homersapien 9,489 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 1 hour ago, Son of A Tiger said: Looks like the National Archives is a member in good standing of the liars club. National Archives dismissed claims of mishandled Obama-Biden documents weeks before first batch was found | Fox News There's a big difference between a mistake and a lie. More importantly, what does this have to do with Trump's document scandal timeline? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of A Tiger 83 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 On 1/16/2023 at 11:55 AM, homersapien said: I can't believe Republicans actually believe they are going to "win" this issue. Another opinion FWIW Why Biden and Trump Are Both Trapped in Secret-Document Scandals | The Nation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of A Tiger 83 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 2 minutes ago, homersapien said: There's a big difference between a mistake and a lie. ---you would make a good politician. More importantly, what does this have to do with Trump's document scandal timeline?---It has everything to do with Biden which is a subject here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 9,489 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 (edited) 20 hours ago, Son of A Tiger said: Another opinion FWIW Why Biden and Trump Are Both Trapped in Secret-Document Scandals | The Nation Actually I agree with a lot of what that article said, especially: ".....any prosecution of Trump will be narrowly based: not on the possession of secret documents but on obstruction of justice." Which is the point I have been making all along. It represents the crux of the difference between the two cases. Like I said, had Trump behaved like Biden and cooperated with the Archives directory, we'd only be discussing the general problem of politicians taking documents they shouldn't be. (Which is apparently, quite common.) As it is, if Trump is held accountable, it will be because - unlike Biden - he resisted returning them (aka obstruction). Edited January 18 by homersapien 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of A Tiger 83 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 (edited) 3 minutes ago, homersapien said: Actually I agree with a lot of what that article said, especially: ".....any prosecution of Trump will be narrowly based: not on the possession of secret documents but on obstruction of justice." Which is the point I have been making all along. It represents the crux of the difference between the two cases. Like I said, had Trump behaved like Biden and cooperated with the Archives directory, we'd only be discussing the general problem of politicians taking documents they shouldn't be. (Which is apparently, quite common.) As it is, if Trump is held accountable, it will be because - unlike Biden - he tried to resist their return. It also expresses that the whole mess is beneficial to the GOP which you disagreed with in an earlier post. As a side note....if you what to play the down vote game I'm in Edited January 17 by Son of A Tiger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 9,489 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 7 minutes ago, Son of A Tiger said: There's a big difference between a mistake and a lie. ---you would make a good politician. By telling the truth? You do believe a mistake is not the same as a lie don't you? More importantly, what does this have to do with Trump's document scandal timeline?---It has everything to do with Biden which is a subject here. But you posted it as a response to my post which was about the time line for Trump. You should have just posted as an independent statement since it had NOTHING to do with my post. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of A Tiger 83 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 (edited) 6 minutes ago, homersapien said: My goodness. Terrible mistake on my part. So I will run along and do something constructive. Edited January 17 by Son of A Tiger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 9,489 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 (edited) On 1/17/2023 at 4:56 PM, Son of A Tiger said: It also expresses that the whole mess is beneficial to the GOP which you disagreed with in an earlier post. As a side note....if you what to play the down vote game I'm in Well, the GOP will certainly try to make it beneficial to them by trying to equate them. But my point is they cannot push for a thorough investigation of Biden without including the same sort of investigation of Trump. Biden will get a pass on simply taking the documents (as would have Trump without his resistant response.) The Trump investigation will focus on that resistant response. This also opens up the question of intent - why did he not want to simply return them? Furthermore, the quantitative - if not qualitative - differences in the respective document troves will come out. My understanding is that Trump kept far, far more than Biden did. Bottom line, Trump - who is running for the Republican nomination - is way more vulnerable legally than Biden on this. Both were wrong initially, but Trump's subsequent behavior was much worse, criminal in fact. So, if Republicans think they are going to come out ahead on this, they are mistaken. Edited January 20 by homersapien 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PUB78 947 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 On 1/17/2023 at 4:11 PM, homersapien said: Well, the GOP will certainly try to make it beneficial to them by trying to equate them. But my point is they cannot push for a thorough investigation of Biden without including the same sort of investigation of Trump. Biden will get a pass on simply taking the documents (as would have Trump without his resistant response.) The Trump investigation will focus on that resistant response. This also opens up the question of intent - why did he not want to simply return them? Furthermore, the quantitative - if not qualitative - differences in the respective document troves will come out. My understanding is that Trump kept far, far more than Biden did. Bottom line, Trump - who is running for the Republican nomination - is way more vulnerable legally than Biden on this. Both were wrong initially, but Trump's subsequent behavior was much worse, criminal in fact. So, if Republicans think they are going to come out ahead on this, they are mistaken. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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I_M4_AU 5,561 Posted Wednesday at 08:14 PM Author Share Posted Wednesday at 08:14 PM From last March: Today: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_M4_AU 5,561 Posted Thursday at 09:48 PM Author Share Posted Thursday at 09:48 PM I guess we are now at $139,000 dollars now instead of $400,000: I wonder if this is doubled for couples. I guess we’ll find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_M4_AU 5,561 Posted Friday at 02:09 PM Author Share Posted Friday at 02:09 PM Does he even know what he is talking about anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLAG-91 1,151 Posted Sunday at 01:46 PM Share Posted Sunday at 01:46 PM On 1/25/2023 at 11:20 AM, I_M4_AU said: Pssh...details. Knowing trivial stuff like, oh, actual Cabinet positions (for which he purportedly submitted nominees) doesn't matter a whit. I mean, hell, Secretary of War would have been better, and that position was abolished over 75 years ago to create the current SecDef spot. That was back when Joe was driving 18-wheelers and telling Corn Pop what was up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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