The Union vote is in at Amazon

[I_M4_AU 7,801]

The workers voted to stay independent of union representation.

The union has a different take.

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2021/04/09/amazon-union-vote-result-due-to-broken-system-in-us-uni-global-union.html

 

 

[CoffeeTiger 5,101]

Yes, Tommy Tuberville, the multi-millionaire career state/federal government employee, that in just about every job he's ever had has been guaranteed job security, the best medial insurance, and monetary compensation via air tight employment contracts that guaranteed he couldn't be fired without a golden parachute deploying above him is the true champion for right to work and the common factory man.  

 

[I_M4_AU 7,801]

2 hours ago, CoffeeTiger said:

Yes, Tommy Tuberville, the multi-millionaire career state/federal government employee, that in just about every job he's ever had has been guaranteed job security, the best medial insurance, and monetary compensation via air tight employment contracts that guaranteed he couldn't be fired without a golden parachute deploying above him is the true champion for right to work and the common factory man.  

 

You attack the source, but do you have any thoughts about the vote?  Is it not the same with all the celebs that were there to pull for the unionization?  Are you or have ever been a union member?

[CoffeeTiger 5,101]

26 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

You attack the source, but do you have any thoughts about the vote?  Is it not the same with all the celebs that were there to pull for the unionization?  Are you or have ever been a union member?

No i don't see Tuberville and the celebrities as the same. Both are coming from a place of extreme privilege, but the celebrities are supporting workers rights to collective bargaining while Tuberville is supporting the Corporations' want's and desires, and the idea that being able to be fired or have benefits cut at a moments notice for any or no reason is some sort of American right/freedom worth preserving. 

The vote went about as expected. This is Alabama after all, if the next election for Alabama governor was literally: 

Jesus Christ (D) vs. A Ham Sandwich (R), Then A ham sandwich would be elected the next governor of Alabama.  

 

 

Yes, if you must know I do voluntarily pay dues into a union for my job. I appreciate that they advocate on my behalf and provide me updates on the latest information regarding possible raises, cuts, etc that could affect my job, and I know for a fact that I couldn't bargain or advocate for myself on the same level that the Union does, so that's why I'm fine paying dues even if the results aren't always what I'd desire.   

 

[woodford 3,655]

Unions lol 

[I_M4_AU 7,801]

2 minutes ago, CoffeeTiger said:

No i don't see Tuberville and the celebrities as the same. Both are coming from a place of extreme privilege, but the celebrities are supporting workers rights to collective bargaining while Tuberville is supporting the Corporations' want's and desires, and the idea that being able to be fired or have benefits cut at a moments notice for any or no reason is some sort of American right/freedom worth preserving. 

The vote went about as expected. This is Alabama after all, if the next election for Alabama governor was literally: 

Jesus Christ (D) vs. A Ham Sandwich (R), Then A ham sandwich would be elected the next governor of Alabama.  

 

 

Yes, if you must know I do voluntarily pay dues into a union for my job. I appreciate that they advocate on my behalf and provide me updates on the latest information regarding possible raises, cuts, etc that could effect my job, and I know for a fact that I couldn't bargain or advocate for myself on the same level that the Union does, so that's why I'm fine paying dues even if the results aren't always what I'd desire.   

 

Thanks for the information, it clarifies your position.  I, too was a union member and the dues was worth the job protection if a violation occurred during work, however, the politics were not worth the aggravation (I luckily had no violations).  I felt I was along for the ride and had no real voice in matters.  It was all mob rule and true discussion of some employee’s concerns were stifled.  The motto was “don’t worry, be happy” and the union literally drove the company into two bankruptcies because they refused to compromise.

This vote was what the employees wanted not matter who was trying to influence the vote.  It was a win for the employees.  I’m sure it will not be the last vote at that facility and if Amazon is unionized at another facility by some union and gets greater benefits it could change the outcome.

Amazon would be crazy not to address some of the employee concerns now that the election is over, it would cost them less in the long run.

[CoffeeTiger 5,101]

7 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

Thanks for the information, it clarifies your position.  I, too was a union member and the dues was worth the job protection if a violation occurred during work, however, the politics were not worth the aggravation (I luckily had no violations).  I felt I was along for the ride and had no real voice in matters.  It was all mob rule and true discussion of some employee’s concerns were stifled.  The motto was “don’t worry, be happy” and the union literally drove the company into two bankruptcies because they refused to compromise.

This vote was what the employees wanted not matter who was trying to influence the vote.  It was a win for the employees.  I’m sure it will not be the last vote at that facility and if Amazon is unionized at another facility by some union and gets greater benefits it could change the outcome.

Amazon would be crazy not to address some of the employee concerns now that the election is over, it would cost them less in the long run.

Unions aren't perfect by any means. They can be political, they can be mismanaged, and they can be corrupt, but I also believe they can be very beneficial for employees when correctly managed and with proper oversight. 

To put it simply, I don't believe a vast majority of companies act in employees best interest. History has proven innumerable times that companies would regularly forgo safety, security, and the well being of employees for increased productivity and profits if they believed they could get away with it. I don't believe that human nature changes that much through the decades. 

I've been in a job where on DAY 1 I was required to watch a propaganda video and read literature on how bad unions were and how being non-union gave me the greatest freedom and latitude over my future. How pro union organizers might try to lie to me and convince me that collective bargaining was a good thing when in reality it could only lead to job loss. less benefits, and less flexibility.

If a massive corporation was so viciously anti-union then it made me wonder..why? Was it because the corporation genuinely believed that Union membership would be a net negative for the employees....or was it something else? I choose to believe it was something else.

[I_M4_AU 7,801]

37 minutes ago, CoffeeTiger said:

Unions aren't perfect by any means. They can be political, they can be mismanaged, and they can be corrupt, but I also believe they can be very beneficial for employees when correctly managed and with proper oversight. 

To put it simply, I don't believe a vast majority of companies act in employees best interest. History has proven innumerable times that companies would regularly forgo safety, security, and the well being of employees for increased productivity and profits if they believed they could get away with it. I don't believe that human nature changes that much through the decades. 

I've been in a job where on DAY 1 I was required to watch a propaganda video and read literature on how bad unions were and how being non-union gave me the greatest freedom and latitude over my future. How pro union organizers might try to lie to me and convince me that collective bargaining was a good thing when in reality it could only lead to job loss. less benefits, and less flexibility.

If a massive corporation was so viciously anti-union then it made me wonder..why? Was it because the corporation genuinely believed that Union membership would be a net negative for the employees....or was it something else? I choose to believe it was something else.

Unions were a good thing when the coal mines were literally working miners to death.  Now you don’t find a lot of that around.  Some of the thinks that made unions powerful have been neutered.  Back when Clinton was President, the American Flight Attendants were about to go on strike over the Christmas holidays and he put a stop to it.  Clinton brought up *the greater good* argument and, of course, took the wind out of the sails for the FAs.

I believe corporations are more a-tune to employee needs, however, there is a fine line between making a company run smoothly and employee wants.  If safety is compromised the corporation will pay a huge price, so most do not skimp on the regs.

The unions are a great example of socialism, it’s a pie in the sky ideal that sells the concept, but in reality they are run by people who (eventually) will succumb to power and greed at the expense of the very people they are trying to help.  You really have to keep a close eye on the power people that run the unions.  JMO.