Critical Race Theory

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On 7/16/2021 at 11:05 AM, homersapien said:

I fail to see any distinction between the claim that "we are all racist" vs. "we are all sinners".  (Not that I accept that CRT actually claims that.)

Obviously, CRT in general, is not incompatible with Christianity.  (One could say the same about Marxism.) 

This hysteria about it is totally irrational.

 

We all are “sinners “ and biased because all of mankind is “fallen”. 

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9 hours ago, PUB78 said:

We all are “sinners “ and biased because all of mankind is “fallen”. 

So - assuming you believe that CRT holds that all whites are inherently racist - what's your problem with it?  

Sounds to me like that conforms perfectly to your religious belief.

 

Edited July 25, 2021 by homersapien

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9 hours ago, PUB78 said:

I am glad you admit that CRT is “ crap”.

No I didn't make myself clear.  The "crap" is all the furor about what CRT is and what imaginary harm it is causing.

I think CRT is accurate for the most part.

Edited July 25, 2021 by homersapien

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On 7/19/2021 at 9:10 AM, caleb1633 said:

1) I'm not sure what Apartheid has to do with this.

I was using that term as a synonym for segregation.  So read "segregation" instead.

 

 

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4 hours ago, homersapien said:

So - assuming you believe that CRT holds that all whites are inherently racist - what's your problem with it?  

Sounds to me like that conforms perfectly to your religious belief.

 

Same applies to ALL races and individuals.

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4 hours ago, PUB78 said:

Same applies to ALL races and individuals.

Probably.  Certainly a matter for discussion.

But individual racism is not the same as systemic racism, which is a function of the "ruling class".

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Adding my observations:

After coaching at a public high school, it became obvious to me that well more than half of the so-called "Private" Schools, especially "Private Christian" Schools in Alabama are nothing more than whitewashed segregation.

If you are leaving a neighborhood because of "safety concerns," I would taking a long look in the mirror that it wasnt just silent racial "self-segregation." One of my family members had a beautiful home in our neighborhood. It was THE house for parties etc, Pool in the backyard and they raised two beautiful kids and had so many family functions there. Tons of memories. They left as soon as the neighborhood started getting racially diverse. Their house was so well known in town for church socials and a wedding or two that the house sold in about 24 hours. No for sale sign at all. But they forgot all that to flee those horrible middleclass Christian black families that were moving up to join them in the social order.

My own feeling is that I havent been friendly enough to my black neighbors, and I guess that is part of my own subconscious issues. But I know I am a WIP and will be till I GO HOME. We are all still WIP on this and need some Grace. But there are still a lot of folks, like the kids in PA, that arent looking for Grace from anything and are in fact ready to start a riot over the crap they were taught at home. 

 

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16 hours ago, homersapien said:

Probably.  Certainly a matter for discussion.

But individual racism is not the same as systemic racism, which is a function of the "ruling class".

Systemic racism is greatly exaggerated by the left.

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1 hour ago, PUB78 said:

Systemic racism is greatly exaggerated by the left.

You have no standing to claim that. 

Other than that, you are just plain wrong. Ever  heard the term "generational wealth"?

https://study.com/academy/lesson/institutional-racism-definition-examples-statistics.html?src=ppc_adwords_nonbrand&rcntxt=aws&crt=519972749261&kwd=&kwid=dsa-1253079156202&agid=125582019081&mt=b&device=c&network=g&_campaign=SeoPPC&gclid=CjwKCAjwuvmHBhAxEiwAWAYj-OjTwyKOYCMvVta1z8JDnYZYRvl7ZYgVj0PcDjV1k8tQV3Vk4tQrQxoCvewQAvD_BwE

 

Educate yourself, please.

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-systemic-racism-in-charts-graphs-data-2020-6

https://www.bc.edu/content/bc-web/sites/bc-magazine/bc-magazine-fall-2020-issue/features/bc-and-racial-justice/what-systemic-racism-looks-like.html

https://abc7news.com/systemic-racism-definition-structural-institutionalized-what-is/6292530/

https://time.com/5851855/systemic-racism-america/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/06/15/systemic-racism-what-does-mean/5343549002/

 

Edited July 26, 2021 by homersapien

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17 hours ago, homersapien said:

You have no standing to claim that. 

Other than that, you are just plain wrong. Ever  heard the term "generational wealth"?

https://study.com/academy/lesson/institutional-racism-definition-examples-statistics.html?src=ppc_adwords_nonbrand&rcntxt=aws&crt=519972749261&kwd=&kwid=dsa-1253079156202&agid=125582019081&mt=b&device=c&network=g&_campaign=SeoPPC&gclid=CjwKCAjwuvmHBhAxEiwAWAYj-OjTwyKOYCMvVta1z8JDnYZYRvl7ZYgVj0PcDjV1k8tQV3Vk4tQrQxoCvewQAvD_BwE

 

Educate yourself, please.

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-systemic-racism-in-charts-graphs-data-2020-6

https://www.bc.edu/content/bc-web/sites/bc-magazine/bc-magazine-fall-2020-issue/features/bc-and-racial-justice/what-systemic-racism-looks-like.html

https://abc7news.com/systemic-racism-definition-structural-institutionalized-what-is/6292530/

https://time.com/5851855/systemic-racism-america/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/06/15/systemic-racism-what-does-mean/5343549002/

 

Have you ever heard about “Professional Victimization “ and “Liberal White Guilt”?

For some liberals, it is always 1965. They never acknowledge the racial progress made in the the last 56 years.

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4 hours ago, PUB78 said:

Have you ever heard about “Professional Victimization “ and “Liberal White Guilt”?

For some liberals, it is always 1965. They never acknowledge the racial progress made in the the last 56 years.

That's just a pathetic response.  I pity you.

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4 hours ago, PUB78 said:

Have you ever heard about “Professional Victimization “ and “Liberal White Guilt”?

I've heard of it. Fox News/National Review/most conservative sites talk about it all the time. 

4 hours ago, PUB78 said:

For some liberals, it is always 1965. They never acknowledge the racial progress made in the the last 56 years.

Hard to acknowledge a ton of progress when a certain part of the country still flies the Confederate Battle Flag as much as it does the American one. 

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I did have one heckler, who interrupted me once to scream that “Loudoun Country does not do CRT,” which set things up nicely for me as my talk was about how to recognize it when educators lied and said there was no CRT. This type of “gaslighting” has become the modus operandi of the rearguard battle against the resistance to CRT, leading to quasi-comical interviews on MSNBC, where, as Rufo quipped, host Joy Reid has come close to sputtering that “CRT is not CRT!”

How the Grassroots Are Resisting CRT

From Law and Liberty 

The popular revolt against Critical Race Theory has shocked the woke establishment. We can see in its schizophrenic and unsteady reaction just how spooked it is. Consider, for example, how teachers’ unions have gone from denying that CRT is used in classrooms, to vowing in their next breath to promote it among the country’s 14,000 school districts, and threatening to do “oppo research” or sue anyone who opposes CRT.

You can’t have it both ways, guys.

Another tactic is to smear this all-American, parent-led movement as astroturf, but to do so indirectly, in an underhanded way that slurs their actions while claiming plausible deniability. The subterfuge here is to pretend that it is institutions such as the one I work for, The Heritage Foundation, that are instigating the swelling wave of opposition to CRT. As someone who has spoken to hundreds of parents across the country (and plan to do so again and again throughout the summer) and who has also spoken to state legislators across the nation, including testifying before the Louisiana Legislature along with my Heritage colleague Jonathan Butcher, I can tell you that the energy is coming from the grassroots, and it is very real.

Those making this claim know this all too well, which is the reason they are panicking. Strategically, however, it is better to blame a behemoth like Heritage than the parents of the children your union members allegedly serve. Thus, at its most recent Representative Assembly (June 30-July 3), the country’s largest teachers union, the National Education Association, approved Business Item No. 2, which warned that “The attacks on anti-racist teachers are increasing, coordinated by well-funded organizations such as the Heritage Foundation. We need to be better prepared to respond to these attacks so that our members can continue this important work.”

The NEA also passed Business Item No. 39, which promised to “Share and publicize, through existing channels, information already available on critical race theory (CRT)—what it is and what it is not; have a team of staffers for members who want to learn more and fight back against anti-CRT rhetoric.” It adds: “it is reasonable and appropriate for curriculum to be informed by academic frameworks for understanding and interpreting the impact of the past on current society, including critical race theory.”

The measures are new business items approved at the annual conference. The NEA for example approved spending $56,500 to attack anti-CRT groups, naming Heritage, and $127,600 to support Business Item 39.

But when conservative or libertarian outlets, such as Reason Magazine, pointed out how maladroit the NEA had been in admitting that CRT was indeed being used in the classroom, the NEA did what all Stalinists always do: it airbrushed the past. The union scrubbed its website of its mentions of Heritage and CRT, or the promises to use part of its multi-million dollar budget to defend the continued use of CRT. This is why the hyperlinks provided above in this essay come courtesy of the “Way Back Machine.”

Nor was it only the NEA that flipped, then flopped. The president of the American Federation of Teachers (AFT), Randi Weingarten, emphatically said that CRT was not being used at K-12 schools. But then the AFT Twitter account announced that one of AFT’s top officials was about to go on Good Morning America to talk “about how teaching critical race theory allows educators to ‘give our students the opportunity to understand the full breadth and depth of the American society.’”

If talking points mean more than facts, we are indeed lost.-DKW

But there’s more. The charge of astroturfing is not just false, but also an example of what we call “projecting” in our over-psychologized age. There is strong indication that the woke elite institutions—not just the teachers’ unions, but also the media, the academy, the federal government, etc.—are starting to use messaging packaged for them by progressive activists.

One example is the eerie similarity between the talking points that unions, MSNBC hosts, and other actors use in their current offensive against parents, and a “Messaging Guide” distributed in mid-June by a large coalition of 300 organizations and 20 foundations and other entities, the Partnership for the Future of Learning. The Partnership notably includes among its members the NEA.

Here are the top messaging points the coalition, Future of Learning, recommended:

• “Truth in our classrooms propels young people towards a more united, inclusive, and just future.
• “Trust students to talk about what’s happening in the world around them. 
• “Coordinated efforts to control curriculum come from aggressive right-wing instigators who want to stop educators and districts from working toward racial equity.
• “When educators teach the truth, students start to see themselves as part of a bigger story. 
• “Banning conversations about racism in schools is a form of censorship. A shared, honest understanding of the past bridges divides.”

It also recommended these more specific talking points. All those who adopt need do is add their state inside the brackets:

• “There is a long and painful history of race and education in [our state]. Students are ready for systems and institutions to change. Creating a just and equitable learning environment that embraces the history and experiences of its learners is not only good for students, but also for our communities and our shared future.
• “We cannot pretend to be race-neutral or ‘colorblind’ if we are ever going to address and account for the inequalities that students of color face.
• “Many districts around the country have already incorporated culturally responsive curricula in classrooms. The result is that students of color are affirmed and validated by having their unique histories and experiences elevated among their teachers and peers.
• “Research shows that students who see positive representations of themselves in their curriculum have improved educational outcomes. For students of color as well as white students, CRE decreases dropout rates and suspensions, increases student participation, confidence, academic achievement and graduation rates.”

As the blog Legal Insurrection noted, these messages and talking points were “identical to those repeated almost daily by teachers unions, in major newspapers, on MSNBC and CNN, and in digital media.”

The Truth about the Parents

None of this can be said of the parents’ forthright campaign to save their children from all this. Moreover, it is not just parents, but workers, men and women enlisted in our armed forces, and just about everyone whose lives have been touched, or upended, by CRT.

Theirs is an instinctual, visceral response by men, but especially women, to the inroads that the purveyors of CRT have made in all walks of life, as a result of the tragic death of George Floyd and the mayhem caused by Black Lives Matter throughout 2020. The vast majority didn’t read long texts by CRT founders such as Derrick Bell, Kimberle Crenshaw, or Cheryl Harris; They didn’t have to. Their American common sense told them that separating young students and middle-aged office workers by race, national background, sex, etc., in classroom or office exercises was evil. They intuited that being told to hate their country’s origins and everything about it was nihilistic cultural suicide.

Consider an email I received from a mom I met in Waukesha, Wisconsin after speaking there:

I am a wife and mother to two young daughters, ages 3 and 4. I am a pediatric nurse practitioner at Children’s Wisconsin, where I work on our heart transplant team. A large role of my job is to advocate for children and to teach their parents how to care for their medically complex child, so it seemed only fitting to take up this fight against CRT and to advocate for better education in our schools. … this is the fight of our generation, to save the education of future generations and the future direction of our country.”

The Waukesha gathering was instructive. It brought authors James Lindsey, Adam Coleman, and me to speak about CRT in late June to this exurb west of Milwaukee. I spoke to the organizers a week before, and they were hoping for 400 people, tops. That night, some 650 people turned out and the organizers had to get a second room at the Ingleside to manage the overflow crowd. Now the organizers are bringing me back to Wisconsin to speak in Madison in mid-August and then in Green Bay later in the month.

The people I met in the crowd after I spoke were polite, intelligent, inquisitive, alert, engaged. It was like the town halls on civic issues that PBS used to broadcast (though it is hard to see PBS or NPR giving these Americans a hearing today). Another mom I met there emailed me afterward to say, “The opposition to Critical Race Theory defies politics. CRT is an assault on the neutral principles of our Constitution, it is an attack on the rule of law and the sovereign individual. The assault on cultural norms and Enlightenment liberal values is hitting a nerve in a way that is visceral.”

A third woman I spoke with that night in Waukesha answered simply, “Loudoun County!” when I asked how and why she first became involved in the fight against CRT. And, indeed, the wealthy Virginia county about an hour west of Washington DC has become somewhat of a ground zero for this fight. Though it really starts in earnest when the investigative journalist Chris Rufo alerted the Trump administration about the ills of CRT-styled work trainings being used in the federal workforce, the current parents-led effort gets started in Loudoun County.

It was there that two groups, the Virginia Project and Parents Against Critical Theory, got together and held a webinar called “What is CRT and its impact on Loudoun County Schools?” on March 7, according to a report filed later that month by Debi Ghate, the Vice President of Strategy at the Philanthropy Roundtable.

It was then that retired and current teachers using a Facebook group with 624 members called “Anti-Racist Parents of Loudoun County,” decided to compile the names of the anti-CRT dissenters, and their children, in order to run a cancel culture campaign against them, including doxing them and hacking into their computers. It was ironic, to say the least, given that cancel culture—the practice of silencing your opponents by droning them out of social media and/or their real-life jobs—is a direct result of the thinking that animates CRT. It was also a very bad decision that blew up on the so-called “anti-racists.” Not only was the sheriff’s office called in, but the campaign of intimidation radicalized the parents.

By the time I got to Loudoun County to speak about CRT to parents and activists in Loudoun County on Saturday, June 12, feelings were strong. I am not that electrifying a speaker, and I got plenty of applause from some 300 who turned out. “Thank you for driving out to see us,” was a common refrain.

I did have one heckler, who interrupted me once to scream that “Loudoun Country does not do CRT,” which set things up nicely for me as my talk was about how to recognize it when educators lied and said there was no CRT. This type of “gaslighting” has become the modus operandi of the rearguard battle against the resistance to CRT, leading to quasi-comical interviews on MSNBC, where, as Rufo quipped, host Joy Reid has come close to sputtering that “CRT is not CRT!”

Since Loudoun County’s line-in-the-sand moment, some 165 local and national groups have sprung up to “disrupt lessons on race and gender,” according to an NBC News analysis. The parents I meet who show up in the hundreds to hear more about CRT, and who try to understand it, understand the tension between national planning and coordination, and acting locally.

In this and other ways, they remind many observers of the “Committees of Correspondence” that sprung up in the colonies in the mid-1760s, when Britain was first introducing measures the colonists found intolerable. The committees facilitated communication among people in the 13 colonies, and were a conduit for the “revolution of the mind” that preceded the actual shooting a decade later.

The committees were also like today’s anti-CRT movement in one way—they blended in spontaneity and widespread coordination. Samuel Adams, cousin to the more cerebral John Adam and a populist rabble-rouser, established the first one in Boston in 1764. Revolutions need both types. They also need a mix of local activism and nationwide strategy. The good thing is that today’s parents understand this.

One of the moms from Waukesha puts it this way:

Now national organizations are forming to capture the spirit of local activists and create a country wide call to action… At the same time, we must not go the way of the Tea Party movement. We must stay focused on local issues, remain community orientated while networking at the same time. There is a difference between a network and a community … and finding balance is critical. This is a difficult task and we are all on a learning curve.

I don’t know if the kids are all right, as they used to say in the 1960s, but in 2021, the parents certainly are. They are the real thing—Americans taking charge—unlike the astroturf heavies who are trying to stop them.

mike gonzalez

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Man, only one thumbsdown, for that? I truly thought I would get the usual suspects a lil roused up with the whole gaslighting thing...

Edited July 28, 2021 by DKW 86

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7 hours ago, CoffeeTiger said:

I've heard of it. Fox News/National Review/most conservative sites talk about it all the time. 

Hard to acknowledge a ton of progress when a certain part of the country still flies the Confederate Battle Flag as much as it does the American one. 

Give me a few examples of your last comment.

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8 hours ago, homersapien said:

That's just a pathetic response.  I pity you.

Homer,

You are one to be pitted. Searching for truth and meaning in ALL the wrong places.

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14 hours ago, PUB78 said:

Homer,

You are one to be pitted. Searching for truth and meaning in ALL the wrong places.

Like most MAGAs you wouldn't know the truth if it slapped you in the face.  Watch the Jan. 6 investigation?  It's all about a "peaceful demonstration".

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5 hours ago, homersapien said:

Like most MAGAs you wouldn't know the truth if it slapped you in the face.  Watch the Jan. 6 investigation?  It's all about a "peaceful demonstration".

That was definitely mostly peaceful if you use the Democrat media definition. And nobody came close to getting killed until a capitol policeman decided to kill an unarmed woman who probably gave the murderer ptsd when she sinisterly put her head thru a broken window.  He must have been terrified.  I can’t imagine these so called capitol police actually doing a shift a real policeman does on a daily basis.  

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6 hours ago, homersapien said:

Like most MAGAs you wouldn't know the truth if it slapped you in the face.  Watch the Jan. 6 investigation?  It's all about a "peaceful demonstration".

You been to Portland, Seattle, San Fran or Charlottesville recent?  Look at the “ occupied areas”,homelessness, drug use and crime. This is what happens when your local government is run by Socialists and wimps.

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17 hours ago, jj3jordan said:

That was definitely mostly peaceful if you use the Democrat media definition. And nobody came close to getting killed until a capitol policeman decided to kill an unarmed woman who probably gave the murderer ptsd when she sinisterly put her head thru a broken window.  He must have been terrified.  I can’t imagine these so called capitol police actually doing a shift a real policeman does on a daily basis.  

Do we believe the testimony from all the people who were there and experienced what actually happened, or do we believe a guy on the internet who laps up anything Right Wing media feeds him?

hard choice. 

 

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Just curious, but if burning buildings and injuring people are peaceful protests, how is it that NOT BURNING BUILDINGS and some injuries, and even the protestors taking 4 deaths is not a peaceful protest? 

So burning buildings, destroying small nusinesses and familys THAT IS OKAY?

Or could it be that we just have two different sets of dicks trying to get the PR edge over each other? I mean that picture from CNN is as laughable gaslighting as it gets. 

Edited July 29, 2021 by DKW 86

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Black Lives Matter Protesters Were Overwhelmingly Peaceful, Our Research Finds

https://www.radcliffe.harvard.edu/news-and-ideas/black-lives-matter-protesters-were-overwhelmingly-peaceful-our-research-finds

 

When the Department of Homeland Security released its Homeland Threat Assessment earlier this month, it emphasized that self-proclaimed white supremacist groups are the most dangerous threat to U.S. security. But the report misleadingly added that there had been “over 100 days of violence and destruction in our cities,” referring to the anti-racism uprisings of this past summer.

In fact, the Black Lives Matter uprisings were remarkably nonviolent. When there was violence, very often police or counterprotesters were reportedly directing it at the protesters.

Since 2017, we have been collecting data on political crowds in the United States, including the protests that surged during the summer. We have almost finished collecting data from May to June, having already documented 7,305 events in thousands of towns and cities in all 50 states and D.C., involving millions of attendees.

Because most of the missing data are from small towns and cities, we do not expect the overall proportions to change significantly once we complete the data collection.

We make two assumptions. First, when politicians and officials categorize the protests as violent, they are usually envisioning property destruction or interpersonal violence in which they infer that BLM protesters are attacking police, bystanders and property.

Second, using several measures to evaluate protest behavior offers a better assessment than the blanket term “violence.” For example, we disaggregate property destruction from interpersonal violence. We analyze separately the number of injuries or deaths among protesters and police. And we are thinking about how gathering even finer-grained data in the future could help further assign precise responsibility for violent acts.

Here is what we have found based on the 7,305 events we’ve collected. The overall levels of violence and property destruction were low, and most of the violence that did take place was, in fact, directed against the BLM protesters.

First, police made arrests in 5% of the protest events, with over 8,500 reported arrests (or possibly more). Police used tear gas or related chemical substances in 2.5% of these events.

Protesters or bystanders were reported injured in 1.6 percent of the protests. In total, at least three Black Lives Matter protesters and one other person were killed while protesting in Omaha, Austin and Kenosha, Wis. One anti-fascist protester killed a far-right group member during a confrontation in Portland, Ore.; law enforcement killed the alleged assailant several days later.

Police were reported injured in 1% of the protests. A law enforcement officer killed in California was allegedly shot by supporters of the far-right “boogaloo” movement, not anti-racism protesters.

The killings in the line of duty of other law enforcement officers during this period were not related to the protests.

Only 3.7% of the protests involved property damage or vandalism. Some portion of these involved neither police nor protesters, but people engaging in vandalism or looting alongside the protests.

In short, our data suggest that 96.3% of events involved no property damage or police injuries, and in 97.7% of events, no injuries were reported among participants, bystanders or police.

These figures should correct the narrative that the protests were overtaken by rioting and vandalism or violence.

Such claims are false. Incidents in which there was protester violence or property destruction should be regarded as exceptional – and not representative of the uprising as a whole.

In many instances, police reportedly began or escalated the violence, but some observers nevertheless blame the protesters.

The claim that the protests are violent – even when the police started the violence – can help local, state and federal forces justify intentionally beating, gassing or kettling the people marching, or reinforces politicians’ calls for “law and order.”

Given that protesters were objecting to extrajudicial police killings of Black citizens, protesters displayed an extraordinary level of nonviolent discipline, particularly for a campaign involving hundreds of documented incidents of apparent police brutality.

The protests were extraordinarily nonviolent, and extraordinarily nondestructive, given the unprecedented size of the movement’s participation and geographic scope.

How the news media frame protests influences how the public perceives them. Ambiguous framings – such as those describing “clashes” between protesters and police – can convey false information about which side is violent. For instance, an extensive archive reveals that police themselves allegedly instigated a number of reported “clashes,” which also likely led to more arrests, participant injuries and possibly even property damage.

This is important because public perceptions of the legitimacy of protests vs. policing have had fairly immediate effects on election outcomes and public policy. Those perceptions affect public attitudes toward movements for years.

Further, authoritarian leaders almost always try to treat protesters as criminals and to delegitimize their claims by exaggerating any incidents of violence and property destruction. These narrative techniques shore up support for broad-based repression against these groups, at little political cost to the autocrat.

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On 7/27/2021 at 9:08 PM, PUB78 said:

Homer,

You are one to be pitted. Searching for truth and meaning in ALL the wrong places.

Not sure what pitted is, but it sounds pretty bad!

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On 7/27/2021 at 9:05 PM, PUB78 said:

Give me a few examples of your last comment.

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1 hour ago, homersapien said:

Not sure what pitted is, but it sounds pretty bad!

Yeah, darned new phone!