Stidham's QB coach opines on his struggles in New England

[Timbeaux38 299]

Hard to be an NFL-Caliber QB when you never got the proper coaching in College.....

 

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/jarrett-stidham-realizes-its-put-or-shut-time-patriots?fbclid=IwAR3DRYUEe7lYWZI9JEaUKyJP7p4kJksIXEzvROHiHDXYOdYB9SSFrEcZhuA

[McLoofus 35,182]

[JDUBB4AU 5,102]

DUH .... the cancer is gone from AU. Wish some of these kids could come back to AU as freshman lol . 

[steeleagle 2,945]

39 minutes ago, Timbeaux38 said:

Hard to be an NFL-Caliber QB when you never got the proper coaching in College.....

 

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/jarrett-stidham-realizes-its-put-or-shut-time-patriots?fbclid=IwAR3DRYUEe7lYWZI9JEaUKyJP7p4kJksIXEzvROHiHDXYOdYB9SSFrEcZhuA

Funny that the guy says Briles offense didn't equate to the NFL for a QB, but that Malzahn's was even worse for a QB to prepare to be an NFL QB...

With Stidham, I think it still will take more what abilities Stidham already had( Not counting his learning curve under Malzahn), to be a starter in the NFL. There are plenty of QBs in college who play in more similar NFL offenses, that still don't make it in the NFL. 

He's got 2 more years to figure it out, and then he's got to be cut or some other team will need to take a chance on him as a FA. He could go the route like AJ McCarron who now is on his 3rd or 4th team...

[I_M4_AU 7,768]

There was a reason we missed on a lot of highly thought of QBs during the previous administration.  

[Barnacle 9,064]

Mmmmmmmm

[1auburn1 1,110]

I feel truly sorry for the pocket QB's who were duped into playing for Gus.    He should use some of his buyout to give these guys reparations.

[DAG 33,955]

So not even one of the greatest coaches of all time can get him ready. Eye opening indeed 

[AUAlumnTN 211]

While this interview seems to confirm what we all suspected about Gus' ability or lack thereof to develop QBs, I think the more interesting note is that it also confirms that "where you go" is just as, if not more important. Jarrett's struggles can be partially laid at the feet of Gus Malzahn (and Art/Kendall Briles apparently) but he's also trying to master the most complex offense in the NFL. There's no shortage of articles detailing how many talented college players (at multiple positions) have flamed out over the years trying to fit into that system. I wonder if Jarrett would be experiencing the same struggles if he'd gone somewhere with a different system. 

[DAG 33,955]

Just now, AUAlumnTN said:

While this interview seems to confirm what we all suspected about Gus' ability or lack thereof to develop QBs, I think the more interesting note is that it also confirms that "where you go" is just as, if not more important. Jarrett's struggles can be partially laid at the feet of Gus Malzahn (and Art/Kendall Briles apparently) but he's also trying to master the most complex offense in the NFL. There's no shortage of articles detailing how many talented college players (at multiple positions) have flamed out over the years trying to fit into that system. I wonder if Jarrett would be experiencing the same struggles if he'd gone somewhere with a different system. 

Probably not E.G. kyler Murray 

[oracle79 3,569]

Wait for it...

[Dual-Threat Rigby 8,641]

It was news that this guy let Stidham call adjustments at the line of scrimmage...as a 3 year college player 

Another thing that isn’t phrased quite this way is as offenses on this level became more NFL like, deviated further from the video game spread offenses, we weren’t. Every Bama QB for 4 years has come out with an understanding of NFL terminology down Pat. I think Kiffin was just trying to work miracles with Coker and freshman Hurts. 

Time is going to look really badly on Gus’s failure to modernize, with how many ex-players are starting to feel comfortable giving their tell-all. 

[abw0004 10,104]

I did have a thought unrelated to Stidham and related to Murray with his comments.  Would this pigeonhole Murry to stay with Arizona for the rest of his career?  If that were the case it would make it hard for him to ever get a max contract as Arizona knows he would not be successful anywhere else because he needs a system so unique.

[bigbird 60,368]

2 hours ago, oracle79 said:

Wait for it...

 

[BJCrawford 1,568]

Good grief, Malzahn is gone.  It feels like there are more “how bad he was” articles than where we are going next year. He’s gone. He wasn’t  a good QB coach. Got it.

[api1957 1,783]

QB's under Gus...

[PoetTiger 1,896]

Does not take this article to prove Gus’s  offense does not prep QB’s for the NFL. Just go back and see the Gruden interview with Cam when he came out. Or hell just watch some Auburn games under Gus. Nothing about it has ever said NFL besides 11 guys being on offense.

[W.E.D 11,070]

7 minutes ago, PoetTiger said:

Does not take this article to prove Gus’s  offense does not prep QB’s for the NFL. Just go back and see the Gruden interview with Cam when he came out. Or hell just watch some Auburn games under Gus. Nothing about it has ever said NFL besides 11 guys being on offense.

What's really amazing is he shifted away from what brought him to the dance (dual threat QB, read option) and tried to go away from that to prove he could be a professional coach.  My dude failed...horribly.

Always wonder what would have happened if he just stuck with his true offense vs completely abandoning it.  Still wouldn't have great NFL QBs, but probably would have won more games.

[McLoofus 35,182]

25 minutes ago, BJCrawford said:

It feels like there are more “how bad he was” articles than where we are going next year. 

We still have no idea where we're headed. There can only be so much written on that.

Also, Gus was the coach for 8 years and all the way up until 3 months ago. The new guy hasn't even coached a week of spring ball yet. 

Meanwhile, you have multiple former players and their camps providing these quotes. Are they not supposed to report them?

Never mind all the back and forth the last several years that involved vehement denial of these very criticisms of Gus. Seems like some questions are getting answered. Let it happen and then we'll be on to Auburn football when there's actually some Auburn football to talk about. 

PS- Gus is still going to come up, though, just like every coach before him going back to Shug still does. Unfortunately for him, it likely won't be flattering. It was on him to secure a better legacy. Didn't do it. 

[DAG 33,955]

53 minutes ago, BJCrawford said:

Good grief, Malzahn is gone.  It feels like there are more “how bad he was” articles than where we are going next year. He’s gone. He wasn’t  a good QB coach. Got it.

We have a full page of articles talking about CBH and the new coaching staff Smh. These articles just get more responses 

[AUloggerhead 2,225]

31 minutes ago, PoetTiger said:

Does not take this article to prove Gus’s  offense does not prep QB’s for the NFL. Just go back and see the Gruden interview with Cam when he came out. Or hell just watch some Auburn games under Gus. Nothing about it has ever said NFL besides 11 guys being on offense.

No coaching QBs to read the primary receiver, then go to the secondary or tertiary - if the intended receiver is covered, just throw it away.  Remember when Russell Wilson was transferring from NC State and had AU & Wisc as landing spots?  It’s no surprise he chose Wisc.  

[metafour 4,958]

23 minutes ago, W.E.D said:

Always wonder what would have happened if he just stuck with his true offense vs completely abandoning it.  Still wouldn't have great NFL QBs, but probably would have won more games.

But that was NEVER his "true offense". His true offense is what you've seen him try to do with guys like Bo Nix. Consider these points:

1) He got into NCAA-FB by riding recruits to Arkansas which got Gus the OC gig. Who was the prime recruit? 5-star QB Mitch Mustain who was a PRO-STYLE QB.

2) After Arkansas, he bolted to Tulsa to be the OC. Once again, their offense did NOT revolve around a "run-first" QB at any point while he was there. 

3) After Tulsa, he came to Auburn at OC. At Auburn he had the opportunity to start dual-threat Kodi Burns (who was from Arkansas no less) and instead he went with Chris Todd, who of course was coming out of Leach's Air Raid system. Once again, that offense didn't utilize QB-runs in any way shape or form.

So really, the Cam and Nick Marshall QB-run heavy iterations of his offense were the OUTLIER - not the other way around. He didn't stick with that because he always saw himself as a guy who could run a more traditional spread-offense that utilized passing-proficient QB's. That's why during his time here he went after guys like Tyler Queen, Sean White, Jarrett Stidham, Bo Nix, etc, etc. versus trying to make himself the "QB-Option Spread Guy".

[Dual-Threat Rigby 8,641]

4 hours ago, W.E.D said:

What's really amazing is he shifted away from what brought him to the dance (dual threat QB, read option) and tried to go away from that to prove he could be a professional coach.  My dude failed...horribly.

Always wonder what would have happened if he just stuck with his true offense vs completely abandoning it.  Still wouldn't have great NFL QBs, but probably would have won more games.

the thing is he got these more finesse RBs, and all world WRs, and versatile TEs, and paired them with a manlet offensive line and QBs who don't have incredibly fast mental clocks. It's like he couldn't even observe the aspects of his offense that used to work. Everything seemed to be the opposite of his early tenure. 

[W.E.D 11,070]

4 hours ago, metafour said:

But that was NEVER his "true offense". His true offense is what you've seen him try to do with guys like Bo Nix. Consider these points:

1) He got into NCAA-FB by riding recruits to Arkansas which got Gus the OC gig. Who was the prime recruit? 5-star QB Mitch Mustain who was a PRO-STYLE QB.

2) After Arkansas, he bolted to Tulsa to be the OC. Once again, their offense did NOT revolve around a "run-first" QB at any point while he was there. 

3) After Tulsa, he came to Auburn at OC. At Auburn he had the opportunity to start dual-threat Kodi Burns (who was from Arkansas no less) and instead he went with Chris Todd, who of course was coming out of Leach's Air Raid system. Once again, that offense didn't utilize QB-runs in any way shape or form.

So really, the Cam and Nick Marshall QB-run heavy iterations of his offense were the OUTLIER - not the other way around. He didn't stick with that because he always saw himself as a guy who could run a more traditional spread-offense that utilized passing-proficient QB's. That's why during his time here he went after guys like Tyler Queen, Sean White, Jarrett Stidham, Bo Nix, etc, etc. versus trying to make himself the "QB-Option Spread Guy".

But when he was at Arkansas, he ran the read option with Darren McFadden.  Maybe he should have just kept with that style.

In reality, what killed him was defensive substitutions killing the only advantage he had.

[cole256 17,039]

A have a few thoughts. Shows how big of a challenge Cam stepped to with a smile.

This is one of the reasons I'd laugh when people would say a QB didn't get playing time because they couldn't grasp Gus offense. 

I know I've said it a few times on here but the more I find out.....Gus told Marshall not to train with a QB guru because he didn't want NFL guys to mess him up 😂😂😂

And if you go waaaay back when we had the Jeremy Johnson/Sean White QB battle you'll find Cole saying it's not the QB's it's Gus......