Harsin: Team 60% vacinated

[augolf1716 21,091]

1 hour ago, toddc said:

That’s more like it!

Speaking of Jimi this is somewhat rare to listen on acoustics

 

[McLoofus 35,182]

36 minutes ago, wcware said:

25 pages and I would bet that no one has changed another’s stance on this subject. It has been a good read though. I am really disappointed how much politics has infected everything in our lives now. Both sides dig in and weaponize anything that they think can help further their agendas. Anyway, War Eagle and I can’t wait to pack that stadium with ALL of you, vaccinated or not.

You're not wrong when it comes to most topics but that's not the case with this one. Available data overwhelmingly supports one position. The opposite position can only be based on factors other than data. Call it politics if you want.

[fredst 9,064]

2 hours ago, McLoofus said:

Jimi Hendrix

There’s a reason you’re known as “Voodoo Child” in these parts…

[McLoofus 35,182]

11 minutes ago, fredst said:

There’s a reason you’re known as “Voodoo Child” in these parts…

Hoo boy, the first time I heard that song...

... and the most recent time I heard that song...

... and each time between...

 

[Tiger Refuge 6,660]

1 minute ago, McLoofus said:

Hoo boy, the first time I heard that song...

... and the most recent time I heard that song...

... and each time between...

 

 

#sorrynotsorry

[homersapien 11,336]

5 hours ago, au302 said:

We have medical experts as well that are well-qualified and are educating our team to the pros and cons. Are you saying Harsin is not allowing our medical experts to speak to the team? Sad that Harsin taking a neutral stance of allowing our players to make their choice is translated to "pandering to anti-vaxers." 

All I have to go on are the quotes from his statements as reported.

Did he set up a seminar for his players (like Saban did)?

Has he done any public announcements (like Saban has)?

Has he himself been vaccinated?

 

[fredst 9,064]

45 minutes ago, McLoofus said:

Hoo boy, the first time I heard that song...

... and the most recent time I heard that song...

... and each time between...

 

Unbelievable. LSD seems like it can make you super creative…and make you set your guitar on fire…

 

 

Edited July 26, 2021 by fredst

[fredst 9,064]

3 minutes ago, Tiger Refuge said:

 

#sorrynotsorry

I was about to post that Stevie Ray is the only guy that has done that song justice that I know of…

[homersapien 11,336]

2 hours ago, AuburnEagle79 said:

I guess nobody could ever truly know, but it's quite the coincidence that the autoimmune disease came up within a couple weeks of the vaccine. 

From what I've read, it's common for viruses to have set off the response in someone that is predisposed to have the autoimmune responses, but in this particular case, the vaccine was the only thing that stood out in their recent health history. 

This individual was young and healthy up to that point, so it is strange, but for those in the at risk category, I'd say the benefits of the vaccine would far outweigh the risk.

The key word here is "coincidence".

Reminds me of the story " Pickles Cause Heart Attacks"   Basis:  95% of people who had heart attacks ate pickles, even if only occasionally.

[McLoofus 35,182]

2 minutes ago, fredst said:

Unbelievable. LSD seems like it can make you super creative…and set your guitar on fire…

 

I almost posted earlier that he tapped into the whole hippie thing but did it with gallons of testosterone and I'm forever grateful for that.

6 minutes ago, fredst said:

Unbelievable. LSD seems like it can make you super creative…and set your guitar on fire…

 

 

 

5 minutes ago, fredst said:

I was about to post that Stevie Ray is the only guy that has done that song justice that I know of…

💯

A lot of people knock SRV as a Hendrix knock off but I was always like, um, he's really effing good and is more Hendrix a bad thing if it's good?!?! Dude had Albert King's stamp of approval. To hell with the nerdy gatekeepers. I know I've said it before but his Live at the El Mocambo DVD rewired my brain. Freshman year at Auburn, actually. (I probably proselytized at the time about how evil corporations were trying to murder us all.)

[fredst 9,064]

3 minutes ago, McLoofus said:

I probably proselytized at the time about how evil corporations were trying to murder us all.

This made me laugh 😂 

[McLoofus 35,182]

Just now, fredst said:

This made me laugh 😂 

Mission accomplished

[Sani-Freeze 552]

On 7/23/2021 at 11:59 PM, Tigerbelle said:

Where have you been? The Delta variant is killing young,healthy and unvaccinated people. These patients get much sicker and it happens much faster than the COVID we saw in 2020. It is indeed safer to get vaccinated.....far, far safer in fact. It is this kind of misinformation that is so frustrating. 

The longevity of immunity is still being evaluated....and infectious disease experts recommend that those who had COVID get one shot of the vaccine to strengthen their immunity to the disease.

Once again.....millions and millions of people have had the COVID vaccine and have had no serious,lingering side effect. To insinuate that the vaccine is unsafe is just incorrect. 

All I was saying, back to the original thread topic, is that I'm not really blaming the few young, healthy football team members who have been hesitant to get the vaccine to this point. 

MIllions and millions of young people have also had COVID and had no serious, lingering side effect. 97-98% of the deaths have been in people over 45, which is why that crowd needs to get fully vaxxed quickly. This issue doesn't have to be so binary when we know different age groups are affected differently. Yes, Delta is different and is concerning. People should watch the developments and take new data into account.

Is this "misinformation" from the CDC below?  One thing they didn't note is that the 163M full doses administered so far are heavily skewed toward the older demographic. Which suggests there could be an (admittedly small) anomaly cropping up with reactions among the under 30 crowd, even if it is still rare. If you are a young athlete, it isn't crazy to wonder about this. 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

• Myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. As of July 19, 2021, VAERS has received 1,148  reports of myocarditis or pericarditis among people ages 30 and younger who received COVID-19 vaccine. Most cases have been reported after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna), particularly in male adolescents and young adults. Through follow-up, including medical record reviews, CDC and FDA have confirmed 674 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis. CDC and its partners are investigating these reports to assess whether there is a relationship to COVID-19 vaccination. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and myocarditis.

Edited July 26, 2021 by Sani-Freeze

[fredst 9,064]

2 minutes ago, McLoofus said:

Mission accomplished

This thread got infinitely more interesting when it got on to Jimi and SRV. Sigh….back to f’ing COVID and vaccination. Boring🥱….

[McLoofus 35,182]

1 minute ago, fredst said:

This thread got infinitely more interesting when it got on to Jimi and SRV. Sigh….back to f’ing COVID and vaccination. Boring🥱….

Neither one of those guys would've hesitated to take the needle. Wait, I'm not making the point I want to...

[homersapien 11,336]

14 hours ago, AUght2win said:

The only practical read for your suggestions is mandatory vaccination. That's also literally the only other thing that could be done at this point to ensure raising the rate. Many people are advocating for that.

No, you are wrong. I think - or at least hope that - people will generally volunteer to do what is in their own interest as well as the country's interest once they truly understand the issue.  Apparently many people don't.  (Undoubtedly, the fact most of them are Trump supporters is just a strange coincidence. )

Regardless, education is preferred to coercion - which would certainly make them dig in deeper at any rate.  (Perhaps that makes me naive.)

As for the topic of the post, I think Harsin either simply failed to show responsible leadership or he is actually an anti-vaxer. 

That's my focus and concern.  Everything else I posted is a response to other's comments.

Edited July 26, 2021 by homersapien

[homersapien 11,336]

1 hour ago, AUght2win said:

Could you list the #1 method mentioned in that article for reaching herd immunity for me? 

The most common - particularly prior to vaccine availability - was being infected with the virus. This would be the expected pattern for any airborn virus such as covid, particularly in the absence of vaccines..

But it's certainly not preferred if there are vaccines available, for all the obvious reasons.  That is why their #1 recommendation was to get vaccinated instead of 'go out and get infected'.

Why do you ask?

Edited July 26, 2021 by homersapien

[homersapien 11,336]

1 hour ago, AUght2win said:

It's arrogance like this that turns people off. And hey, if you're a believer in passive societal responsibility, you're technically killing people by botching the vaccine pitch so badly.

Riddle me this. If there's *no* scientific reason to fear the longterm effects of a vaccine, then why do some vaccines take years, decades even, and grueling, multi-stage trials to vet before they are released for public use? 

Because the old timetable for producing vaccines was based on obsolete technology/methodology. 

The techniques used now are much faster, although the science and technology of these "new" techniques have been under development for literally decades. 

And trials were conducted.   I tried to volunteer for one. My sister (a nurse) participated in a Moderna trial.  The FDA deemed the results of these trials demonstrated both efficacy and safety, which is why they gave an EMA.

Don't have any idea of what you are referring to by"botching the vaccine pitch".  You'll have to explain that.

Edited July 26, 2021 by homersapien

[Tiger Refuge 6,660]

27 minutes ago, fredst said:

This thread got infinitely more interesting when it got on to Jimi and SRV. Sigh….back to f’ing COVID and vaccination. Boring🥱….

I…tried?

[NoALtiger 3,849]

8 hours ago, homersapien said:

Our country is literally starting to unravel.

Meh, people been saying that literally my whole life. It’s a cliche at this point. Another one I enjoy is the “biggest election of all time” or something along those line. Every election can’t be the most important of all time. Guarantee you folks 50 years from now will be saying the country is starting to unravel.  

[toddc 13,194]

Back to SRV- saw him at the Alabama Theater?? I think that’s right, in Birmingham in one of his last shows and he was amazing.

[Win4AU 4,050]

32 minutes ago, NoALtiger said:

Meh, people been saying that literally my whole life. It’s a cliche at this point. Another one I enjoy is the “biggest election of all time” or something along those line. Every election can’t be the most important of all time. Guarantee you folks 50 years from now will be saying the country is starting to unravel.  

Every generation thinks the world Is about to end too but the earth keeps spinning.  Things are probably better now than it’s ever been but that doesn’t make good news or get you elected to office.

[Tigerpro2a 5,650]

16 hours ago, homersapien said:

How do you feel about people's responsibilities?

I am not sure where you are going with this question. I believe CBH has lived up to his responsibilities as a football coach thus far. 

[japantiger 4,051]

17 hours ago, homersapien said:

Your mistake is considering this purely as a personal issue instead of a societal one.

Significant numbers of unvaccinated people serve as a reservoir of available victims for a given virus.  In the case of  covid, that essentially means we, as a society, will be be subjected to repeated outbreaks instead of eliminating the virus in our country.  These continual outbreaks allow the virus to continue to mutate, possibly into more virulent forms that the current vaccines won't prevent.

Once the national vaccination rate reached some critical percentage of the population, the virus can no longer sustain itself and will disappear, or become rare, just like so many other infectious diseases.

Individuals have a responsibility to the rest of our society to get a vaccination if possible.

Homer, to your point on reaching a "critical %".  I don't really think that will ever apply here.  I'm gonna set aside the experimental nature of this specific family of vaccines for a minute;  and the lack of any real need for young/healthy people to take it.  I think the main issue on this is "this is a flu". 

And like the flu, there are always new strains/varieties of it each season.  The current panic-porn is "Delta" or "Lambda" variant is going to kill us all (only slightly less virulent apparently than net-neutrality).  And frankly, I don't know whether the current vaccines are or or not effective against these strains as I have heard wildly different POV's on this.  If they are; well, then, we are lucky and have nothing to worry about so I don't get the breathless worrying and reporting on the variants.  If they aren't; which is more typical of an annual "flu"; then it won't matter anyway. 

The current set of annual flu vaccines usually ranges at only about 60% effective each year...some years as low as 40%; sometimes 80%; but usually at 60%.   And just like the current set of flu vaccines, if you're below a certain age (usually 55); no need to get it.  if you do get it, there are treatments so it's a one week inconvenience.  If you're over :the age"; docs recommend you get it; but it's still a matter of choice.  You guys know what that is right?  Personal choice?  My choice, my body?  Or does that only apply to leftist causes?

We're going to have to get used to living with this ambiguity folks; like civilizations has for the last 100,000 years.    Harsin's approach to this is to treat adults like adults...novel concept for some apparently.  

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13 hours ago, homersapien said:

What are you trying to imply?  Some sort of conspiracy in reporting?

 

Conspiracy?   no....   a need to sensationalize and possibly skew the numbers for political reasons?  yes

 

https://cbs12.com/news/local/man-who-died-in-motorcycle-crash-counted-as-covid-19-death-in-florida-report