The Republican Party

[TexasTiger 12,828]

1 hour ago, DKW 86 said:

BS!!!!!!! Dude, you are one of the True Believers on here when it comes to the DNC. 
We have kids in cages again now. No one on the Left here on this forum gives a **** about those kids. It would damage Biden and therefore no one is going to talk about it but maybe me. If I talk about it, I am going to get 2-3 facepalms and open derision from 2-3 and end of case. Because on this forum, you cannot have anyone that varies a **** hair from the party dogma. It just cant be allowed to happen. 

But KNOW this. No one gives a **** about those kids in cages. Dont now, and didnt during the Obama Admin either. It was a tool to beat Trump with, as it should have been to beat Obama and Biden with, but...like I said, NO ONE gives a **** about those kids. . 

Dude! You’re one of most delusional people I ever interact with when it comes to telling me what I believe. Meds may help.

[wdefromtx 3,159]

4 hours ago, DKW 86 said:

The Republican Party is making Jim Crow segregationists

Democrats proud.

FTFY...

And there are a lot of those democrats proud. More than their party is willing to admit.

[TitanTiger 20,472]

I hoped that Trump's loss would chasten the GOP and prompt them to move on from Trumpism and back toward something resembling a respectable political option.  But the addiction runs too deep right now.  Some learn from mistakes and others have to experience the pain to get it.  It's apparent that the GOP is the latter and only the pain of being out of power for a while is going to get through.  But for the time being, they aren't a party that can be trusted with governing.  That's a little scary because the Dems have their own set of issues.  But right now they still have some sanity left in the tank.

[DKW 86 7,419]

If the Dems want to get anything done, they better get it done before the 2022 Midterms. The party in the WH, on average, loses 24 HOR Seats and 4 Senate Seats. 

[homersapien 11,357]

1 hour ago, wdefromtx said:

And there are a lot of those democrats proud. More than their party is willing to admit.

Please explain what you mean by this - are you suggesting a lot of Democrats support laws to restrict voting? 

[homersapien 11,357]

On 3/5/2021 at 7:35 PM, wdefromtx said:

Less of your crazy left wing posts and more of your blind loyalty to a party that doesn’t give a rats @$$ about you or anyone else for that matter. 

You're not doing your reputation any good with posts like this. 

[wdefromtx 3,159]

1 hour ago, TitanTiger said:

I hoped that Trump's loss would chasten the GOP and prompt them to move on from Trumpism and back toward something resembling a respectable political option.  But the addiction runs too deep right now.  Some learn from mistakes and others have to experience the pain to get it.  It's apparent that the GOP is the latter and only the pain of being out of power for a while is going to get through.  But for the time being, they aren't a party that can be trusted with governing.  That's a little scary because the Dems have their own set of issues.  But right now they still have some sanity left in the tank.

They are just better at hiding their crazies at the moment than the GOP. 

[AUFAN78 3,894]

2 hours ago, TitanTiger said:

I hoped that Trump's loss would chasten the GOP and prompt them to move on from Trumpism and back toward something resembling a respectable political option.  But the addiction runs too deep right now.  Some learn from mistakes and others have to experience the pain to get it.  It's apparent that the GOP is the latter and only the pain of being out of power for a while is going to get through.  But for the time being, they aren't a party that can be trusted with governing.  That's a little scary because the Dems have their own set of issues.  But right now they still have some sanity left in the tank.

"But right now they still have some sanity left in the tank." 

Please indulge us. 

[wdefromtx 3,159]

1 hour ago, homersapien said:

Please explain what you mean by this - are you suggesting a lot of Democrats support laws to restrict voting? 

It’s not necessarily in reference to voting laws. More like the fact many democrats like to claim the high ground, but in reality many are just as bigoted and racist as there are racist republicans. Bottom line is, democrats don’t care about minorities as much as they care about their votes. 
 

It starts with the top, they pushed another old racist white guy as the nominee and he got elected. Same as the Republicans have done. The problems with systemic racism fall on the hands of democrats too. But, we aren’t supposed to talk about that right? 
 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.fayobserver.com/amp/6352889002

[AUFAN78 3,894]

1 hour ago, wdefromtx said:

They are just better at hiding their crazies at the moment than the GOP. 

Questionable

[homersapien 11,357]

On 3/8/2021 at 3:03 PM, wdefromtx said:

It’s not necessarily in reference to voting laws. More like the fact many democrats like to claim the high ground, but in reality many are just as bigoted and racist as there are racist republicans. Bottom line is, democrats don’t care about minorities as much as they care about their votes. 
 

It starts with the top, they pushed another old racist white guy as the nominee and he got elected. Same as the Republicans have done. The problems with systemic racism fall on the hands of democrats too. But, we aren’t supposed to talk about that right? 
 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.fayobserver.com/amp/6352889002

Systemic racism fall(s) on the hands of all white people.   But to equate Democrats to Republicans regarding race reflects delusional thinking.

And don't ignore the fact that that "old racist white guy"   was elected largely due to the support of black people.  How can that be?  

Your characterizations are laughable.

[wdefromtx 3,159]

1 hour ago, homersapien said:

Systemic racism "fall(s) on the hands of all white people".   But to equate Democrats to Republicans regarding race reflects delusional thinking.

And don't ignore the fact that that "old racist white guy"   was elected largely due to the support of black people.  How can that be?  

Your characterizations are laughable.

You are the one with delusional thinking with regards to the Democratic Party. They have you hook line and sinker. 

[DKW 86 7,419]

3 hours ago, homersapien said:

Systemic racism "fall(s) on the hands of all white people".   But to equate Democrats to Republicans regarding race reflects delusional thinking.

And don't ignore the fact that that "old racist white guy"   was elected largely due to the support of black people.  How can that be?  

Your characterizations are laughable.

Trump also expanded the number and percentage of Minorities supporting him in 2020? How did that happen? 

My .02, I think things are far more complex than yelling MAGA!, Trumpster!,  and RUSSIANS! 24-7-365. Now I know that puts me on the outside of the Pearl Clutching Whiny Simpletons, but hey, that's a crowd i NEVER WANT TO BE A PART OF...

[wdefromtx 3,159]

36 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

Trump also expanded the number and percentage of Minorities supporting him in 2020? How did that happen? 

My .02, I think things are far more complex than yelling MAGA!, Trumpster!,  and RUSSIANS! 24-7-365. Now I know that puts me on the outside of the Pearl Clutching Whiny Simpletons, but hey, that's a crowd i NEVER WANT TO BE A PART OF...

If the democrats are supposed to be the party of inclusion and compassion why is it, the instant you have a different opinion they get so mad? Some are intelligent people that you wouldn't think are so naïve to be as brainwashed as they are. Then again, I know some highly intelligent and highly respected people (several doctor friends and a few engineers) that are convinced Biden didn't really win. I guess if you immerse yourself only in information that fuels your bias to your party you get sucked in. 

[homersapien 11,357]

4 hours ago, wdefromtx said:

You are the one with delusional thinking with regards to the Democratic Party. They have you hook line and sinker. 

First, I am not a member of the Democratic party.

Secondly, like it or not, we have a binary choice of which party to support - or oppose.  It's an easy choice for me, but then - unlike your typical conservative - I am not easily motivated by fear, which is pretty much the only thing Republicans have to sell. 

But what exactly is my "delusion" concerning the Democratic party? 

What policies or values do they represent that merit support only on the basis of delusional thinking?

[johnnyAU 3,630]

15 minutes ago, homersapien said:

I am not easily motivated by fear, which is pretty much the only thing Republicans have to sell. 

My arse. Fear is the medium of choice for Democrats and Republicans alike. Only those wearing filtered goggles refuse to acknowledge it. 

[wdefromtx 3,159]

5 minutes ago, homersapien said:

First, I am not a member of the Democratic party.

Secondly, like it or not, we have a binary choice of which party to support - or oppose.  It's an easy choice for me, but then - unlike your typical conservative - I am not easily motivated by fear, which is pretty much the only thing Republicans have to sell. 

But what exactly is my "delusion" concerning the Democratic party? 

What policies or values do they represent that merit support only on the basis of delusional thinking?

I never said you were or have to be a member of the democrat party. The fact that we only have a binary choice is irrelevant. 

It’s the facade of their policies that have you fooled. Things that I have previously discussed on here. Many of their policies look good for getting votes and are nothing but symbolic at most. Now, that’s not to say Republicans don’t have their fair share of meaningless items. It’s the fact that you go (and a few others on here) that go to great lengths to defend them. You’d rather settle for mediocrity because democrats push something as opposed to wanting more. You follow in step with others and won’t call out your guys for things that you complained about almost everyday for the last four years. Biden is holding 3200 kids in cages in CBP facilities at the moment which is 500 more than at the peak of the 2019 situation. Then everyone wanted to call it a crisis, now according to the administration it’s just a “challenging situation.”  Where is all the outrage? Where are your opinion articles about Biden continuing to put kids in cages? Or is it with Obama they weren’t cages, then with Trump they were, then with Biden they aren’t? 

Healthcare is still a mess, it’s gotten worse for many. The insurance companies were really the biggest beneficiary of the ACA. Hell, the insurance industry crafted large portions of it...hence they benefit greatly. 

Perhaps it’s not delusional, and more denial and hypocrisy. You Say I have delusional thinking by equating democrats to republicans, but their actions overall speak for themselves. They are in it for themselves and their donors. The Republicans are in disarray because many republicans across the country got fed up with their crap. Trump happened, not because of some “white supremacy” notion you are stuck on. But, rather he was a big FU to the establishment. Now the party is torn apart, because they don’t know what to do. Many voters want Trump involved with the republicans, not because of race or anything...it’s still because he’s not the establishment. That poses a giant problem for the establishment guys....go against trump and potentially lose votes or side with him and ride that crazy train. I don’t know if they will ever recover from this. But frankly, it would be nice to see a lot of the lifetime folks get out of Washington. 
 

Until you and others on the left demand better from your side and quite being complacent with mediocrity and corruption nothing about our politicians will change. 
 

The difference between republicans and democrats is, democrats give out more handouts. They are better at acting that they care about their constituents than republicans. I guess that makes it a little easier to stomach voting for them. Hopefully those folks in Georgia will finally get their checks they were promised the day before or of the runoff. 

[TexasTiger 12,828]

18 hours ago, wdefromtx said:

I never said you were or have to be a member of the democrat party. The fact that we only have a binary choice is irrelevant. 

It’s the facade of their policies that have you fooled. Things that I have previously discussed on here. Many of their policies look good for getting votes and are nothing but symbolic at most. Now, that’s not to say Republicans don’t have their fair share of meaningless items. It’s the fact that you go (and a few others on here) that go to great lengths to defend them. You’d rather settle for mediocrity because democrats push something as opposed to wanting more. You follow in step with others and won’t call out your guys for things that you complained about almost everyday for the last four years. Biden is holding 3200 kids in cages in CBP facilities at the moment which is 500 more than at the peak of the 2019 situation. Then everyone wanted to call it a crisis, now according to the administration it’s just a “challenging situation.”  Where is all the outrage? Where are your opinion articles about Biden continuing to put kids in cages? Or is it with Obama they weren’t cages, then with Trump they were, then with Biden they aren’t? 

Healthcare is still a mess, it’s gotten worse for many. The insurance companies were really the biggest beneficiary of the ACA. Hell, the insurance industry crafted large portions of it...hence they benefit greatly. 

Perhaps it’s not delusional, and more denial and hypocrisy. You Say I have delusional thinking by equating democrats to republicans, but their actions overall speak for themselves. They are in it for themselves and their donors. The Republicans are in disarray because many republicans across the country got fed up with their crap. Trump happened, not because of some “white supremacy” notion you are stuck on. But, rather he was a big FU to the establishment. Now the party is torn apart, because they don’t know what to do. Many voters want Trump involved with the republicans, not because of race or anything...it’s still because he’s not the establishment. That poses a giant problem for the establishment guys....go against trump and potentially lose votes or side with him and ride that crazy train. I don’t know if they will ever recover from this. But frankly, it would be nice to see a lot of the lifetime folks get out of Washington. 
 

Until you and others on the left demand better from your side and quite being complacent with mediocrity and corruption nothing about our politicians will change. 
 

The difference between republicans and democrats is, democrats give out more handouts. They are better at acting that they care about their constituents than republicans. I guess that makes it a little easier to stomach voting for them. Hopefully those folks in Georgia will finally get their checks they were promised the day before or of the runoff. 

Republican Handouts:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2741D4

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/camilomaldonado/2019/10/10/trump-tax-cuts-helped-billionaires-pay-less-taxes-than-the-working-class-in-2018/amp/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2020/03/27/trump-signs-2-trillion-stimulus-bill-into-law-largest-aid-package-in-us-history/amp/

[homersapien 11,357]

23 hours ago, johnnyAU said:

My arse. Fear is the medium of choice for Democrats and Republicans alike. Only those wearing filtered goggles refuse to acknowledge it. 

No, you are wrong.  The use of fear is far more common when motivating conservatives.  It has been scientifically demonstrated that the "conservative mind" is far more influenced by fear than the liberal mind.

(The mythical caravans of illegal immigrants approaching the border prior to the 2020 midterms is a very good example, as well as the demonization of immigrants in general.)

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3092984/

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mind-in-the-machine/201612/fear-and-anxiety-drive-conservatives-political-attitudes

https://www.businessinsider.com/psychological-differences-between-conservatives-and-liberals-2018-2

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/inspired-life/wp/2017/11/22/at-yale-we-conducted-an-experiment-to-turn-conservatives-into-liberals-the-results-say-a-lot-about-our-political-divisions/

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/01/190109142610.htm

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/calling-truce-political-wars/

 

 

[CoffeeTiger 5,089]

4 hours ago, TexasTiger said:

Republican Handouts:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2741D4

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/camilomaldonado/2019/10/10/trump-tax-cuts-helped-billionaires-pay-less-taxes-than-the-working-class-in-2018/amp/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2020/03/27/trump-signs-2-trillion-stimulus-bill-into-law-largest-aid-package-in-us-history/amp/

No, you don't understand. Handouts to the rich and corporations are good because they are the job creators. If a billion dollar corporate handout leads to the creation of a handful of minimum wage jobs and the building of a new business that will thrive off of local subsidies/tax breaks and then close 10 years later before paying any real taxes to the local community, well that's just proof of 'trickle down economics' in action and well worth the government expenses. What motivation would a wealthy business person have to expand his business if because of taxes and regulations it only increased his wealth by tens of millions instead of hundreds of millions? He'd be better off just  not building a business at all and living in a New York sewer with the rats. By the way, Did you know that's what demonic, socialist, democrats want? For all of Americans to live in sewers with rats? Awful. 

 

 

[DKW 86 7,419]

1 hour ago, CoffeeTiger said:

No, you don't understand. Handouts to the rich and corporations are good because they are the job creators. If a billion dollar corporate handout leads to the creation of a handful of minimum wage jobs and the building of a new business that will thrive off of local subsidies/tax breaks and then close 10 years later before paying any real taxes to the local community, well that's just proof of 'trickle down economics' in action and well worth the government expenses. What motivation would a wealthy business person have to expand his business if because of taxes and regulations it only increased his wealth by tens of millions instead of hundreds of millions? He'd be better off just  not building a business at all and living in a New York sewer with the rats. By the way, Did you know that's what demonic, socialist, democrats want? For all of Americans to live in sewers with rats? Awful. 

Bro, that was funny AF....

[homersapien 11,357]

On 3/9/2021 at 3:28 PM, wdefromtx said:

I never said you were or have to be a member of the democrat party. The fact that we only have a binary choice is irrelevant. No you said I have swallowed the (policies? philosophies? values?) "hook line and sinker."   My point is there are very good and rational reasons I would support the Democratic party over the Republican party and they have nothing to do with being duped.  And like I said, they are the only other practical choice, which is not irrelevant.

It’s the facade of their policies that have you fooled. Things that I have previously discussed on here. Many of their policies look good for getting votes and are nothing but symbolic at most. What policies in particular do you consider to be only "symbolic"?

 

Now, that’s not to say Republicans don’t have their fair share of meaningless items. It’s the fact that you go (and a few others on here) that go to great lengths to defend them. You’d rather settle for mediocrity because democrats push something as opposed to wanting more. Sorry but this doesn't make any sense to me.  You need to restate it.

You follow in step with others and won’t call out your guys for things that you complained about almost everyday for the last four years. Biden is holding 3200 kids in cages in CBP facilities at the moment which is 500 more than at the peak of the 2019 situation. Then everyone wanted to call it a crisis, now according to the administration it’s just a “challenging situation.”  Where is all the outrage? Where are your opinion articles about Biden continuing to put kids in cages? Or is it with Obama they weren’t cages, then with Trump they were, then with Biden they aren’t? 

I think the "cage" angle is way over-hyped.  I don't have any problem with the "cages" as a way of imposing security, as long as they are clean, sanitary and comfortable.  And that goes for either party.  The problem I had with the Trump administration was 1) separating children from their families (reunion is an ongoing problem) and 2) denying refugees due process and simply sending them back to fend for themselves. It was cruel.  And clearly Trump tried to foment hate and fear for refugees for political purposes.

From what I know, Biden is trying to re institute due process, and longer term he wants to address the conditions in their countries of origin that are making them refugees in the first place.  This will be a continuing problem and short of addressing the issues in the countries of origin it will likely get worse, especially with climate change. 

Healthcare is still a mess, it’s gotten worse for many. The insurance companies were really the biggest beneficiary of the ACA. Hell, the insurance industry crafted large portions of it...hence they benefit greatly.  Healthcare is far better with the ACA - which is why its popular.  But what plan have Republicans proposed?  They've been saying for years now "repeal and replace" but have yet to propose a replacement. I agree we need to eliminate the role of for-profit insurers in the basic plan, but the Democratic party is far more likely to do that than the Republican party.

 

Perhaps it’s not delusional, and more denial and hypocrisy. You Say I have delusional thinking by equating democrats to republicans, but their actions overall speak for themselves. They are in it for themselves and their donors.

Of course Democrats have to cater to their donors, thanks to the rules set up by the  Republican SCOTUS (Citizens United).  Unilateral political disarmament is not a solution. 

But generally speaking, Democrats are far more likely to reform our election process to remove the influence of money than are Republicans. https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2019/10/2020-democrats-want-to-get-money-out-of-politics/

I seriously doubt you ever see Republicans make an effort to rescind Citizens United or otherwise reform electoral processes to remove the influence of big money.

 

The Republicans are in disarray because many republicans across the country got fed up with their crap. Trump happened, not because of some “white supremacy” notion you are stuck on. But, rather he was a big FU to the establishment. Now the party is torn apart, because they don’t know what to do. Many voters want Trump involved with the republicans, not because of race or anything...it’s still because he’s not the establishment. That poses a giant problem for the establishment guys....go against trump and potentially lose votes or side with him and ride that crazy train. I don’t know if they will ever recover from this. But frankly, it would be nice to see a lot of the lifetime folks get out of Washington. 

White supremacy voters form the core of Trump's most rabid supporters. He has deliberately and publicly cultivated this segment of the population.
 

Until you and others on the left demand better from your side and quite being complacent with mediocrity and corruption nothing about our politicians will change.

I am very satisfied with the legislation that is being proposed by the Biden administration, particularly the election reform bill.

I am a little more ambivalent about the Pandemic stimulus package but it has a lot of support from prominent economists. 

This country has suffered from a widening wealth gap for decades that started with the Reagan administration.  Democrats are far more likely to address this in a meaningful way than are Republicans.  Some of these measures are included in the stimulus bill.

 

The difference between republicans and democrats is, democrats give out more handouts. They are better at acting that they care about their constituents than republicans. I guess that makes it a little easier to stomach voting for them. Hopefully those folks in Georgia will finally get their checks they were promised the day before or of the runoff.

Providing economic relief to it's citizens following a crisis or disaster is a appropriate roll for government.  Democrats are better at providing such relief to the people who most need it - such as the CARES pandemic relief act.  Republicans are better at providing help - or "handouts" - to the wealthy and powerful - such as the Republican tax cut of 2017.

 

[homersapien 11,357]

2 hours ago, CoffeeTiger said:

No, you don't understand. Handouts to the rich and corporations are good because they are the job creators. If a billion dollar corporate handout leads to the creation of a handful of minimum wage jobs and the building of a new business that will thrive off of local subsidies/tax breaks and then close 10 years later before paying any real taxes to the local community, well that's just proof of 'trickle down economics' in action and well worth the government expenses. What motivation would a wealthy business person have to expand his business if because of taxes and regulations it only increased his wealth by tens of millions instead of hundreds of millions? He'd be better off just  not building a business at all and living in a New York sewer with the rats. By the way, Did you know that's what demonic, socialist, democrats want? For all of Americans to live in sewers with rats? Awful. 

 

 

You left out the natural stimulus effect of buying back your own stock with such tax windfalls. 

[DKW 86 7,419]

4 hours ago, homersapien said:

No, you are wrong.  The use of fear is far more common when motivating conservatives.  It has been scientifically demonstrated that the "conservative mind" is far more influenced by fear than the liberal mind.

(The mythical caravans of illegal immigrants approaching the border prior to the 2020 midterms is a very good example, as well as the demonization of immigrants in general.)

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3092984/

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mind-in-the-machine/201612/fear-and-anxiety-drive-conservatives-political-attitudes

https://www.businessinsider.com/psychological-differences-between-conservatives-and-liberals-2018-2

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/inspired-life/wp/2017/11/22/at-yale-we-conducted-an-experiment-to-turn-conservatives-into-liberals-the-results-say-a-lot-about-our-political-divisions/

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/01/190109142610.htm

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/calling-truce-political-wars/

AHHHHHHH more driveby pop-psych-analysis by the queen of driveby pop-psych-analysis