autigeremt 2,785 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) ANTIFA decides that Biden isn’t left enough. https://www.google.com/amp/s/komonews.com/amp/news/local/anti-ice-protesters-march-through-downtown-seattle Edited January 23 by autigeremt 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DKW 86 4,118 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 lets see if they are allowed to go 100 Days this time...lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brad_ATX 9,007 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) Don't know that I would describe 100 people in Seattle as "protests erupt". But do hope that the city leadership gets it under control quickly. Protest all you want. Don't break ****. Pretty simple. Edited January 22 by Brad_ATX 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigbird 31,969 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 9 hours ago, Brad_ATX said: Protest all you want. Don't break ****. Pretty simple. There is a major difference 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CleCoTiger 1,711 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 12 hours ago, autigeremt said: ANTIFA decides that Biden isn’t left enough. https://www.google.com/amp/s/komonews.com/amp/news/local/anti-ice-protesters-march-through-downtown-seattle Anarchists. Not Antifa. https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2021-01-20/rejecting-biden-unity-message-portland-anarchists-target-democratic-party-building 1 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DKW 86 4,118 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 3 hours ago, CleCoTiger said: Anarchists. Not Antifa. https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2021-01-20/rejecting-biden-unity-message-portland-anarchists-target-democratic-party-building Wow, Bro, total fail.... Folks, Antifa logos.....The Three Arrows are widely included on Antifa International literature, flags, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Arrows The first two Three Arrows Logos are straight from Antifa Websites. These are from the Wiki Page on where they came from. Thumb downing facts doesnt change the reality that they are still facts, Mr Trump Edited January 22 by DKW 86 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AUDub 7,881 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Antifa and anarchists are distinct factions, but there is going to be a lot of overlap in the Portland area, particularly regarding the Black Bloc. 1 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DKW 86 4,118 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, AUDub said: Antifa and anarchists are distinct factions, but there is going to be a lot of overlap in the Portland area, particularly regarding the Black Bloc. There is no Black Bloc, it is just a tactic. https://www.newsweek.com/2017/02/24/berkeley-protest-milo-yiannopoulos-black-bloc-556264.html What people on both sides of this argument need to understand is that black bloc isn't a group; it's just a tactic. Those who do it wear black, sometimes between layers of "civilian" clothes so they can slip in and out of their protester ensembles. They often carry gear that is defensive (masks to protect against tear gas), offensive (Molotov cocktails) or both (a placard that can double as a shield). They attack storefronts and clash with police in a "hit and run" style, University of San Francisco associate professor Jeffrey Paris has written. There is no formal network of people and no set principles, just a belief that demonstrating peacefully doesn't accomplish nearly as much as a flash of rage. A 2008 guide published online by CrimethInc., a network for anonymous collective action, says, "Don't get caught! Stay safe(r) and smash the state!" A black bloc "communiqué" from 1999 says, "A storefront window becomes a vent to let some fresh air into the oppressive atmosphere of a retail outlet…. A building facade becomes a message board to record brainstorm ideas for a better world." The German press coined the term black bloc in the 1980s, when activists in that country demonstrated for squatters' rights and other causes. In 1987, The New York Times described a German black bloc as "a radical and embittered fringe" that burned cars, smashed windows and hurled bottles and firecrackers. Activists went on to use the strategy in Canada, Brazil, the United Kingdom, Italy, Switzerland and, during the Arab Spring, Egypt. In the early 1990s, it appeared in the United States during protests against the Gulf War, and in 1999 it gained traction during a World Trade Organization conference in Seattle, when activists used sledgehammers, eggs filled with glass-etching solution and other equipment. The people who use black blocs are generally affiliated with anarchist or anti-fascist movements, whose members often overlap, despite some ideological differences. One activist has said that this country's anarchist movement was "reborn" after that event, and that anarchism now "is always going to be married to the Black Bloc tactic." Though evidence of right-wing activists using the strategy is sparse, Craig Toennies, a member of the anarchist collective Occupy Los Angeles Anti Social Media (OLAASM) and a past black bloc participant, says by email that "black blocs are merely a tactic and can be replicated by anyone, anywhere and at any time." 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AUDub 7,881 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 13 minutes ago, DKW 86 said: There is no Black Bloc, it is just a tactic. https://www.newsweek.com/2017/02/24/berkeley-protest-milo-yiannopoulos-black-bloc-556264.html What people on both sides of this argument need to understand is that black bloc isn't a group; it's just a tactic. Those who do it wear black, sometimes between layers of "civilian" clothes so they can slip in and out of their protester ensembles. They often carry gear that is defensive (masks to protect against tear gas), offensive (Molotov cocktails) or both (a placard that can double as a shield). They attack storefronts and clash with police in a "hit and run" style, University of San Francisco associate professor Jeffrey Paris has written. There is no formal network of people and no set principles, just a belief that demonstrating peacefully doesn't accomplish nearly as much as a flash of rage. A 2008 guide published online by CrimethInc., a network for anonymous collective action, says, "Don't get caught! Stay safe(r) and smash the state!" A black bloc "communiqué" from 1999 says, "A storefront window becomes a vent to let some fresh air into the oppressive atmosphere of a retail outlet…. A building facade becomes a message board to record brainstorm ideas for a better world." The German press coined the term black bloc in the 1980s, when activists in that country demonstrated for squatters' rights and other causes. In 1987, The New York Times described a German black bloc as "a radical and embittered fringe" that burned cars, smashed windows and hurled bottles and firecrackers. Activists went on to use the strategy in Canada, Brazil, the United Kingdom, Italy, Switzerland and, during the Arab Spring, Egypt. In the early 1990s, it appeared in the United States during protests against the Gulf War, and in 1999 it gained traction during a World Trade Organization conference in Seattle, when activists used sledgehammers, eggs filled with glass-etching solution and other equipment. The people who use black blocs are generally affiliated with anarchist or anti-fascist movements, whose members often overlap, despite some ideological differences. One activist has said that this country's anarchist movement was "reborn" after that event, and that anarchism now "is always going to be married to the Black Bloc tactic." Though evidence of right-wing activists using the strategy is sparse, Craig Toennies, a member of the anarchist collective Occupy Los Angeles Anti Social Media (OLAASM) and a past black bloc participant, says by email that "black blocs are merely a tactic and can be replicated by anyone, anywhere and at any time." Correct. When the Black Bloc is utilized, I guarantee you the lion's share of those wanting to knock heads and wreck s*** is mostly comprised of these self identified "anarchists." 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AUDub 7,881 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 17 minutes ago, DKW 86 said: The people who use black blocs are generally affiliated with anarchist or anti-fascist movements, whose members often overlap, despite some ideological differences. In fact your article makes the same connection. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
McLoofus 27,184 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 14 hours ago, Brad_ATX said: Don't know that I would describe 100 people in Seattle as "protests erupt". That's what they call "a day ending in Y" in any major city since the 2016 election. Always telling, though, when people are more disturbed by a few broken windows than by actual terrorism and hate crimes. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DKW 86 4,118 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 2 hours ago, AUDub said: In fact your article makes the same connection. And your folks knocking heads were carrying AF logos on their signs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AUDub 7,881 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 5 minutes ago, DKW 86 said: And your folks knocking heads were carrying AF logos on their signs. And that is why I said there is overlap. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
woodford 520 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Guys, ANTIFA and anarchists are NOT the same smh there’s a huge difference 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CleCoTiger 1,711 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 6 hours ago, DKW 86 said: Wow, Bro, total fail.... Folks, Antifa logos.....The Three Arrows are widely included on Antifa International literature, flags, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Arrows The first two Three Arrows Logos are straight from Antifa Websites. There are no Antifa web sites. Antifa is an ideology (against fascism), not an organization. But hey...you saw that stuff on Wikipedia. So it MUST be true. LoL's! Check Google Images for Anarchist symbols. Edited January 22 by CleCoTiger 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
I_M4_AU 3,423 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, CleCoTiger said: Antifa is an ideology (against fascism), not an organization. Did you get this from your cult leader? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CleCoTiger 1,711 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 minute ago, I_M4_AU said: Did you get this from your cult leader? George Soros pays me to say this stuff. Or so I heard. 😄 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
I_M4_AU 3,423 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Just now, CleCoTiger said: George Soros pays me to say this stuff. Or so I heard. 😄 I’ve never heard George Soros say that, only Dear Leader Biden. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CleCoTiger 1,711 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Just now, I_M4_AU said: I’ve never heard George Soros say that, only Dear Leader Biden. Get it right. It's Comrade Supreme Leader Biden. LoL's! 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DKW 86 4,118 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 8 hours ago, CleCoTiger said: There are no Antifa web sites. Antifa is an ideology (against fascism), not an organization. But hey...you saw that stuff on Wikipedia. So it MUST be true. LoL's! Check Google Images for Anarchist symbols. They were taken straight from a Website for Antifa International WTG Mr Trump... You are THE FUNNIEST POSTER ON THIS SITE. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DKW 86 4,118 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 10 hours ago, woodford said: Guys, ANTIFA and anarchists are NOT the same smh there’s a huge difference Then what are the facts involved when you have protesters carrying signs with logos from both? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DKW 86 4,118 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) So far we have decided that: 1) There are "Black Bloc Tactics" and they can and are used by AntiFa and Anarchists. There is no Black Bloc. 2) That AntiFa and Anarchists are two completely different entities, but that they are not really entities, because they are not organized and even though they are not organized and have no rules nor bylaws they are COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY Separate and Different even when you can plainly see the logos for AF and Anarchists ON THE SAME DAMN SIGNS AND FLAGS. 3) That even though AF and Anarchists are completely and separate unorganized groups, there is overlap, especially in Portland and OR itself. Even though they are COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY Separate and Different 4) They both hate Biden and refuse to fall in behind the Federal Govt nor any local govt, but that MAYBE? okay because some reason...I am too confused to try and figure out. 5) That Antifa doesnt have websites even though Antifa Websites are linked, but Antifa is still totally unorganized and not really an entity, but they have websites: https://antifainternational.tumblr.com/ Organized Funds: https://actionnetwork.org/fundraising/the-international-anti-fascist-defence-fund Defense Funds: https://fundrazr.com/campaigns/e17KK4 Twitter Accounts: 6) That facts really dont matter here anymore as long as the narrative, no matter how counter to facts, is maintained. Edited January 23 by DKW 86 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
woodford 520 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 7 hours ago, DKW 86 said: Then what are the facts involved when you have protesters carrying signs with logos from both? I’m being sarcastic. The people splitting hairs are the same ones who would be screaming at you if you tried to distinguish the klan from a group of skinheads. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DKW 86 4,118 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 4 hours ago, woodford said: I’m being sarcastic. The people splitting hairs are the same ones who would be screaming at you if you tried to distinguish the klan from a group of skinheads. And all but about 6 posters here recognize this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
woodford 520 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 4 hours ago, DKW 86 said: And all but about 6 posters here recognize this. It’s the internet, man. It’s always going to be more left wing. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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