With Gus, Did we Ever Lose 5 in a Row?

[Rednilla 5,383]

3 minutes ago, e808 said:

What coach would try and defend a losing record. I have moved on.

Since Shug Jordan retired, we have had a total of two coaches who lasted a full decade at Auburn. Want to know what they have in common with Bryan Harsin? Yep, you guessed it: a record 1 game under .500 in their first season.

But no, the sky is falling, the sky is falling...

[e808 3,020]

1 minute ago, Rednilla said:

When did Harsin try to defend the losing record? Just because it happened doesn't mean he liked it. I mean, can you seriously not understand that?

I didn’t say he liked it. It was a discussion that’s was talked about either yesterday or the day before. It’s a new year if u want to keep on whatever I said knock yourself out.

[e808 3,020]

2 minutes ago, Rednilla said:

Since Shug Jordan retired, we have had a total of two coaches who lasted a full decade at Auburn. Want to know what they have in common with Bryan Harsin? Yep, you guessed it: a record 1 game under .500 in their first season.

But no, the sky is falling, the sky is falling...

Nobody said the sky is falling but it can be discussed we aren’t in the 60, 70s or 80s . We are in completely different times. Just because it worked for them doesn’t mean it will work for him. I am done with it u can keep if u like. On to the spring

[Rednilla 5,383]

1 minute ago, e808 said:

I didn’t say he liked it. It was a discussion that’s was talked about either yesterday or the day before. It’s a new year if u want to keep on whatever I said knock yourself out.

I wasn't implying that you did say he liked it. I was explaining the difference in the mentalities of the last two coaches, which is what that tweet you responded to was getting at. Would you rather play for a guy who is upset at going 6-7 and wants to work to do everything possible to improve, or play for a guy who tries to convince the fan base that 6-4 isn't that bad?

[Rednilla 5,383]

2 minutes ago, e808 said:

Nobody said the sky is falling but it can be discussed we aren’t in the 60, 70s or 80s . We are in completely different times. Just because it worked for them doesn’t mean it will work for him. I am done with it u can keep if u like. On to the spring

You said, "Make it make sense." Now you're saying you don't want it to make sense, you just want to forget about it and move on. Right.

[e808 3,020]

32 minutes ago, Rednilla said:

I wasn't implying that you did say he liked it. I was explaining the difference in the mentalities of the last two coaches, which is what that tweet you responded to was getting at. Would you rather play for a guy who is upset at going 6-7 and wants to work to do everything possible to improve, or play for a guy who tries to convince the fan base that 6-4 isn't that bad?

First off that post isn’t from a staffer or even a playe . It’s from a random fan that supports CBH. It has no more merit then anyone giving an opinion on this board. 

The guy has won every he went so what exactly is is mentality. If he didn’t want to win Auburn wouldn’t have went to a he BCS and on the verge of another.

The problem was he believed in system so much that he didn’t evolve The comment was made during an all SEC schedule and if u probably asked again there would be more text to the answer. 

So my answer basically saying it was a losing record because mediocre status wasn’t even reached.

U can have the greatest mentality in the world but at the end of the day it’s measured in win and losses. U are getting paid millions soon as u sign the contract u are on the clock.

[slyinsocal 831]

On 12/30/2021 at 9:16 PM, e808 said:

U have a point but they beat Auburn with the coach claiming they only ran like 4 plays and a Grad Assistant at QB (something like that).

Correct. A loss is a loss. But yeah. Let’s rub it in as much as possible with quotes from the opposing team. Even if our own QB didn’t go through spring practice and was making his first start. That’s not enough. Let’s rub it in a little more. Let’s throw overall records out there in an effort to hold an opposing 1st year coach higher than our own? Beamer squeezed about as much as he could out of that schedule. Probably exceeded expectations. Ok. So what? Weaker schedule. More blow outs losses.

[slyinsocal 831]

2 hours ago, e808 said:

First off that post isn’t from a staffer or even a playe . It’s from a random fan that supports CBH. It has no more merit then anyone giving an opinion on this board. 

The guy has won every he went so what exactly is is mentality. If he didn’t want to win Auburn wouldn’t have went to a he BCS and on the verge of another.

The problem was he believed in system so much that he didn’t evolve The comment was made during an all SEC schedule and if u probably asked again there would be more text to the answer. 

So my answer basically saying it was a losing record because mediocre status wasn’t even reached.

U can have the greatest mentality in the world but at the end of the day it’s measured in win and losses. U are getting paid millions soon as u sign the contract u are on the clock.

Then you’re dissing a lot of coaches whose 1st year didn’t achieve “mediocre” status. I guess Dye was mediocre his first year? Tuberville? No one is saying CBH is equal to either one. Baylor’s Dave Amanda goes 2-7 last year. Would our fanbase have welcomed him back for a 2nd year? The record is the record. Remember?

Edited January 2, 2022 by slyinsocal

[cole256 17,039]

The problem was the coach before him didn't leave too many good players on the team. The coach before him absolutely didn't recruit well and didn't have any depth on the team. That's what the problem was. 

[e808 3,020]

8 hours ago, slyinsocal said:

Then you’re dissing a lot of coaches whose 1st year didn’t achieve “mediocre” status. I guess Dye was mediocre his first year? Tuberville? No one is saying CBH is equal to either one. Baylor’s Dave Amanda goes 2-7 last year. Would our fanbase have welcomed him back for a 2nd year? The record is the record. Remember?

For the 100th time no one has talked about running the coach off. Those are your words not mines. Just because u pick a side doesn’t mean everyone will agree with u. It seems that everyone that has voiced displeasure on the things regarding the season has been interpreted into wanting the coach fired. 
If u have seen my previous post I have repeated stated that CBH will get 3 or 4 year to see what he can do but u conveniently left that out.

Matter of fact some of those main issues that BSU fans stated were problematic. We’re problematic this year. The difference is u can get away with that in the G5 not the P5. 

Lastly Aranda had built up credit in the P5 as a helluva of DC and was 2 years removed from a championship team. Most would way his defense was just as responsible for the championship as Brady. Maybe u are jlo or jflo that created that post.

Edited January 2, 2022 by e808
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[nurbis 571]

7 minutes ago, e808 said:

Lastly Aranda had built up credit in the P5 as a helluva of DC and was 2 years removed from a championship team. Most would way his defense was just as responsible for the championship as Brady. Maybe u are jlo or jflo that created that post,

Aranda took over an 11-3 team and went 2-7 his first year. Harsin took over a 6-5 team and went 6-7. I guess Aranda was left with no talent from an 11 win team so he gets a pass as a helluva coach because I guess he fixed a miserable situation left by Rhule at Baylor? Harsin was left with a team of world beaters from a 6 win team that beat no teams with winning records in 2020 so he has no excuse for not winning more with such an obviously talent loaded team regardless if it being his first year? Is that what you are saying?

[Hay Field 101 629]

who's on first?

[Rednilla 5,383]

6 minutes ago, Hay Field 101 said:

who's on first?

What's on second, I Don't Know's at third, Tomorrow's pitching, Today is catching, Why is in left field, Because is in center field, and I Don't Give A Darn is playing shortstop...

[Rednilla 5,383]

11 hours ago, e808 said:

First off that post isn’t from a staffer or even a playe . It’s from a random fan that supports CBH. It has no more merit then anyone giving an opinion on this board. 

I don't care where it comes from, that doesn't make the truth held within any less true.
 

11 hours ago, e808 said:

The guy has won every he went so what exactly is is mentality. If he didn’t want to win Auburn wouldn’t have went to a he BCS and on the verge of another.

Well, his mentality at that point was to placate the fan base in an attempt to keep what happened (him getting fired) from happening.
 

11 hours ago, e808 said:

U can have the greatest mentality in the world but at the end of the day it’s measured in win and losses. U are getting paid millions soon as u sign the contract u are on the clock.

You're right. And at the end of Harsin's day, we'll either look back on this season as a necessary step in the process of transforming the team into the kind of winner Harsin is looking to build, or we'll look back and say he was in over his head. Looking back over the annals of football history, there aren't too many coaches who took over for a fired predecessor that had a great year in his first year. Two of the rare occasions happened for Auburn in the last few decades, so maybe some of you expect the coach to be able to come in and cure all that is wrong with the program as soon as they "are on the clock," but that's just not reality. 

Does anybody remember 2007, when all the bammers were regurgitating Saban's talk about it being a process? How we made fun of them for losing to ULM as part of that process? Well, Saban went on to win half of the national championships that were won between 2009 and 2020, so maybe there's some merit to the whole process thing, huh?

No, that's not possible. We should throw tantrums about how we aren't getting our way from the very get go, and complain that this first year wasn't even as good as the last year with the last coach (ignoring the differences in systems and the losses at receiver), and having those complaints range from hinting to outright stating that we never should have gotten rid of the last coach.

Oh, and then you have the numbskulls who state that we need to give Harsin 3-4 years to build the program...while complaining that the program isn't built yet in year 1. Because that makes SO much sense.

[e808 3,020]

23 minutes ago, Rednilla said:

I don't care where it comes from, that doesn't make the truth held within any less true.
 

Well, his mentality at that point was to placate the fan base in an attempt to keep what happened (him getting fired) from happening.
 

You're right. And at the end of Harsin's day, we'll either look back on this season as a necessary step in the process of transforming the team into the kind of winner Harsin is looking to build, or we'll look back and say he was in over his head. Looking back over the annals of football history, there aren't too many coaches who took over for a fired predecessor that had a great year in his first year. Two of the rare occasions happened for Auburn in the last few decades, so maybe some of you expect the coach to be able to come in and cure all that is wrong with the program as soon as they "are on the clock," but that's just not reality. 

Does anybody remember 2007, when all the bammers were regurgitating Saban's talk about it being a process? How we made fun of them for losing to ULM as part of that process? Well, Saban went on to win half of the national championships that were won between 2009 and 2020, so maybe there's some merit to the whole process thing, huh?

No, that's not possible. We should throw tantrums about how we aren't getting our way from the very get go, and complain that this first year wasn't even as good as the last year with the last coach (ignoring the differences in systems and the losses at receiver), and having those complaints range from hinting to outright stating that we never should have gotten rid of the last coach.

Oh, and then you have the numbskulls who state that we need to give Harsin 3-4 years to build the program...while complaining that the program isn't built yet in year 1. Because that makes SO much sense.

Another person that’s trying to use Saban as analogy to get ur point across. Saban and Aranda have championships on their resume. If u want to keep using Saban as the standard. Then championships should roll in very soon. Mostly every argument is well Saban did it. CBH isnt Saban and doesn’t have the machine behind him like at Bama.

Lastly, who is throwing tantrums. This is a discussion board where people are fans and can agree to disagree on topics. Does that make one person a lesser fan to speak an opinion 

Edited January 2, 2022 by e808

[Rednilla 5,383]

1 minute ago, e808 said:

Another person that’s trying to use Saban as analogy to get ur point across. Saban and Aranda have championships on their resume. If u want to keep using Saban as the standard. Then championships should roll in very soon. Mostly every argument is well Saban did it. CBH isnt Saban and doesn’t have the machine behind him like at Bama.

Do you see "Saban" and then shut down to all that is said afterward? I mean, do you genuinely lack the capacity to extrapolate anything useful from scenarios that are not EXACTLY the same? I'm not saying Harsin is going to have the same kind of success Saban has, because you're right, he doesn't have the REC behind him like Saban did (and does). But that doesn't negate the point that it is a process to build a program, and the first couple of steps in that process are usually ugly.

[e808 3,020]

8 minutes ago, Rednilla said:

Do you see "Saban" and then shut down to all that is said afterward? I mean, do you genuinely lack the capacity to extrapolate anything useful from scenarios that are not EXACTLY the same? I'm not saying Harsin is going to have the same kind of success Saban has, because you're right, he doesn't have the REC behind him like Saban did (and does). But that doesn't negate the point that it is a process to build a program, and the first couple of steps in that process are usually ugly.

Yes, I lack the capacity because I don’t agree with u and have my on opinion. It’s a lot of gatekeeping going on. I guess everyone should think a like. Next time type in CAPS that should make ur point stronger. U have ur point of view and I have mines . We will see what happens.

Edited January 2, 2022 by e808

[Rednilla 5,383]

3 hours ago, e808 said:

Yes, I lack the capacity because I don’t agree with u and have my on opinion. It’s a lot of gatekeeping going on. I guess everyone should think a like. Next time type in CAPS that should make ur point stronger.

Apologies, I suppose I should have used italics for emphasis rather than all caps, but I've just gotten used to using the all caps due to the fact that most people realize when you only capitalize one word, it's being used for emphasis, not for shouting. 

And you don't agree that there is a process to building a program? How is it done, then?

[e808 3,020]

33 minutes ago, Rednilla said:

Apologies, I supposed I should have used italics for emphasis rather than all caps, but I've just gotten used to using the all caps due to the fact that most people realize when you only capitalize one word, it's being used for emphasis, not for shouting. 

And you don't agree that there is a process to building a program? How is it done, then?

There is a process. Just like when u take a job there is a yearly evaluation that tells u what u did great and what needs to be worked on. I am not saying everything is all negative. Recruiting improved from where it was, team seemed more competent, variation in play calling and IMO Bo did improved to name a few.

[autigeremt 6,569]

We didn’t lose five in a row…..but most of us lost our collective minds over the crazy play calling and lack of development in key areas. 

[Rednilla 5,383]

7 minutes ago, e808 said:

There is a process. Just like when u take a job there is a yearly evaluation that tells u what u did great and what needs to be worked on. I am not saying everything is all negative. Recruiting improved from where it was, team seemed more competent, variation in play calling and IMO Bo did improved to name a few.

So why did you jump down my throat for suggesting that Saban had a point with the whole process business? No, of course I'm not happy with the way the season turned out, but I see enough good things along the way to believe in Harsin's process. Pointing out other successful coaches in Auburn's history who had a losing season their first year reminds those who are so starkly doom and gloom that, frequently, the road to success has some bumps along the way.

And whether you meant to or not, you have aligned yourself with one prominent poster on AUF who believes we should be bandwagon fans and not support the coach unless/until he starts doing well at Auburn.

[Swamp Eagle 5,128]

The last coach to lose 5 straight was Chizik. The last coach to end the season with 5 straight losses was Earl Brown…71 years ago. Losing 5 straight games at Auburn is almost impossible to achieve, yet…here we are.

[Rednilla 5,383]

14 minutes ago, Swamp Eagle said:

The last coach to lose 5 straight was Chizik. The last coach to end the season with 5 straight losses was Earl Brown…71 years ago. Losing 5 straight games at Auburn is almost impossible to achieve, yet…here we are.

So the last coach to lose 5 straight... was also the coach who led us to a national championship. Gosh, you know, that's a really damning place to be...

[aubiefifty 16,718]

1 hour ago, e808 said:

Yes, I lack the capacity because I don’t agree with u and have my on opinion. It’s a lot of gatekeeping going on. I guess everyone should think a like. Next time type in CAPS that should make ur point stronger. U have ur point of view and I have mines . We will see what happens.

not true e808. i am about as crazy as anyone on this site and i have very little filter.i have been in timeout three times and it was pretty much for name calling if you are not using profanity or discussing porn this place is wide open. and you are arguing with a pretty decent guy that just happens to be a mod. we were so close in so many games we lost and tho there is little value in losing it should show that we are headed in the right direction. also all the guys going to leave are all changing their minds and that tells me volumes about which way our program is headed. i would dare say if you had an issue rednilla would be one of the first to step up to the plate to help you if he could even off the board. but the thing is in a couple of more years we will know but this team was left in a bad spot and some players did not buy in on harsin. lets give him a chance.

[cole256 17,039]

The lost 5 straight stuff is so stupid. Why not talk conference record or something like that? Somebody wrote a dumb stat on Twitter and of course so many of our fan base had to run with it.

This year I'm embarrassed how we operated as far as stuff on social networks. People were horrible with fact checking and making sure things were credible. We were just so gullible. 

Now you have the 5 loss streak thing. When in fact if you just look at the last coach we had 3 mediocre comparable seasons IN A ROW. This is nothing new or amazing. The coach that was a majority responsible for all of these losses just did it again. He doesn't recruit well or keep his recruits and teams lack depth.........it's not what some are trying to make it out to be