POLITICO: Biden’s pollster: 2022 is ‘worst political environment’ of my lifetime.

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52 minutes ago, TexasTiger said:

24 minutes ago, wdefromtx said:

No folks shouldn’t be allowed to smoke on planes. But you can’t compare the two. The government shouldn’t be regulating because they “think masks help on planes.” 

I didn’t say they were necessarily equivalent. But I suspect most of us believe in some measure of government regulation, even if we may not always agree where the line is. But they’re not just guessing:

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7106e1.htm

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1 hour ago, Leftfield said:

The base for the left is full of what you deem to be the most extreme, yet that doesn't hold true for the right? Do you think your bias may be coloring that perception?

If you were a conservative all you heard for the last 6 years was the extremes of what the left thought of Republicans, so now you are trying upset that the tables have turned?  What has colored my perception is what the left seems to stand for as I mentioned.  Turn about is fair game, deal with it.

1 hour ago, Leftfield said:

Your rhetoric has steadily been becoming more intense, to the point that you are now claiming "groomers" are a part of the left's base. To me that goes beyond "smack talk," and is irresponsible parroting of the same things we hear from the Q-anon crowd. You also lump those that support CRT in with Marxists, which directly parrots just about every statement I've heard coming from those who oppose it.

It’s interesting that you think *groomer* is offensive, is it too close to home?  I have been called racist, homophobe, transphobe and similar other names on this forum and have not been offended as I know these terms are just used to shut down conversation.  I use *groomer* to get a discussion going, so as a father of a daughter in school that will be facing education that discusses gender fluidity in school how do you want gender fluidity being group taught with by a teacher that may or may not have your values at heart?  Do you think talking to children about gender at such a young age actually is what the child needs?  Do you think having your child being able to make up her mind to take puberty blockers without your permission would be reasonable?  Why do you think they talk about gender at a young age?  Could it be to have the child start the blockers before puberty?

How long do you think it will take to lower the age of consent to 13 or 14 so children can make up their own mind about having or changing sex on their own?  tough things to think about, but as a parent you have to.

As to CRT: CRT is an offshoot of Critical Theory, which is a Marxist ideology, only using class instead of race.  Look it up.  Do you think teaching children to look at race as a deciding factor in judging people a good thing?  It’s actually racist.

2 hours ago, Leftfield said:

Using government to silence a dissenter?

The Florida legislator is not silencing dissenters, it is attacking a corporation that tried to use it’s money/power to change legislation that the people of Florida sent their representatives to Tallahassee to do.  There is a big difference, I’m sure you don’t see it. Up until recently corporations have been staying out of politics.  Disney, a California company, over stepped their bonds by letting only 2% of their employees dictate what Florida is suppose to do.  Good for DeSantis for fighting back, somebody had to.  MLB pulling the All-Star game out of Atlanta was similar and Kemp did nothing.  It’s BS when corporations wield their power because they are too cowardly to be neutral.

This law that pulled benefits from Disney and will not go into affect for a year, by that time Disney will have to make some interesting decisions as to its future and have meaningful conversations with the state of Florida.  It’s hard ball.

2 hours ago, Leftfield said:

the point is to transition to renewable energy as soon as possible

The phrase *as soon as possible* has escaped Biden.  Obviously, it is not possible now and he stubbornly is pushing when the infrastructure is not ready.  Any fool could see that.  Therefore, placating his base come hell or high water is what he does.

2 hours ago, Leftfield said:

I ask you to take a hard look at what the Republican Party has become, how the vast majority of elected officials are falling in lock-step with ridiculous notions such as the election was stolen and a huge number of teachers are trying to corrupt your children, and think about what that means for the future of this country. 

It is about time the Republican Party changed it’s tactics, conservatives have gone along to get along for a long time.  That is what has brought on slippery slopes in many area.  It’s been 15 months sense Biden took office, the notion that some Republicans believe the election was stolen is and will remain in their minds.  No one is seriously contemplating overthrowing the 2020 election, it is a leftist talking point.

I have never blamed any teacher for corrupting our children.  They are one of the unsung heroes of this country, but they teach the curriculum they are given by the state in conjunction with the teacher’s union.  There is where the problem lies.  The Democratic candidate for Governor of Virginia stated that parents should not have any say about what is taught in school and that statement resonated with parents across America.  The Biden DOJ started investigating parents as domestic terrorist.  You might need to wake up and look what’s going on.

Would I vote for Trump in 2024?  I have said many times that I hope he doesn’t make it out of the primaries, but if he does I will have to see who the Democrats put up.  I will guarantee the Democratic candidate will not align with my values.

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2 hours ago, TexasTiger said:

Sorry, but we’re not just two sides of the same coin.

Really

1 hour ago, TexasTiger said:

Do you think folks should be able to smoke on planes?

Do you think they should?  I would guess you agree with the restriction and would also guess you really like government control when it falls in line with your world view.

It is a false equivalency as smoking went through many iterations before it was banned on flights.  COVID sprung up with little warning and the CDC was playing catch up.  We are 2 years into it and the CDC is still not confident in what they recommend, they still need to collect more data.

Since when did a CDC recommendation become mandatory?   Are we still in an emergency? 

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1 hour ago, I_M4_AU said:

Really

Do you think they should?  I would guess you agree with the restriction and would also guess you really like government control when it falls in line with your world view.

It is a false equivalency as smoking went through many iterations before it was banned on flights.  COVID sprung up with little warning and the CDC was playing catch up.  We are 2 years into it and the CDC is still not confident in what they recommend, they still need to collect more data.

Since when did a CDC recommendation become mandatory?   Are we still in an emergency? 

Didn’t draw an equivalence. You said this: “Now, will you admit that you are ideological about the need for governmental control?” 
 

My point is we both believe in it. Just a question of where the line is drawn. 

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5 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

If you were a conservative all you heard for the last 6 years was the extremes of what the left thought of Republicans, so now you are trying upset that the tables have turned?  What has colored my perception is what the left seems to stand for as I mentioned.  Turn about is fair game, deal with it.

Ummm...that's because the last 6 years the Republicans have been controlled by the extremes, as evidenced by who was in office and just about everyone showing fealty to him. 

 

7 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

It’s interesting that you think *groomer* is offensive, is it too close to home?

Ah! So you're into intelligent conversation! How refreshing! Oh, why yes, you nailed it! I'm a groomer!

I try to have a reasoned conversation and you pull this crap? 

9 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

 I use *groomer* to get a discussion going...

No, you use it to provoke an argument, not generate discussion.

12 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

...so as a father of a daughter in school that will be facing education that discusses gender fluidity in school how do you want gender fluidity being group taught with by a teacher that may or may not have your values at heart?  Do you think talking to children about gender at such a young age actually is what the child needs?  Do you think having your child being able to make up her mind to take puberty blockers without your permission would be reasonable?  Why do you think they talk about gender at a young age?  Could it be to have the child start the blockers before puberty?

So your school system has a plan to discuss gender fluidity? Could you show us what the plan is?

As has been said, there are certainly some teachers out there that have inappropriately taken this subject on, and without parental knowledge, and certainly those teachers should be dealt with, but that does not mean there is a vast liberal conspiracy to take control away from parents. I don't think there should be a program in place to teach about gender or hetero/homosexuality in the curriculum at that age, but it is going to come up from time-to-time, and a teacher has to be able to intervene if a student is being bullied, ostracized, or otherwise discriminated against. I do think kids that age need to be taught that others should be treated with respect, even if they are different in these ways, and you can do that without going into any graphic detail. And this garbage you're spewing about kids being able to take puberty blockers without parental consent is just ridiculous. Even if you found a teacher that would do that, you wouldn't find a doctor that would. You are taking a few extreme examples and using them to paint with a broad brush and justify a law that isn't needed.

33 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

How long do you think it will take to lower the age of consent to 13 or 14 so children can make up their own mind about having or changing sex on their own? 

Sometime around never. 

35 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

As to CRT: CRT is an offshoot of Critical Theory, which is a Marxist ideology, only using class instead of race.  Look it up.  Do you think teaching children to look at race as a deciding factor in judging people a good thing?  It’s actually racist.

You just proved you have no idea what CRT is. CRT does not teach to judge people based on race. Critical Theory says quite the opposite, actually. It says that most problems in society come from the structures that are in place and assumptions that sub-groups have about others, rather than placing blame on individuals. All CRT does is extrapolate that to race as one of the sub-groups. Do you deny that some races and cultures in America face greater obstacles than others? This gets into many aspects of society, but the starkest examples: would George Floyd and Ahmaud Arbery be alive today if they had been white?

Also, just because an idea or concept began with a group you disagree with doesn't mean that idea or concept has no merit.  Just because you agree with some part of an ideology doesn't mean you're "selling your soul to the devil" and falling into that ideology. Ironically, if you applied Critical Theory to your situation, you may see that the societal structure you grew up with and may still live in has caused you to see Marxism, Communism, Socialism, etc. as complete "boogeymen," and too afraid to consider what aspects might actually be adopted to help a Capitalist society function better.

57 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

The Florida legislator is not silencing dissenters, it is attacking a corporation...

Not sure what the distinction between attacking and silencing is in your mind, but anyway...

1 hour ago, I_M4_AU said:

...that tried to use it’s money/power to change legislation that the people of Florida sent their representatives to Tallahassee to do.  There is a big difference,

Not really. You're making a semantic argument. Either way, the state government is lashing out in retaliation, certainly in an attempt to keep Disney from speaking up any further, but also partially to dissuade any other companies from doing the same. Companies use their money and power to try to change legislation all the time. Did Disney do something illegal? Certainly it would be understandable if those they went against were not inclined to do them any favors, but until now we haven't seen a government undo an agreement that's been in place for a half-century, particularly when it's of no benefit and is likely a detriment to those they govern.

1 hour ago, I_M4_AU said:

Up until recently corporations have been staying out of politics.

Whatever you're smoking, can I have some?

1 hour ago, I_M4_AU said:

Disney, a California company, over stepped their bonds by letting only 2% of their employees dictate what Florida is suppose to do. 

So Disney should not try to protect those 2% from legislation that by its very existence discriminates? What percent would it have to be for it to be reasonable for them to speak up? 13%? Shouldn't it be the government protecting civil rights instead of a company from California?

1 hour ago, I_M4_AU said:

It’s BS when corporations wield their power because they are too cowardly to be neutral.

Too cowardly to be neutral? Isn't being neutral usually considered to be the cowardly thing? You've heard the term "fence sitter," I assume. What about the phrase “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"? Certainly Disney is getting some backlash for it, not just from some of the Florida executives and legislators, but from the "radical right", including the idiots protesting out front and hanging up "Pedo World" banners.

1 hour ago, I_M4_AU said:

This law that pulled benefits from Disney and will not go into affect for a year, by that time Disney will have to make some interesting decisions as to its future and have meaningful conversations with the state of Florida.  It’s hard ball.

Please tell me the exact reason for the legislation.

This law will also shift the burden of infrastructure, policing, and fire protection to the local economy, which will cause a significant tax increase. I'm sure the locals are thrilled about that. And what benefits do those citizens receive?

 

1 hour ago, I_M4_AU said:

The phrase *as soon as possible* has escaped Biden.  Obviously, it is not possible now and he stubbornly is pushing when the infrastructure is not ready.  Any fool could see that.  Therefore, placating his base come hell or high water is what he does.

That infrastructure will likely be ready sooner than you think. I've been surprised to see how quickly utilities around the country have been moving to adopt renewable energy, while still making sure the gaps are covered by natural gas. Part of the cost of moving so rapidly, unfortunately, is that many people that have been working with coal are being hurt by that industry drying up.

1 hour ago, I_M4_AU said:

It is about time the Republican Party changed it’s tactics, conservatives have gone along to get along for a long time. 

I remember hearing this when Gingrich came along. And pretty much ever since. There was a time I agreed. That was a long time ago.

1 hour ago, I_M4_AU said:

 No one is seriously contemplating overthrowing the 2020 election, it is a leftist talking point.

Well, no one except Trump. Regardless, that wasn't my point. My point is that the majority of Republicans in government are holding Trump's water when he says the election was stolen, and a huge (sorry, yuge) percentage of Republicans believe it. That is dangerously eroding faith in our election process. How can anyone say that isn't a threat to the country?

1 hour ago, I_M4_AU said:

I have never blamed any teacher for corrupting our children.  They are one of the unsung heroes of this country, but they teach the curriculum they are given by the state in conjunction with the teacher’s union.  There is where the problem lies.  

Never said you blamed any teachers. Again, I'm referring to what Republican politicians are pushing.

Curricula are not approved in a vacuum. There are many groups that act as watchdogs, including local school boards and parent groups, and anything controversial will certainly have attention brought to it.

2 hours ago, I_M4_AU said:

The Democratic candidate for Governor of Virginia stated that parents should not have any say about what is taught in school and that statement resonated with parents across America.  The Biden DOJ started investigating parents as domestic terrorist.  You might need to wake up and look what’s going on.

Disagreed with them both, particularly the first. The second was a leaping before looking situation where they took reports at face value, which was just dumb, but the reasons behind it are also continually misconstrued by those railing against it. It was in response to parents who were harassing and threatening school board members. It was not an attemp to cut off discussion. Wasn't an appropriate role for the DOJ, though.

 

 

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On 4/22/2022 at 12:00 PM, I_M4_AU said:

All these articles are fromJanuary 2021 right after the *insurrection* and shows your obsession with all things Trump and Jan. 6th.  You are typical leftist that call all conservatives MAGA and future Trump voters.  Just like CNN, Trump has destroyed you.  He is living rent free in your mind.

Actually, just the opposite.  There are many real conservatives that I respect and admire. (The "never Trumpers".)

But Trump and his supporters have nothing to do with actual traditional conservatism. 

Trumpism is pure populism ultimately based on hate and fear.

How Trump Has Redefined Conservatism

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-trump-has-redefined-conservatism/

 

 

Republicans Can Agree to Disagree Over Democracy

The post-Trump GOP is far more likely to put its differences aside than to split.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/01/even-now-republicans-will-stick-together/617803/

Edited April 23, 2022 by homersapien

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14 hours ago, I_M4_AU said:

It’s interesting that you think *groomer* is offensive, is it too close to home?

 

You just proved Leftfield's point.  Clueless.

Your a full blown wacko to imply such a thing.  Straight QAnon.

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2 hours ago, homersapien said:

You just proved Leftfield's point.  Clueless.

Your a full blown wacko to imply such a thing.  Straight QAnon.

Of course the comment is taken out of context, but you do you.  

This was in the next sentence:   I use *groomer* to get a discussion going.

and we have a discussion going, so…..

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On 4/23/2022 at 2:50 PM, I_M4_AU said:

Of course the comment is taken out of context, but you do you.  

This was in the next sentence:   I use *groomer* to get a discussion going.

and we have a discussion going, so…..

Yeah, nothing like implying another person is a pedophile to "get a conversation going". 

Like I said,  pure QAnon.  

(And no amount of weak-assed 'crawfishing' helps once you have revealed yourself as bat-s*** crazy.)

Edited April 25, 2022 by homersapien

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On 4/20/2022 at 12:30 PM, I_M4_AU said:

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Who supports the Democrats?  The LGBTQ1+ coalition, MAPs (Minor Attracted People), groomers, CRT enthusiast and germaphobes.  No wonder the environment for the Democrats is the worst ever seen.

Really?  This is like saying... Who supports the Republicans? The KKK, Putin and the Russian mafia, Westboro Baptist Church & home grown terrorists intent of ridding the United States of Muslims.

The political climate is terrible.  Newsflash... it would have been the same regardless of who won the election in 2020.  There has been no action taken that has caused the spike in inflation, the price of crude oil or the cost of building supplies and the hyper inflated housing market.

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35 minutes ago, AU9377 said:

Really?  This is like saying... Who supports the Republicans? The KKK, Putin and the Russian mafia, Westboro Baptist Church & home grown terrorists intent of ridding the United States of Muslims.

The political climate is terrible.  Newsflash... it would have been the same regardless of who won the election in 2020.  There has been no action taken that has caused the spike in inflation, the price of crude oil or the cost of building supplies and the hyper inflated housing market.

Conservatives have been hearing what you typed for years now.  It’s time to turn the tables and call it like it is according to conservatives.  The left doesn’t have monopoly on spinning the narrative.

There is no way it would have been the same no matter who was elected.  Biden’s EO’s, that included his war on fossil fuels (inspired the initial raise in gas prices and set the table for Putin) and inspiring the Trans movement in schools.  Other things that went awry included investigating parents at school board meetings as domestic terrorists, insisting everyone at the Jan 6th gathering (not just the one that assaulted cops) were white nationalist bend on overthrowing the election and the ill planned and executed Afghanistan withdrawal (surrender).

One heck of a leader that promised to bring the country together.  I won’t even mention the Virus he said he would shut down.  Everything he toughs goes south.

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4 hours ago, I_M4_AU said:

Conservatives have been hearing what you typed for years now.  It’s time to turn the tables and call it like it is according to conservatives.  The left doesn’t have monopoly on spinning the narrative.

There is no way it would have been the same no matter who was elected.  Biden’s EO’s, that included his war on fossil fuels (inspired the initial raise in gas prices and set the table for Putin) and inspiring the Trans movement in schools.  Other things that went awry included investigating parents at school board meetings as domestic terrorists, insisting everyone at the Jan 6th gathering (not just the one that assaulted cops) were white nationalist bend on overthrowing the election and the ill planned and executed Afghanistan withdrawal (surrender).

One heck of a leader that promised to bring the country together.  I won’t even mention the Virus he said he would shut down.  Everything he toughs goes south.

What started the rise in gas prices was the increased demand for crude oil around the globe.  There has been no decrease in oil production domestically.

I honestly don't know what a trans movement is, but the issue certainly has nothing to do with the economy.