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4 minutes ago, homersapien said:

Nothing.

Certainly nothing psychologically, which is a lot more than you can say about the last guy.

Serious response.

Trump aside...he was crazy for coco puffs......but you don't see what just about everyone else sees? Half the time he doesn't seem like he even knows where he is, and just outright confused.....and not confused in a GWB way, things just went over his head. I wouldn't necessarily call it dementia or whatever, but he has the same mannerisms, look and all around behavior as my step dad did in his end years. One second he would be normal and the next second it would be like nobody's home when you look in his eyes. 

 

Hopefully you mean nothing is wrong...if you consider this is all due to his old age and past medical issues he's endured. If not, you are just as crazy as the trump fanatics that didn't think he had something wrong with him. 

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4 hours ago, creed said:

Fifty you post that you are equal when it comes to critiquing your own party along with the republicans but this one takes the cake. How was anything more important than honoring our fallen heroes? A picture paints a thousand words and this one is not a good read on the president. Remember the Andre Agassi quote "image is everything".

P.S. Also, If something was pressing there is a vice president that can fill in, but to me the VP has been MIA. What's going on?

well creed at least he showed up and did not bitch about it when he had to. i remember when raygun could not even talk. he had to get nancy to explain things to him and that is fact. and i have no idea on ms harris whom your side calls the whore on facebook. i do try to be fair. but after four years of trump telling folks he likes his heroes to be winners throwing off on john mccain. and i am pretty sure trump did not do what was right when john passed so lets try not to go over board here. at least biden will not try all that insurrection bullcrap. nice try tho.

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well creed at least he showed up and did not bitch about it when he had to. i remember when raygun could not even talk. he had to get nancy to explain things to him and that is fact. and i have no idea on ms harris whom your side calls the whore on facebook. i do try to be fair. but after four years of trump telling folks he likes his heroes to be winners throwing off on john mccain. and i am pretty sure trump did not do what was right when john passed so lets try not to go over board here. at least biden will not try all that insurrection bullcrap. nice try tho.

also there was always something going on about trump disrespecting folks and kissing ass to putin and the north korean guy among others.

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3 minutes ago, aubiefifty said:

well creed at least he showed up and did not bitch about it when he had to. i remember when raygun could not even talk. he had to get nancy to explain things to him and that is fact. and i have no idea on ms harris whom your side calls the whore on facebook. i do try to be fair. but after four years of trump telling folks he likes his heroes to be winners throwing off on john mccain. and i am pretty sure trump did not do what was right when john passed so lets try not to go over board here. at least biden will not try all that insurrection bullcrap. nice try tho.

Yada yada yada. Just a bunch of words. Plus my side is independent...definitely not democrat or republican.

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3 minutes ago, aubiefifty said:

also there was always something going on about trump disrespecting folks and kissing ass to putin and the north korean guy among others.

More yada yada yada. Trump is old history.

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1 minute ago, creed said:

More yada yada yada. Trump is old history.

history is still history period. thats all you got? you do not get a pass on all the crap trump did just because he lost the election. he did way worse to vets . he stole from their charity for gods sake. you let this one go. i am being nice here.

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Why are we talking about Trump anyways? Wasn’t  the OP about Biden…..I guess TDS doesn’t go away on its own. May I suggest disinfectant for it? 😂

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read it and weep creed. and get yout facts straight before you jump in someones s*** ok?

 

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USA TODAY

Fact check: Biden honored service members killed in Kabul, checked watch only after ceremony

Daniel Funke, USA TODAY
Wed, September 1, 2021, 1:12 PM
 
 
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The claim: Donald Trump saluted the caskets of fallen U.S. service members, while Joe Biden checked his watch

On Aug. 29, President Joe Biden paid his respects to U.S. service members who were killed in a terrorist attack at the Kabul airport. The president and first lady Jill Biden bowed and placed their hands over their hearts as 11 caskets were presented at Dover Air Force Base in Delaware.

But on social media, some doubted Biden's sincerity.

One popular post features two photos: one of Biden and one of now-former President Donald Trump. The picture shows Biden appearing to check his watch, Trump salutes as men in fatigues carry a casket draped in the American flag.

"A picture is worth a thousand words," reads text over the post, published Aug. 30 on Facebook.

Similar posts have racked up hundreds of thousands of interactions on Facebook and Instagram, according to CrowdTangle, a social media insights tool. An Aug. 29 Facebook Live video from Benny Johnson, a conservative commentator, accumulated more than 446,000 views within two days.

"BIDEN LOOKS AT HIS WATCH (!!!) AS CASKETS OF 13 SERVICE MEMBERS KILLED IN AFGHANISTAN ARE DELIVERED TO THEIR FAMILIES," reads the caption of the video, which shows a still of Biden purportedly checking his watch during the dignified transfer, a process that honors slain service members returning to the U.S.

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Biden has taken heat from all sides for the chaotic evacuation of U.S. troops, citizens and allies from Afghanistan. But the claim that he checked his watch instead of honoring the fallen service members is wrong.

USA TODAY reached out to social media users who shared the claim for comment.

Biden honored fallen troops

The full video of the dignified transfer ceremony shows Biden honored each of the fallen U.S. service members. He appeared to check his watch after the ceremony ended.

On Aug. 26, 11 Marines, one Navy hospital corpsman and an Army soldier were killed in bombings and gunfire at Hamid Karzai International Airport. ISIS-K, an Islamic State affiliate group in Afghanistan and Pakistan, claimed responsibility for the attack, which also killed at least 169 Afghans.

"These American service members who gave their lives ... they were heroes," Biden said during remarks after the terrorist attack. "Heroes who have been engaged in a dangerous, selfless mission to save the lives of others."

President Joe Biden, first lady Jill Biden, and other officials, attend the dignified transfer of the remains of fallen service members at Dover Air Force Base in Dover, Delaware, August, 29, 2021, after 13 members of the US military were killed in Afghanistan.
 
President Joe Biden, first lady Jill Biden, and other officials, attend the dignified transfer of the remains of fallen service members at Dover Air Force Base in Dover, Delaware, August, 29, 2021, after 13 members of the US military were killed in Afghanistan.

On Sunday, Biden met with service members' families and attended his first dignified transfer as president. Footage from the 45-minute ceremony shows Biden bowing his head and placing his hand over his heart as 11 caskets are carried off a plane and into gray vans. Two other transfers were conducted in private.

The way Biden paid his respects to the fallen service members is similar to what Trump did during his presidency.

The image of Trump in the Facebook posts appears to stem from a New York Times article published Nov. 21, 2019, when Trump attended a dignified transfer at Dover Air Force base to honor two Army soldiers killed in a helicopter crash in Afghanistan. During the brief ceremony, Trump saluted as two caskets were carried into a waiting van.

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For Biden, he did appear to check his watch during his visit to Dover Air Force Base. But he did so after the dignified transfer ceremony was over.

Footage leading up to the moment shows Biden with his hand over his heart for about 30 seconds as vans carry the service members' remains off the tarmac. After the vans had left, Biden closes his eyes briefly before dropping his arms and glancing down at his watch.

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At that point, everyone else in the video also stands at ease, indicating that the ceremony was over. About 35 seconds later, Biden and the first lady walk off the tarmac toward a black SUV.

USA TODAY reached out to the White House for comment.

Our rating: Partly false

Based on our research, we rate PARTLY FALSE the claim that Trump saluted the caskets of fallen U.S. service members, while Biden checked his watch. The pictures are real, but they don't accurately summarize the two events. The way Biden honored the 11 caskets presented at Dover Air Force Base, with a hand over his heart, was similar to how Trump paid respects to fallen service members during his presidency. Biden checked his watch, but he did so after the ceremony had ended.

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5 minutes ago, wdefromtx said:

Why are we talking about Trump anyways? Wasn’t  the OP about Biden…..I guess TDS doesn’t go away on its own. May I suggest disinfectant for it? 😂

Thank you.

Some people just want to change the subject because it's to uncomfortable for them to discuss the original topic.

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12 minutes ago, creed said:

Thank you.

Some people just want to change the subject because it's to uncomfortable for them to discuss the original topic.

Even if he only checked his watch after the last casket, it’s still a bad look and disrespectful. Makes him look like he’s got more important things to do. Wait until it’s completely over then check. 
 

We’ve already acknowledged Trump probably would have tweeted during it. 
 

Funny how the people that spent four years berating people that normalized Trump’s behavior are now claiming that Biden acts normal. Granted it’s in different capacities,  at a minimum it’s hypocritical. But then again, I’ve come to expect it. 
 

If Biden doesn’t have a teleprompter it’s painful and sad to watch. Hell even somethings with one it’s still sad to watch. 

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21 hours ago, aubiefifty said:

read it and weep creed. and get yout facts straight before you jump in someones s*** ok?

 

 

 

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USA TODAY

Fact check: Biden honored service members killed in Kabul, checked watch only after ceremony

Daniel Funke, USA TODAY
Wed, September 1, 2021, 1:12 PM
 
 
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The claim: Donald Trump saluted the caskets of fallen U.S. service members, while Joe Biden checked his watch

On Aug. 29, President Joe Biden paid his respects to U.S. service members who were killed in a terrorist attack at the Kabul airport. The president and first lady Jill Biden bowed and placed their hands over their hearts as 11 caskets were presented at Dover Air Force Base in Delaware.

But on social media, some doubted Biden's sincerity.

One popular post features two photos: one of Biden and one of now-former President Donald Trump. The picture shows Biden appearing to check his watch, Trump salutes as men in fatigues carry a casket draped in the American flag.

"A picture is worth a thousand words," reads text over the post, published Aug. 30 on Facebook.

Similar posts have racked up hundreds of thousands of interactions on Facebook and Instagram, according to CrowdTangle, a social media insights tool. An Aug. 29 Facebook Live video from Benny Johnson, a conservative commentator, accumulated more than 446,000 views within two days.

"BIDEN LOOKS AT HIS WATCH (!!!) AS CASKETS OF 13 SERVICE MEMBERS KILLED IN AFGHANISTAN ARE DELIVERED TO THEIR FAMILIES," reads the caption of the video, which shows a still of Biden purportedly checking his watch during the dignified transfer, a process that honors slain service members returning to the U.S.

Fact check: President Joe Biden did not sleep through meeting with new Israeli prime minister

Biden has taken heat from all sides for the chaotic evacuation of U.S. troops, citizens and allies from Afghanistan. But the claim that he checked his watch instead of honoring the fallen service members is wrong.

USA TODAY reached out to social media users who shared the claim for comment.

Biden honored fallen troops

The full video of the dignified transfer ceremony shows Biden honored each of the fallen U.S. service members. He appeared to check his watch after the ceremony ended.

On Aug. 26, 11 Marines, one Navy hospital corpsman and an Army soldier were killed in bombings and gunfire at Hamid Karzai International Airport. ISIS-K, an Islamic State affiliate group in Afghanistan and Pakistan, claimed responsibility for the attack, which also killed at least 169 Afghans.

"These American service members who gave their lives ... they were heroes," Biden said during remarks after the terrorist attack. "Heroes who have been engaged in a dangerous, selfless mission to save the lives of others."

President Joe Biden, first lady Jill Biden, and other officials, attend the dignified transfer of the remains of fallen service members at Dover Air Force Base in Dover, Delaware, August, 29, 2021, after 13 members of the US military were killed in Afghanistan.
 
President Joe Biden, first lady Jill Biden, and other officials, attend the dignified transfer of the remains of fallen service members at Dover Air Force Base in Dover, Delaware, August, 29, 2021, after 13 members of the US military were killed in Afghanistan.

On Sunday, Biden met with service members' families and attended his first dignified transfer as president. Footage from the 45-minute ceremony shows Biden bowing his head and placing his hand over his heart as 11 caskets are carried off a plane and into gray vans. Two other transfers were conducted in private.

The way Biden paid his respects to the fallen service members is similar to what Trump did during his presidency.

The image of Trump in the Facebook posts appears to stem from a New York Times article published Nov. 21, 2019, when Trump attended a dignified transfer at Dover Air Force base to honor two Army soldiers killed in a helicopter crash in Afghanistan. During the brief ceremony, Trump saluted as two caskets were carried into a waiting van.

Embed from Getty Images

For Biden, he did appear to check his watch during his visit to Dover Air Force Base. But he did so after the dignified transfer ceremony was over.

Footage leading up to the moment shows Biden with his hand over his heart for about 30 seconds as vans carry the service members' remains off the tarmac. After the vans had left, Biden closes his eyes briefly before dropping his arms and glancing down at his watch.

Fact check: Posts misrepresent Biden kneeling for photo with Seattle Storm at the White House

At that point, everyone else in the video also stands at ease, indicating that the ceremony was over. About 35 seconds later, Biden and the first lady walk off the tarmac toward a black SUV.

USA TODAY reached out to the White House for comment.

Our rating: Partly false

Based on our research, we rate PARTLY FALSE the claim that Trump saluted the caskets of fallen U.S. service members, while Biden checked his watch. The pictures are real, but they don't accurately summarize the two events. The way Biden honored the 11 caskets presented at Dover Air Force Base, with a hand over his heart, was similar to how Trump paid respects to fallen service members during his presidency. Biden checked his watch, but he did so after the ceremony had ended.

I stand corrected. The president did wait a few seconds after the ceremony to check his watch.

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On 9/1/2021 at 8:37 PM, creed said:

More yada yada yada. Trump is old history.

Not exactly "old" history.  Trump's legacy is still very much alive.

Kevin McCarthy emerges as a demagogue in his own right

Columnist
9-2-21
 

House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy’s threat that Republicans “will not forget” if telecommunications companies comply with requests for email and phone records by the Jan. 6 committee marks a coming out of sorts.

 

For years, McCarthy (R-Calif.) has been former president Donald Trump’s factotum — a groveler and sniveler, held in obvious contempt by the object of his loyalty. You can usually identify the minority leader in a picture by his hunted expression.

But now McCarthy is emerging as a demagogue in his own right. His obstruction of a congressional inquiry is probably a violation of House ethics rules, and maybe even a violation of federal law. But that is presumably the point: McCarthy wants to show his chest hair and spitting skills in a party where toxic masculinity has become the dominant political philosophy.

It is possible, even probable, that the minority leader is also hiding something — either in his own conduct during the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol, or in the conduct of his caucus. But in his chosen response, McCarthy has fully adopted the MAGA conception of governing as gangsterism.

With the notable exception of the Senate minority leader, Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), the GOP’s national leadership has now enthusiastically embraced as its platform the lawless pursuit and exercise of power. This creates a predictable cascade of further problems as the right’s entire ideological spectrum becomes red-shifted.

The American right has generally had three roles or slots that define its coalition: a governing conservatism, a movement conservatism and a populist right wing. Through most of my political lifetime, the governing slot consisted of moderate conservatives such as George H.W. Bush, George W. Bush and John McCain, and legislative pragmatists such as Bob Dole.

Liberal Republicans such as Nelson Rockefeller had already been shifted out of the coalition by the Reagan Revolution, leaving a uniformly conservative party. But the governing conservatives sought the political support of centrists and desired legislative cooperation with Democrats (see No Child Left Behind).

In the older era, movement conservatives saw their main job as stiffening the ideological spines of governing conservatives. Anti-tax advocates, pro-life activists and judicial originalists gathered in places such as Grover Norquist’s Wednesday meetings or the Heritage Foundation to encourage conservative purity and punish heterodoxy.

The populist right wing consisted of people such as Pat Buchanan, who styled themselves as “peasants with pitchforks.” They practiced a transgressive politics, seethed about racial and ethnic changes in the country, and reserved their hardest criticism for the globalists of the Republican establishment. Governing Republicans wanted them to stay in the party, but not to define it.

Since the rise of Trump, and his effective solidification of control over the GOP, the content of these slots has moved two slots rightward. What was the Buchanan right is now the governing face of the party, further radicalized by its temporary access to executive power.

The role of movement conservatives is now played by Christian nationalists, true QAnon believers, anti-maskers and anti-vaxxers of the conspiratorial right. Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) and her ilk do not so much push rightward as downward, into a rabbit hole of destructive insanity.

The right-wing populist slot is now filled by the militia movement, the Proud Boys, neo-confederates and various white supremacists. Their activism is more of the kidnap-the-governor-of-Michigan and brutalize-Capitol-Police-officers variety. They have been invited into the GOP coalition by Trump’s consistent refusal to adequately repudiate them. And people such as Rep. Madison Cawthorn (R-N.C.) feed their appetite for apocalyptic “bloodshed.”

What has happened to other Republicans left chairless when the music stopped? Moderate conservatives have been pushed so far from the governing center of the GOP that many wonder about their future in the party. Even the movement conservatives of the 1990s and 2000s have been red-shifted out of an obvious role. People such as Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) and McCarthy were presented with the political choice of adapt or die. And they are consummate adapters.

Here is the problem: When a leader such as McCarthy fully embraces Trumpism — both its content and methods — as the essence of governing Republicanism, he is not only determining the predominant ideology of his party. He is also implicitly affirming the new ideological ecosystem of the American right — its lawless governing theory, its cultlike conspiracy theories and its threat of political violence. This is very much a package deal.

For this reason, the next two national elections may determine the future of constitutionalism and democratic liberalism in America. The political future is unpredictable and ever-changing. But here is something you can depend on: The elevation of McCarthy to House speaker would be a disastrous day for the Republic.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/09/02/kevin-mccarthy-embraces-trumpism-republican-demagogue/

 

 

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1 hour ago, homersapien said:

Not exactly "old" history.  Trump's legacy is still very much alive.

Kevin McCarthy emerges as a demagogue in his own right

Columnist
9-2-21
 

House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy’s threat that Republicans “will not forget” if telecommunications companies comply with requests for email and phone records by the Jan. 6 committee marks a coming out of sorts.

 

For years, McCarthy (R-Calif.) has been former president Donald Trump’s factotum — a groveler and sniveler, held in obvious contempt by the object of his loyalty. You can usually identify the minority leader in a picture by his hunted expression.

But now McCarthy is emerging as a demagogue in his own right. His obstruction of a congressional inquiry is probably a violation of House ethics rules, and maybe even a violation of federal law. But that is presumably the point: McCarthy wants to show his chest hair and spitting skills in a party where toxic masculinity has become the dominant political philosophy.

It is possible, even probable, that the minority leader is also hiding something — either in his own conduct during the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol, or in the conduct of his caucus. But in his chosen response, McCarthy has fully adopted the MAGA conception of governing as gangsterism.

With the notable exception of the Senate minority leader, Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), the GOP’s national leadership has now enthusiastically embraced as its platform the lawless pursuit and exercise of power. This creates a predictable cascade of further problems as the right’s entire ideological spectrum becomes red-shifted.

The American right has generally had three roles or slots that define its coalition: a governing conservatism, a movement conservatism and a populist right wing. Through most of my political lifetime, the governing slot consisted of moderate conservatives such as George H.W. Bush, George W. Bush and John McCain, and legislative pragmatists such as Bob Dole.

Liberal Republicans such as Nelson Rockefeller had already been shifted out of the coalition by the Reagan Revolution, leaving a uniformly conservative party. But the governing conservatives sought the political support of centrists and desired legislative cooperation with Democrats (see No Child Left Behind).

In the older era, movement conservatives saw their main job as stiffening the ideological spines of governing conservatives. Anti-tax advocates, pro-life activists and judicial originalists gathered in places such as Grover Norquist’s Wednesday meetings or the Heritage Foundation to encourage conservative purity and punish heterodoxy.

The populist right wing consisted of people such as Pat Buchanan, who styled themselves as “peasants with pitchforks.” They practiced a transgressive politics, seethed about racial and ethnic changes in the country, and reserved their hardest criticism for the globalists of the Republican establishment. Governing Republicans wanted them to stay in the party, but not to define it.

Since the rise of Trump, and his effective solidification of control over the GOP, the content of these slots has moved two slots rightward. What was the Buchanan right is now the governing face of the party, further radicalized by its temporary access to executive power.

The role of movement conservatives is now played by Christian nationalists, true QAnon believers, anti-maskers and anti-vaxxers of the conspiratorial right. Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) and her ilk do not so much push rightward as downward, into a rabbit hole of destructive insanity.

The right-wing populist slot is now filled by the militia movement, the Proud Boys, neo-confederates and various white supremacists. Their activism is more of the kidnap-the-governor-of-Michigan and brutalize-Capitol-Police-officers variety. They have been invited into the GOP coalition by Trump’s consistent refusal to adequately repudiate them. And people such as Rep. Madison Cawthorn (R-N.C.) feed their appetite for apocalyptic “bloodshed.”

What has happened to other Republicans left chairless when the music stopped? Moderate conservatives have been pushed so far from the governing center of the GOP that many wonder about their future in the party. Even the movement conservatives of the 1990s and 2000s have been red-shifted out of an obvious role. People such as Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) and McCarthy were presented with the political choice of adapt or die. And they are consummate adapters.

Here is the problem: When a leader such as McCarthy fully embraces Trumpism — both its content and methods — as the essence of governing Republicanism, he is not only determining the predominant ideology of his party. He is also implicitly affirming the new ideological ecosystem of the American right — its lawless governing theory, its cultlike conspiracy theories and its threat of political violence. This is very much a package deal.

For this reason, the next two national elections may determine the future of constitutionalism and democratic liberalism in America. The political future is unpredictable and ever-changing. But here is something you can depend on: The elevation of McCarthy to House speaker would be a disastrous day for the Republic.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/09/02/kevin-mccarthy-embraces-trumpism-republican-demagogue/

 

 

How does this relate to Biden checking his watch? You must have accidentally posted in the wrong thread........

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On 9/1/2021 at 8:21 PM, wdefromtx said:

Even if he only checked his watch after the last casket, it’s still a bad look and disrespectful. Makes him look like he’s got more important things to do. Wait until it’s completely over then check. 
 

We’ve already acknowledged Trump probably would have tweeted during it. 
 

Funny how the people that spent four years berating people that normalized Trump’s behavior are now claiming that Biden acts normal. Granted it’s in different capacities,  at a minimum it’s hypocritical. But then again, I’ve come to expect it. 
 

If Biden doesn’t have a teleprompter it’s painful and sad to watch. Hell even somethings with one it’s still sad to watch. 

@homersapien Facepalm all you want, but the stench of hypocrisy is quite thick on these boards................

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1 hour ago, wdefromtx said:

How does this relate to Biden checking his watch? You must have accidentally posted in the wrong thread........

Did you not see the post I quoted?

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30 minutes ago, homersapien said:

It wasn't me who pissed in your cheerios.

You didn't just calling out your and other's hypocrisy.......that is all. 

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32 minutes ago, homersapien said:

Did you not see the post I quoted?

Which was a response to either you are someone else dragging trump into the conversation............which again, what does trump have to do with Biden checking his watch?

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2 minutes ago, wdefromtx said:

You didn't just calling out your and other's hypocrisy.......that is all. 

What was that hypocrisy again, specifically?

Because I don't buy into the premise that Biden is obviously senile?

Or is it I don't equivocate Biden to Trump in terms of competence?

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3 minutes ago, wdefromtx said:

Which was a response to either you are someone else dragging trump into the conversation............which again, what does trump have to do with Biden checking his watch?

No, it was making the point that Trump is hardly "old" history.  Hell, I think he plans to run again.

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What was that hypocrisy again, specifically?

Your blatant denial of recognizing that Biden's behavior is not normal or at a minimum normalizing it.....which you complained about trump supporters doing for 4 years. This isn't a comparison of Biden vs Trump. but the fact that Biden's behavior is weird to say the least.

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36 minutes ago, wdefromtx said:

Which was a response to either you are someone else dragging trump into the conversation............which again, what does trump have to do with Biden checking his watch?

What does Biden checking his watch at the end of a solemn ceremony have to do with senility?

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50 minutes ago, wdefromtx said:

Your blatant denial of recognizing that Biden's behavior is not normal or at a minimum normalizing it.....which you complained about trump supporters doing for 4 years. This isn't a comparison of Biden vs Trump. but the fact that Biden's behavior is weird to say the least.

Stop begging the question.  I am not denying anything, I just don't see it.

Biden has a set of priorities which are desperately needed by our country.  That agenda did not come from a "senile" mind.

I'll borrow from a Wapo opinion piece to relate that agenda (in blue) because it's the easiest way for me to do so:

From: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/09/03/manchin-oped-threat-biden-reconciliation-bill/

When President Biden travels to storm-ravaged Louisiana on Friday, he will continue amplifying the case for getting much more serious about tackling the climate change that is fueling such extreme weather events. That’s a message directed not just at the nation, but also at the world.

Unfortunately, Sen. Joe Manchin III is going to great lengths to dramatically undermine Biden’s ability to deliver this message — and to act on it. And this could have dire long term consequences, in all kinds of hidden ways.

The West Virginia Democrat is threatening to withdraw support for Biden’s $3.5 trillion “human infrastructure” package. In a Wall Street Journal piece, Manchin urges a “pause” on the bill and calls for “significantly reducing” its size “to only what America can afford and needs to spend.”

Most obviously, this could upend the “two track” strategy, under which progressives support the $1 trillion bipartisan “hard” infrastructure bill on the understanding that centrists such as Manchin will back the reconciliation measure. That could implode Biden’s whole agenda.

But this is deeply dangerous in another, less obvious way, one that turns on the reconciliation bill’s provisions to combat climate change. Those are not just critical to Biden’s global warming agenda — which is central to the long-term success of his presidency — but would also propel us into this fall’s global climate conference while showing that the United States is leading by example.

It’s galling that the word “climate” appears nowhere in Manchin’s piece, even as he piously suggests he has a divinely inspired reading of what America truly “needs to spend.” This is doubly absurd, given that he sternly lectures us about how this spending will imperil our ability to meet “future crises.”

Newsflash, senator: The climate crisis is already upon us. As an alarming New York Times piece details, it isn’t just that these extreme weather events are revealing how unprepared we are to handle the short-term consequences (storms, floods, heat waves, wrecked infrastructure, deaths) of global warming.

Worse, the longer we delay, the harder it will become to get a handle on global warming itself:

There are limits to how much the country, and the world, can adapt. And if nations don’t do more to cut greenhouse gas emissions that are driving climate change, they may soon run up against the outer edges of resilience.

So the stakes for the reconciliation bill are extremely high. The two main pillars of its climate agenda are its Clean Energy Standard, which would phase down production of greenhouse gas emissions in electricity generation, and its massive subsidies for renewable energy sources.

These two reinforce each other, as David Roberts explains: The first boosts demand for renewable energy sources to produce electricity, and the second increases supply of renewable sources. Paul Krugman frames the need for this starkly:

The bad news is that if these proposals aren’t enacted, it will probably be a very long time — quite possibly a decade or more — before we get another chance at significant climate policy.

That’s terrible enough. But let’s also note that failure could spill over into the U.N. climate conference in Glasgow this fall.

“This is pivotal,” Alice Hill, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, told me. If the United States gets knocked off the track to passing that climate agenda, we will have “little to show” in terms of real “ambition to reduce harmful carbon pollution.”

That would send “a signal to the world” that the United States “isn’t taking this seriously,” Hill said, which would “embolden other nations to choose not to engage.”

This fall’s conference represents an opportunity for countries “to change the course of history” by showing “great ambition on climate change,” Hill said. “Without the reconciliation bill, the opportunity presented is likely missed.”

There’s more. Manchin justifies his demand for a “pause” on spending by citing fears of inflation. But that’s a terrible theoretical pitfall. As economist J.W. Mason told Eric Levitz, a big threat posed by inflated inflation fears is that they could become a justification for efforts to “scale back our plans for decarbonization.”

The irony, as Mason noted, is that volatile fossil fuel prices are themselves introducing “instability into the economic system,” so inflation actually tells us that “we need to transition faster away from fossil fuels.” Manchin is learning exactly the wrong message, threatening awful consequences.

A broader opportunity squandered?

Need still more? After the Afghanistan pullout, Biden is under great pressure to demonstrate that he’s executing a broader pivot to a new, more constructive international posture.

As senior White House advisers told David Rothkopf, the exit from the costly, failed “war on terror” is part of a broader reorientation, one that abandons fantasies of American exceptionalism and substitutes a more constructive understanding of what U.S. international engagement can accomplish in the face of new global challenges.

Showing international leadership on climate, arguably our biggest such challenge, is central to getting that reorientation right. So the stakes riding on that are formidable.

We don’t know how long a “pause” Manchin envisions. It could merely be a prelude to extracting a pound of flesh, in the form of downsizing the reconciliation bill’s spending but not by too much, an outcome we all expect anyway.

But let’s not be under any illusions about how dire the consequences would truly be if Manchin really means what he says.

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Bottom line I am focused on Biden's priorities. 

Accomplishing that agenda is very problematic, IMO.  But if he can accomplish it with a "senile" mind, then we need to elect more "senile" presidents.

I'll leave the minor BS -  like checking his watch - for the MAGAs to obsess on. Until I see more convincing evidence than you have presented, I'll give him the benefit of doubt. 

That's the least I can do for a president who is trying to lead us in the right direction (for a change).

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20 minutes ago, homersapien said:

Stop begging the question.  I am not denying anything, I just don't see it.

Biden has a set of priorities which are desperately needed by our country.  That agenda did not come from a "senile" mind.

I'll borrow from a Wapo opinion piece to relate that agenda (in blue) because it's the easiest way for me to do so:

From: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/09/03/manchin-oped-threat-biden-reconciliation-bill/

When President Biden travels to storm-ravaged Louisiana on Friday, he will continue amplifying the case for getting much more serious about tackling the climate change that is fueling such extreme weather events. That’s a message directed not just at the nation, but also at the world.

Unfortunately, Sen. Joe Manchin III is going to great lengths to dramatically undermine Biden’s ability to deliver this message — and to act on it. And this could have dire long term consequences, in all kinds of hidden ways.

The West Virginia Democrat is threatening to withdraw support for Biden’s $3.5 trillion “human infrastructure” package. In a Wall Street Journal piece, Manchin urges a “pause” on the bill and calls for “significantly reducing” its size “to only what America can afford and needs to spend.”

Most obviously, this could upend the “two track” strategy, under which progressives support the $1 trillion bipartisan “hard” infrastructure bill on the understanding that centrists such as Manchin will back the reconciliation measure. That could implode Biden’s whole agenda.

But this is deeply dangerous in another, less obvious way, one that turns on the reconciliation bill’s provisions to combat climate change. Those are not just critical to Biden’s global warming agenda — which is central to the long-term success of his presidency — but would also propel us into this fall’s global climate conference while showing that the United States is leading by example.

It’s galling that the word “climate” appears nowhere in Manchin’s piece, even as he piously suggests he has a divinely inspired reading of what America truly “needs to spend.” This is doubly absurd, given that he sternly lectures us about how this spending will imperil our ability to meet “future crises.”

Newsflash, senator: The climate crisis is already upon us. As an alarming New York Times piece details, it isn’t just that these extreme weather events are revealing how unprepared we are to handle the short-term consequences (storms, floods, heat waves, wrecked infrastructure, deaths) of global warming.

Worse, the longer we delay, the harder it will become to get a handle on global warming itself:

There are limits to how much the country, and the world, can adapt. And if nations don’t do more to cut greenhouse gas emissions that are driving climate change, they may soon run up against the outer edges of resilience.

So the stakes for the reconciliation bill are extremely high. The two main pillars of its climate agenda are its Clean Energy Standard, which would phase down production of greenhouse gas emissions in electricity generation, and its massive subsidies for renewable energy sources.

These two reinforce each other, as David Roberts explains: The first boosts demand for renewable energy sources to produce electricity, and the second increases supply of renewable sources. Paul Krugman frames the need for this starkly:

The bad news is that if these proposals aren’t enacted, it will probably be a very long time — quite possibly a decade or more — before we get another chance at significant climate policy.

That’s terrible enough. But let’s also note that failure could spill over into the U.N. climate conference in Glasgow this fall.

“This is pivotal,” Alice Hill, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, told me. If the United States gets knocked off the track to passing that climate agenda, we will have “little to show” in terms of real “ambition to reduce harmful carbon pollution.”

That would send “a signal to the world” that the United States “isn’t taking this seriously,” Hill said, which would “embolden other nations to choose not to engage.”

This fall’s conference represents an opportunity for countries “to change the course of history” by showing “great ambition on climate change,” Hill said. “Without the reconciliation bill, the opportunity presented is likely missed.”

There’s more. Manchin justifies his demand for a “pause” on spending by citing fears of inflation. But that’s a terrible theoretical pitfall. As economist J.W. Mason told Eric Levitz, a big threat posed by inflated inflation fears is that they could become a justification for efforts to “scale back our plans for decarbonization.”

The irony, as Mason noted, is that volatile fossil fuel prices are themselves introducing “instability into the economic system,” so inflation actually tells us that “we need to transition faster away from fossil fuels.” Manchin is learning exactly the wrong message, threatening awful consequences.

A broader opportunity squandered?

Need still more? After the Afghanistan pullout, Biden is under great pressure to demonstrate that he’s executing a broader pivot to a new, more constructive international posture.

As senior White House advisers told David Rothkopf, the exit from the costly, failed “war on terror” is part of a broader reorientation, one that abandons fantasies of American exceptionalism and substitutes a more constructive understanding of what U.S. international engagement can accomplish in the face of new global challenges.

Showing international leadership on climate, arguably our biggest such challenge, is central to getting that reorientation right. So the stakes riding on that are formidable.

We don’t know how long a “pause” Manchin envisions. It could merely be a prelude to extracting a pound of flesh, in the form of downsizing the reconciliation bill’s spending but not by too much, an outcome we all expect anyway.

But let’s not be under any illusions about how dire the consequences would truly be if Manchin really means what he says.

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Bottom line I am focused on Biden's priorities. 

Accomplishing that agenda is very problematic, IMO.  But if he can accomplish it with a "senile" mind, then we need to elect more "senile" presidents.

I'll leave the minor BS -  like checking his watch - for the MAGAs to obsess on. Until I see more convincing evidence than you have presented, I'll give him the benefit of doubt. 

That's the least I can do for a president who is trying to lead us in the right direction (for a change).

This goes way beyond him checking his watch..........all you have to do is open your eyes. The checking of the watch was just the OP's segway into asking about Biden.....

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53 minutes ago, wdefromtx said:

This goes way beyond him checking his watch..........all you have to do is open your eyes. The checking of the watch was just the OP's segway into asking about Biden.....

Ok, lets play a game just for the fun of it. 

 

Conservative are always harping about "BiDeN HaS DeMenTiA!?!??!" non-stop since he won the primary. 

 

So ok...lets assume Biden does have some form of dementia and you believe he can't do the job competently. 

 

What is your and the Conservatives solution here? Impeachment or the 25th Amendment? That would lead to Kamala Harris as President? Is that the Republicans preference? 

 

The very idea of having a progressive black woman as president would instantly make most Conservatives gag on their Natty Lite and spit it all over their sweat stained wife-beaters.  Probably punch holes right through their trailer walls at the notion. 

But then again I can see Conservatives believing that Harris might be an easier incumbent to beat in 2024 than Biden would be.

 

 

 

 

 

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