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People always say: "Well, criminals are going to get guns illegally anyway, so what good does it do to place more regulations on legal gun owners?"

Well, as we see...a big reason WHY there are so many illegal guns out on the market in the hands of criminals and people who shouldn't have them is BECAUSE of the irresponsible actions of legal gun owners who don't properly secure or lock away their guns leading to  easily stolen weapons flooding our streets. 22,000 stolen guns in 2020 just from 270 cities that this report gathered data from, so there's many more that aren't even in this number.

As more and more citizens get legal guns there's going to be more and more criminals stealing those same guns and then using them to commit crimes. Nothing is going to change until we  treat gun ownership as the very serious and important thing that it is and hold legal gun owners accountable for the things that happen to their guns. Whether it means stricter laws on how guns must be secured or locked away or giving criminal liabilities to legal gun owners who's weapons get taken and used to commit other crimes something has to change.  

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/guns-are-stolen-cars-alarming-trend-nation-rcna26691

 

More guns are being stolen out of cars in alarming trend across the nation

At least 180 cities reported increases in gun thefts from cars from 2019 to 2020. They are now the largest source of stolen guns, a new data analysis found.

 

More guns are being stolen out of vehicles in many U.S. cities, according to a new data analysis, which was first obtained and independently verified by NBC News. It’s an alarming trend as shootings rise nationwide, propelled in large part by firearms obtained illegally.

From 2019 to 2020, at least 180 cities saw a rise in gun thefts from vehicles, which now makes up the largest source of stolen guns, according to the nonprofit Everytown for Gun Safety. The study analyzed FBI crime data from 2011 to 2020, spanning up to 271 small-to-large cities across 38 states. 

The nonprofit, which advocates gun violence prevention, found that in 2020, an estimated 77,000 guns were reported stolen in these 271 cities alone. Of those, more than half were taken out of vehicles — a stark difference from a decade ago, when the majority of gun thefts were from burglaries and less than a quarter were from cars, according to Everytown. 

 

On Aug. 3, 2021, Caroline Schollaert was inside her Jacksonville, Florida, home when she witnessed a man breaking into her car. 

Known by many for her fearless disposition, Schollaert, an off-duty U.S. Coast Guard member, reported the burglary by phone to the local sheriff’s office, then walked outside and confronted the man at gunpoint herself. 

She ordered him to stay put until authorities arrived. But while she was still on the phone with a police dispatcher, the suspect pulled out a gun of his own and opened fire. Schollaert, 26, who had just gotten engaged three days earlier, died from her injuries.

The handgun used to kill her, the Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office said, had been stolen from an unlocked vehicle in the same neighborhood 11 days before the shooting. 

“It’s helpless,” said her father, Patrick Schollaert. “Imagine what it would be like to lose a child over something as simple as locking a door?”

On the night before the shooting, at least eight other auto burglaries were reported in Jacksonville, the sheriff’s office said. In 2021, 661 guns were stolen from vehicles in the city, a 4 percent increase from 2019, the Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office said.

The trend can be seen in states and cities across the country. In South Carolina, gun thefts from motor vehicles climbed to more than 5,100 in 2021, from roughly 4,200 in 2019, according to the statewide data provided by the South Carolina Law Enforcement Division. In Hampton, Virginia, the number of motor vehicle larcenies in which a firearm was stolen jumped to 142 incidents in 2021, from 88 in 2019, Police Chief Mark Talbot said. Many of the stolen firearms have turned up at crime scenes. 

“It is exceedingly rare that we investigate a gun crime, and the gun was possessed lawfully,” Talbot said. “Very often we find out it was taken from a theft from auto.”

While it’s too soon to definitively say what’s driving the shift, experts said it’s likely exacerbated by many factors, including a surge in firearm purchases during the pandemic. In 2020, the FBI conducted nearly 40 million firearm background checks, more than any year on record, according to the agency’s data. During that time, experts said, Covid also kept more people at home and made easier targets of unoccupied and less-used cars.

“Criminals are opportunists,” Everytown president John Feinblatt said. “They’ll go where they think that they can capture guns and flood the black market with little or less risk.”

In Hampton, Talbot said the surge in gun thefts from vehicles occurred as home burglaries declined. And because the vast majority of targeted cars are unlocked, criminals are “in and out of a particular vehicle in seconds.”

“It’s not minutes,” he said. “It’s seconds.”

Laws vary by state

After a weeklong manhunt for Caroline Schollaert’s killer, Tyree Levon Parker turned himself in and was arrested for second-degree murder, authorities said. The Jacksonville Sheriff’s Office said the suspected gunman had been going through the neighborhood checking door handles. 

Parker, 23, who pleaded not guilty, faces up to life in prison and his trial could begin as early as March 2023, according to prosecutors and his attorney All Chipperfield.

But Patrick Schollaert, 57, a strong Second Amendment supporter and a gun owner himself, thinks there should also be legal ramifications for the person who left their handgun in an unlocked car.

“They ought to be sharing cells,” he said. “That’s my frustration.”

Most states do not have laws that specify how a firearm should be stored inside an unoccupied vehicle. Among the few that do, California and Connecticut require gun owners to securely store firearms in unattended vehicles, while Massachusetts and Oregon have laws requiring all firearms to be stored in a locked container or with a lock in place when they’re not in use in all locations, including vehicles, according to Allison Anderman, senior counsel with the Giffords Law Center.

In Florida, gun owners 18 years old and older are generally allowed to keep a concealed firearm inside a privately owned vehicle, without a license, if the firearm is “securely encased," such as in an unlocked glove compartment, or "otherwise not readily accessible for immediate use."

And when it comes to reporting lost or stolen guns, only 15 states require gun owners to report incidents, according to Everytown. That means the number of nationwide gun thefts is likely significantly higher, the group said.

 

In Chattanooga, Tennessee — where drivers are not required by law to store their guns in any certain way, according to city officials — the number of reported incidents of gun thefts from vehicles grew to 347 in 2020, from 279 in 2019 and 264 in 2018.

 

“This surfeit of guns, illegal guns in particular, is just pouring gas on the fire,” Chattanooga Mayor Tim Kelly said.

While there isn’t reliable data to show how often stolen guns are used in crimes, several police chiefs and public officials said they’ve recovered enough illegal firearms at scenes of violent crimes to know it happens frequently. 

“People aren’t stealing guns out of cars to collect them,” Kelly said, adding that he has surveillance footage showing would-be burglars pulling on his vehicle’s locked door handles in the driveway of his own home. 

Meanwhile, some jurisdictions have made it harder on law enforcement to combat gun thefts, especially from cars. This March, West Virginia Gov. Jim Justice approved a bill that makes it legal for drivers to carry loaded long guns in motor vehicles. And up until recently, gun owners in Philadelphia used to be required to report to police when a firearm is stolen within 24 hours after the discovery. In February, a court said the city’s ordinance was unenforceable. 

“The way people have such a lack of concern over something so dangerous, it just blows me away,” Patrick Schollaert said. “A simple responsibility should not be an arguable point.”

In many areas, law enforcement agencies are left to implore residents to lock their vehicles and remove their firearms before exiting.

“We have been extremely vocal here," said W.H. Holbrook, the police chief in Columbia, South Carolina, where 73 percent of guns reported stolen this year came from auto break-ins and 68 percent came from unsecured vehicles.

“Our pleas for properly securing firearms often falls on deaf ears," Holbrook said.

Everytown said cities in states with particularly weak gun laws are associated with greater rates of gun thefts from cars. Without tougher restrictions on storing firearms and reporting lost and stolen guns, its researchers said these warnings will go unheard or ignored. 

“There’s never been a more urgent time to act,” said Megan O’Toole, Everytown’s deputy research director. “With every gun stolen from a car, there are rising chances that that gun will be used in a violent crime.”

A senseless loss

As he grieves, Patrick Schollaert is trying to keep the memory of his daughter alive. For the last eight years, he said, Caroline Schollaert served with the U.S. Coast Guard and was often the first to show up to the base every morning. 

She was a maintenance technician, who worked with a special unit that intercepted high-speed boats suspected of smuggling drugs into the country, her father said. She was also a strong advocate for women in the service.

“She made sure that when a young woman came out of boot camp, they wouldn’t get picked on, that they were treated fairly, that they knew they had friends,” her father said. 

Three days before she was killed, Patrick Schollaert was on the speakerphone with his daughter as her boyfriend, whom she met in the Coast Guard, asked her to marry him. The proposal caught both Patrick Schollaert and his daughter off guard, but it immediately filled him with pride and joy. 

“I can’t walk her down the aisle,” he said, as he broke down in tears. “It changed my life forever. It robbed me of my girl.”

This year, the Schollaert family launched the Caroline Joy Schollaert Memorial Scholarship, which will give $1,000 every year to one graduating senior who shows outstanding leadership skills and academic excellence at Powhatan High School in Virginia, where Caroline Schollaert attended. 

Patrick Schollaert said helping others the way his daughter would have done keeps him going. But when it comes to gun thefts from cars, he is not hopeful much will change. 

“This is going to affect more than just the isolated person like me,” he said. “More and more people are going to be grieving like me, senselessly."

 

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I think storing guns in cars is a horrible idea.  It is irresponsible to leave a gun in a vehicle if there is any way at all to avoid it.  That being said, there are plenty of times when I have to go inside a place that it is not permissible to carry, so you are forced to leave it in a car.  But most car break ins happen in neighborhoods at night, and people need to be aware of that and take them in when you go in for the day.  
 

But why don’t we start with enforcing the laws we have in place before we start with holding the victims of theft “accountable”.  Quit letting criminals out of jail early, and come down hard on criminals.  We are way too soft on crime, and it is brutally obvious in so many ways. 

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12 hours ago, GoAU said:

We are way too soft on crime, and it is brutally obvious in so many ways. 

Oof. Everyone’s so thirsty for long sentences and then they wonder how we wound up with a broken carceral state.

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42 minutes ago, AUDub said:

Oof. Everyone’s so thirsty for long sentences and then they wonder how we wound up with a broken carceral state.

 

 

I don't know that those beliefs are typically shared by the same people. 

 

The people who advocate for more prisons...more prisoners... tougher sentences...less leniency are typically those that aren't going to care that the U.S. has the highest prison population in the world by a wide margin or that we have a very high recidivism rate. To them a long, harsh punishment is always going to be the best deterrent to crime and if that isn't working then the only solution is always going to be harder and tougher punishments to keep them behind bars for longer.  

 

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15 hours ago, GoAU said:

I think storing guns in cars is a horrible idea.  It is irresponsible to leave a gun in a vehicle if there is any way at all to avoid it.  That being said, there are plenty of times when I have to go inside a place that it is not permissible to carry, so you are forced to leave it in a car.  But most car break ins happen in neighborhoods at night, and people need to be aware of that and take them in when you go in for the day.  
 

But why don’t we start with enforcing the laws we have in place before we start with holding the victims of theft “accountable”.  Quit letting criminals out of jail early, and come down hard on criminals.  We are way too soft on crime, and it is brutally obvious in so many ways. 

We have the largest prison population in the world.  Too soft on crime.  Alabama is one of our most crime ridden states yet, has one of the largest prison populations.  Too soft on crime.

We need to pump more guns, more police, more judges, more lawyers, more prisons into our society.

Social programs, education, healthcare are just too expensive.  

We are stupid, selfish, inhumane. 

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1 hour ago, icanthearyou said:

We have the largest prison population in the world.  Too soft on crime.  Alabama is one of our most crime ridden states yet, has one of the largest prison populations.  Too soft on crime.

We need to pump more guns, more police, more judges, more lawyers, more prisons into our society.

Social programs, education, healthcare are just too expensive.  

We are stupid, selfish, inhumane. 

Sure - that makes sense, the law abiding people are stupid, selfish and inhumane and the poor, innocent criminals aren’t to blame at all for the decisions THEY make, right?  
 

I have no issues with spending on education, non political social programs, and some healthcare reform is fine too, but any system without consequences for making a decision (and it is a personal decision) to break the law is doomed to fail.  There are more jobs available now at the highest wages & benefits in history and crime is not receding- it’s growing.  These major libs cities are seeing crime skyrocket and the criminals are getting more brazen and blatant every day.  And it’s because we are prosecuting less and letting people out early.  Most are lazy predators, not victims. 

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4 hours ago, AUDub said:

Oof. Everyone’s so thirsty for long sentences and then they wonder how we wound up with a broken carceral state.

I don’t wonder at all - the morals and values that are necessary for a civilized society are eroding, and we are experiencing the results of that.  
 

Dont confuse the results with the cause. 

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1 hour ago, GoAU said:

I don’t wonder at all - the morals and values that are necessary for a civilized society are eroding, and we are experiencing the results of that.  
 

Dont confuse the results with the cause. 

No, morals, values, crime are all related.  The more inequality we have, the more problems we will have.  Believing punishment is the answer is simple but,,, wrong and immoral. 

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12 hours ago, icanthearyou said:

No, morals, values, crime are all related.  The more inequality we have, the more problems we will have.  Believing punishment is the answer is simple but,,, wrong and immoral. 

By saying inequality, are you referring to the desire for equal opportunity or equal outcomes?

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19 hours ago, GoAU said:

I don’t wonder at all - the morals and values that are necessary for a civilized society are eroding, and we are experiencing the results of that.  

Dont confuse the results with the cause. 

You're appealing to a golden age that doesn't exist. 

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