcing the notion the election was stolen, no legislative challenges to the Senate approving the electoral college vote............ Compare that to what's happening now. Trump - and most Republicans - are mounting attacks on the very foundation of our system, especially the peaceful transfer of power. It's disgraceful, seditious behavior. To suggest there is some sort of equivalency between what is happening now and how the Democrats responded in 2016 is absurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,270 Posted December 25, 2020 Author Share Posted December 25, 2020 5 hours ago, wdefromtx said: I know right. Blatantly lying. LMAO I am not "lying". You apparently don't understand the question at issue, probably because you are blatantly dense. Here's a hint, go back to the OP. What's it about? Did the Democrats mount such an effort to formally oppose the Senate's approval of the electoral college outcome? (And I suggest you let emt speak for himself, unless you are working as some sort of tag team. I still don't know what he was calling hypocrisy.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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