Harsin Drama Megathread

[LeonardAU 237]

5 minutes ago, LaphroaigWDE said:

I think Auburn wants to settle because they know their cause won't hold up in court. Making coaches run off for other jobs, not going to events, not recruiting hard enough aren't technically "fireable offenses" even though they are offenses that make me not want the guy to be our coach. Part of the reason it won't hold up is because of the circus, they would have had a better shot if they just canned him before the media got a hold of the story (but still not a good shot). 

That's the most maddening part of these coaching contracts.  If I suck at my job, I get booted out the door with nothing.  This guy clearly isn't capable of handling the responsibilities of the job.  I mean if losing players overall on signing day isn't "for cause" nothing is.

[Dual-Threat Rigby 8,649]

17 minutes ago, DyeCampAlum said:

That same Boise mod wrote the following. Doesn't seem far off.

 

 

The Harsin part of all this was why I was absolutely shocked when folks were saying this guy was some grandstanding hire. Like people were actually fabricating the magnitude of his successes to make it seem like we got another Dye

Boise St took a clear step down in the public eye and amongst Group of 5 programs at a time where G5 programs had more of a seat at the table than ever before. He was essentially handed the thing straight from Petersen and didn’t raise its floor or ceiling. I’m not saying he doesn’t deserve respect for keeping a golden pony still in functioning status, but man…

Edited February 10, 2022 by Dual-Threat Rigby

[DAG 33,959]

Just now, LeonardAU said:

That's the most maddening part of these coaching contracts.  If I suck at my job, I get booted out the door with nothing.  This guy clearly isn't capable of handling the responsibilities of the job.  I mean if losing players overall on signing day isn't "for cause" nothing is.

They can fire that for their "cause" but they need to follow the contract that they chose to agree if so. It is relatively simple, but for whatever reason being made more complicated.

[Tigerpro2a 5,650]

So one of the dudes on the LOA Podcast (Crosby?) said maybe Harsin didn't go to any of these events because "he didn't have someone on staff that told him how important these events were". Really? 

[gctiger 928]

I'm not familiar with the terms of Harsin's contract and I've never worked as a football coach or an attorney, but at every place that I've ever worked in both the public and private sector, poor job performance has always an acceptable cause for termination.  I realize that it may be difficult to solely use the W-L record as justification for termination, but poor results (recruiting) and poor employee relations skills would certainly fit the bill in most cases.  Also, I see no reason that clearly defined goals can't be a part of the same type of formal annual review process that most of us are likely subject to, and failure to meet those goals can't be cause for termination, but it appears that's not the case at Auburn.  Maybe it's an industry norm...I'm not familiar with the terms of Harsin's contract and I've never worked as a football coach or an attorney, but at every place that I've ever worked in both the public and private sector, poor job performance has always an acceptable cause for termination.  I realize that it may be difficult to solely use the W-L record as justification for termination, but poor results (recruiting) and poor employee relations skills would certainly fit the bill in most cases.  Also, I see no reason that clearly defined goals can't be a part of the same type of formal annual review process that most of us are likely subject to, and failure to meet those goals can't be cause for termination, but it appears that's not the case at Auburn.  Maybe it's an industry norm.  

[auburnatl1 4,878]

Every time we accept a check from a booster to can somebody we bring in another decision maker. The more checks, the more it devolves into a growing uninformed group think. 

it feels like we’ve hit a tipping point of no consensus paralysis.

Edited February 10, 2022 by auburnatl1

[zeroforwinger 443]

3 minutes ago, LeonardAU said:

That's the most maddening part of these coaching contracts.  If I suck at my job, I get booted out the door with nothing.  This guy clearly isn't capable of handling the responsibilities of the job.  I mean if losing players overall on signing day isn't "for cause" nothing is.

Then I assume you don’t have a contract at your job. 

[DAG 33,959]

Just now, gctiger said:

I'm not familiar with the terms of Harsin's contract and I've never worked as a football coach or an attorney, but at every place that I've ever worked in both the public and private sector, poor job performance has always an acceptable cause for termination.  I realize that it may be difficult to solely use the W-L record as justification for termination, but poor results (recruiting) and poor employee relations skills would certainly fit the bill in most cases.  Also, I see no reason that clearly defined goals can't be a part of the same type of formal annual review process that most of us are likely subject to, and failure to meet those goals can't be cause for termination, but it appears that's not the case at Auburn.  Maybe it's an industry norm...I'm not familiar with the terms of Harsin's contract and I've never worked as a football coach or an attorney, but at every place that I've ever worked in both the public and private sector, poor job performance has always an acceptable cause for termination.  I realize that it may be difficult to solely use the W-L record as justification for termination, but poor results (recruiting) and poor employee relations skills would certainly fit the bill in most cases.  Also, I see no reason that clearly defined goals can't be a part of the same type of formal annual review process that most of us are likely subject to, and failure to meet those goals can't be cause for termination, but it appears that's not the case at Auburn.  Maybe it's an industry norm.  

Nobody is stoping them for firing him for being a "bad coach." 

[WarEagleT 122]

41 minutes ago, Tntigers said:

Because he didn’t have SEC expectations and pressures. And Idaho recruiting vs Deep South recruiting is like comparing the life style of US to third world country living.

You are naive about Boise football. 

[GunsmithAU 383]

16 minutes ago, WarEagleT said:

If it was your family- wife, daughter, personal assistant falsely accused- would you want someone posting what you just did because you thought it was funny? But wait you didn't really compose it- you just borrowed it from Twitter, so it's ok.

It's a joke, not a .... Don't take it so hard

[Barnacle 9,064]

1 hour ago, Kentucky Tiger said:

I think he was part of the Manson family also and he was spotted on the grassy knoll was Kennedy was assassinated

Yeah some of this “reporting” feels pretty suspect. 

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

Maybe this was shown earlier and I missed it. Hard to keep up with so many posts.

Auburn coach Bryan Harsin slips in side door of SEC HQ for coaches meeting - al.com

Do all coaches get taken to such a meeting in a state trooper car and then have a trooper escort?

Edited February 10, 2022 by Proud Tiger

[shabby 1,956]

54 minutes ago, Tigerpro2a said:

Have yall heard that Harsin's dad called Pawl FineBomb yesterday? 

I don't listen to him, but saw someone post this on TOS.  starts around the 8 minute mark of the "hour 1 Blake Toppmeyer" segment.

https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0cHM6Ly9mZWVkcy5tZWdhcGhvbmUuZm0vRVNQMTU2OTYxNjg2NA/episode/NTdjNWQxMTAtMDc0My0xMWVjLThlMDgtMDM0NzY2YzRkNDRj?hl=en&ved=2ahUKEwjU_IWuxfX1AhXUkYkEHXYACuIQieUEegQIAhAO&ep=6

Good Lord, the whole champions of life recruiting philosophy

[autiger88 3,777]

14 minutes ago, WarEagleT said:

You are naive about Boise football. 

? 

[AEAugirl 9,623]

Boise State beatwriter on JOX this morning talking about Harsin and his time at Boise. 

Exact words “Auburn was sold a bill of goods”.  

Goes into how he treated the local media, how insular the Boise program is, why Boise media never crossed Harsin, Drinkwitz, etc. 

[aublue88 145]

2 minutes ago, Proud Tiger said:

Maybe this was shown earlier and I missed it. Hard to keep up with so many posts.

Auburn coach Bryan Harsin slips in side door of SEC HQ for coaches meeting - al.com

I have to tell you, I am starting to agree with whichever player said they would want him in a foxhole with them if we were at war because looks like he would fight until the bitter end.   Not sure about the football field but he definitely has big brass ones.😁

[Carnell 592]

26 minutes ago, gctiger said:

I'm not familiar with the terms of Harsin's contract and I've never worked as a football coach or an attorney, but at every place that I've ever worked in both the public and private sector, poor job performance has always an acceptable cause for termination.  I realize that it may be difficult to solely use the W-L record as justification for termination, but poor results (recruiting) and poor employee relations skills would certainly fit the bill in most cases.  Also, I see no reason that clearly defined goals can't be a part of the same type of formal annual review process that most of us are likely subject to, and failure to meet those goals can't be cause for termination, but it appears that's not the case at Auburn.  Maybe it's an industry norm...I'm not familiar with the terms of Harsin's contract and I've never worked as a football coach or an attorney, but at every place that I've ever worked in both the public and private sector, poor job performance has always an acceptable cause for termination.  I realize that it may be difficult to solely use the W-L record as justification for termination, but poor results (recruiting) and poor employee relations skills would certainly fit the bill in most cases.  Also, I see no reason that clearly defined goals can't be a part of the same type of formal annual review process that most of us are likely subject to, and failure to meet those goals can't be cause for termination, but it appears that's not the case at Auburn.  Maybe it's an industry norm.  

I am not a lawyer or a coach either.  But a school can fire a coach for any reason contract doesn't stop that but poor performance can't stop the terms of the contract from being filled (see Gus). but the school will attempt to protect themselves from a coaches behavior such as moral and ethical clauses.  If these are in the contract and then they can actually render the contract null and void.  NCAA VIOLATIONS ARE PROBABLY THE MOST COMMON OF THESE CLAUSES.  I would guess that poor employee relations is an ambiguous term for trying to have a contract voided.  For instance in Harsins case there was complaints from former players however, current players came to his defense so based on he said they said is that a fireable  offense that would void the contract.  Firing based on that and trying to say that voided the contract would probably end up in court.

Edited February 10, 2022 by Carnell

[PoetTiger 1,896]

19 minutes ago, LeonardAU said:

That's the most maddening part of these coaching contracts.  If I suck at my job, I get booted out the door with nothing.  This guy clearly isn't capable of handling the responsibilities of the job.  I mean if losing players overall on signing day isn't "for cause" nothing is.

Do they need cause? If they are unhappy with his job performance, just fire him and cut his check. End of story.

[DAG 33,959]

Honestly , how relevant is any of this stuff to the on-going investigation of cause for firing? 

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

1 minute ago, DAG said:

Honestly , how relevant is any of this stuff to the on-going investigation of cause for firing? 

Probably none but interesting non the less.

[DAG 33,959]

2 minutes ago, Proud Tiger said:

Probably none but interesting non the less.

Why is it interesting. The same people posting stuff, we already know how you feel about him lol. We know you don't want him to be our coach and he probably won't be at the end of the day, but can we get some relevant data? Like dang lol. I mean is this how you guys spend your hard earn money at the eagle nest board? Lol. 

Edited February 10, 2022 by DAG

[W.E.D 11,070]

2 hours ago, shuebru said:

Looks like Harsin is at the coaches meeting.

https://twitter.com/alexs_espn/status/1491796569246429184?s=21

 

So much fir being an Alpha Wolf.

 

Sneaking through thr back door like a coward 

[Win4AU 4,052]

Two pretty damning articles of Harsin’s previous stops.  I’m officially off the Harsin support train/bus etc.  fire the man and move on.  The 2nd article is in the comments. No Oline, Dline depth from years of running off OCs DCs being a miserable person costing once powerful Boise.

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

4 minutes ago, DAG said:

Why is it interesting. The same people posting stuff, we already know how you feel about him lol. We know you don't want him to be our coach and he probably won't be at the end of the day, but can we get some relevant data? Like dang lol.

So I guess we should lock the thread now since 183 pages here won't impact anything either😀

 

Edited February 10, 2022 by Proud Tiger

[DAG 33,959]

1 minute ago, Proud Tiger said:

So I guess we should lock the thread now since 183 pages here won't impact anything either😀

I would be fine with that if it prevented people for sharing that he is gone! before anything occurs