we just had a poster lie about this in the last few days. not mentioning names but you know who you are

[aubiefifty 16,658]

PolitiFact: Tucker Carlson is wrong. Firearms, other weapons at Capitol on Jan. 6

Samantha Putterman

Wed, June 15, 2022 at 9:00 AM

 

 

Tucker Carlson: “Not a single person in the crowd on January 6 was found to be carrying a firearm. Not one.”

PolitiFact's ruling: False

Here's why: As the first House hearing dedicated to the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol aired, Fox News host Tucker Carlson repeated the debunked claim that no one in the crowd was found with a gun.

"Just to be clear on terms, an insurrection is when people with guns try to overthrow the government," Carlson said during his June 10 segment. "Not a single person in the crowd on January 6 was found to be carrying a firearm. Not one," he said.

 

That’s wrong. Court documents, video evidence and news coverage directly contradict this characterization. Several rioters had firearms and dozens more wielded knives, bats and other real and makeshift weapons.

We reached out to Carlson for comment but did not hear back.

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PolitiFact reviewed the case files for hundreds of defendants who were arrested and charged for their actions at the Capitol on Jan. 6 and found several defendants who police say were found to have brought firearms. Some were charged with having firearms on Capitol grounds while others stashed them nearby:

• Lonnie Coffman of Alabama was found with multiple weapons in his vehicle and on his person. Coffman’s truck, which he had parked in the vicinity of the Capitol on the morning of Jan. 6, was packed with weaponry, including a handgun, a rifle and a shotgun, each loaded, according to court documents. In addition, the truck held hundreds of rounds of ammunition, several large-capacity ammunition feeding devices, a crossbow with bolts, machetes, camouflage smoke devices, a stun gun and 11 Molotov cocktails. When Coffman was detained, questioned and searched, police found two more handguns on his person. None of the weapons were registered, documents state. Coffman pleaded guilty and was sentenced in April to 46 months in prison followed by three years of supervised release.

• Guy Reffitt of Texas was charged with bringing a handgun onto Capitol grounds. Court documents showed that Reffitt, reported to be a member of the Three Percenters militia group, told his family he brought his gun with him and that he and others "stormed the Capitol." A jury found Reffitt guilty of five felony charges in March, and he remains detained pending sentencing.

• Christopher Michael Alberts of Maryland also brought his handgun onto Capitol grounds. An officer saw that Alberts had a gun on his hip and alerted fellow officers. When Alberts tried to flee, officers detained him and recovered the loaded handgun, along with a separate magazine. He has been indicted on ten felony counts.

In his conspiratorial documentary series "Patriot Purge," Carlson featured a man named Mark Ibrahim, a former agent for the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration, and falsely claimed that Ibrahim was forced from his job and indicted for simply being near the Capitol protest.

But court documents show that Ibrahim had already submitted his intent to resign from the DEA weeks before Jan. 6 and was indicted because he brought a gun with him onto Capitol grounds and made false statements to federal agents.

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The total number of people who carried firearms with them that day may not ever be fully accounted for because the majority of those involved in the siege weren’t arrested on-site but were tracked down by law enforcement days, weeks and months later.

It’s also important to note that an insurrection is a violent uprising against the government, and the definition of "armed" is not legally limited to guns; it refers to any weapon used for defense or offense and as a means of protection. Other items used as weapons on Jan. 6 included bats, crutches, flagpoles, skateboards, fire extinguishers and chemical sprays.

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Our ruling

Carlson claimed that no one in the crowd on Jan. 6 was found with a firearm.

That’s inaccurate. Many of those involved in the attack were armed, and several had guns that police later seized.

We rate his claim False.

PolitiFact reporter Bill McCarthy contributed to this report.

Our Sources

• Fox News, Tucker Carlson Tonight, June 10, 2022

• PolitiFact, Jan. 6 defendants were armed with guns, other weapons, documents show, July 13, 2021

• PolitiFact, Carlson's Jan. 6 documentary doesn’t tell full story about former DEA agent, Nov. 2, 2021

• Court Listener, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA v. LONNIE LEROY COFFMAN, Jan. 12, 2021

• U.S. Department of Justice, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA v. GUY WESLEY REFFITT, Jan. 16, 2021

• U.S. Department of Justice, Christopher Albert STATEMENT OF FACTS, Jan. 7, 2021

This article originally appeared on Austin American-Statesman: Fact-check: Were firearms, other weapons at Capitol on Jan. 6?

 

[aubiefifty 16,658]

i was hoping he ...........they would come out and explain themselves or apologize but no such luck. you guys laugh but i wonder how many trumpers have the donalds face tattooed on their genitals so they can see him when they make love to themselves.

 

 

me in prayer.....LORD i had to print this so please do not let me get banned as this is the snarky side.

[CoffeeTiger 5,061]

"Fact Checking" is like the new bad word in Conservatives circles. 

Like Kellyanne Conway unintentionally admitted....Republicans like their "Alternative Facts" 

 

I think Carlson knows he lies, but he also knows his employer and his fans don't expect him to tell the truth, they expect him to deliver a narrative. 

[wdefromtx 3,159]

They all deliver a narrative, it’s what makes them money. Just a bunch of Paul Finebaums everywhere….

[icanthearyou 4,462]

Ideology breeds stupidity.  Extremism allows bias to disregard truth, even deny reality.

All but a relative few of us are ignorant, angry, under compensated, frustrated.  Far too many of us believe our condition is caused by the under classes.  The fact is, it has been cultivated by our overlords through their greed and, through their utter disregard for society at large.

Power, greed, control are driving politics, not patriotism or, principles.  The country we all grew up in will cease to exist very soon.  The reason for our demise will not be capitalism, socialism, liberalism, conservatism.  Our demise will be the product of the immoral, unprincipled greed of our extreme capitalists.  Extreme inequality kills societies regardless of their political and economic systems.

[aubiefifty 16,658]

it is a rich mans world anymore and we are here in this predicament because we have allowed it to happen.

[aubiefifty 16,658]

i guess those couple of guys to not have the heart to address this. i bet those same cats steal coffee at work without paying their fair share.

[homersapien 11,337]

On 6/16/2022 at 10:54 AM, wdefromtx said:

They all deliver a narrative, it’s what makes them money. Just a bunch of Paul Finebaums everywhere….

They all deliver a narrative - that's their job.

The distinguishing difference is that right wing narratives - like Carlson's - are typically lies.

Edited June 17, 2022 by homersapien

[DKW 86 7,407]

WHATABOUTISM ALERT!!!

And what was four years of:

RUSSIANS, RUSSIANS, RUSSIANS!!!!! Collusion, Sedition, Treason! Not one arrest, trial, nor conviction after four years of being assured that it was solid lead pipe sinch that it was going to happen. Impeachments that never were going anywhere. Face it, we are more interested in WINNING the political discourse than DOING anything for the American People. When does the media do the decent thing? 

What we are seeing in the Jan 6 hearings is that Barr, Pence, and others did stand up to trump. They surely should have done it sooner, but they eventually did stand up. They, like most Americans are decent people, no matter how blinded by party that they were at the time. They are ending their careers speaking up even now. But they are speaking up to end trump's career. If this was reversed and it was a Democrat involved, i seriously doubt anyone would ever speak up. EVER. 

Why does no one from the Dems nor the Media admit the obvious that they got the RUSSIANS, RUSSIANS, RUSSIANS!!!!! story wrong? Never gonna happen. Dragging this country thru a four-year insanity cycle, screaming the election was stolen in 2016, because their candidate ran the worst campaign in American Political History is okay for them to STILL claim that the Steele Dossier is anything other than excrement. That the Alpha Bank story was not a total pay for play, ginned up s*** story. Etc, etc, etc Never gonna admit the truth here. NEVER. What is so funny watching from afar, is that even most Progs now side with the Republicans, at least on this. When you lie to the American Public for four years and cannot bring yourself to adult up and tell the truth finally, no one should listen to you. Adam Schiff, the man the WSJ declared was such a liar that no one should ever listen to a word he says ever is still a front man for this???? WTF?! Finally, is there not one Democrat anywhere gonna call this man out for his many egregious lies to the American People? Finally does no one have any shame about this?

Some of us, Republican and Democrat refuse to grow, change, admit anything. We are so ****** as a nation.

Edited June 18, 2022 by DKW 86

[wcware 1,365]

48 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

And what was four years of:

RUSSIANS, RUSSIANS, RUSSIANS!!!!! Collusion, Sedition, Treason! Not one arrest, trial, nor conviction after four years of being assured that it was solid lead pipe sinch that it was going to happen. Impeachments that never were going anywhere. Face it, we are more interested in WINNING the political discourse than DOING anything for the American People. When does the media do the decent thing? 

What we are seeing in the Jan 6 hearings is that Barr, Pence, and others did stand up to trump. They surely should have done it sooner, but they eventually did stand up. They, like most Americans are decent people, no matter how blinded by party that they were at the time. They are ending their careers speaking up even now. But they are speaking up to end trump's career. If this was reversed and it was a Democrat involved, i seriously doubt anyone would ever speak up. EVER. 

Why does no one from the Dems nor the Media admit the obvious that they got the RUSSIANS, RUSSIANS, RUSSIANS!!!!! story wrong? Never gonna happen. Dragging this country thru a four-year insanity cycle, screaming the election was stolen in 2016, because their candidate ran the worst campaign in American Political History is okay for them to STILL claim that the Steele Dossier is anything other than excrement. That the Alpha Bank story was not a total pay for play, ginned up s*** story. Etc, etc, etc Never gonna admit the truth here. NEVER. What is so funny watching from afar, is that even most Progs now side with the Republicans, at least on this. When you lie to the American Public for four years and cannot bring yourself to adult up and tell the truth finally, no one should listen to you. Adam Schiff, the man the WSJ declared was such a liar that no one should ever listen to a word he says ever is still a front man for this???? WTF?! Finally, is there not one Democrat anywhere gonna call this man out for his many egregious lies to the American People? Finally does no one have any shame about this?

Some of us, Republican and Democrat refuse to grow, change, admit anything. We are so ****** as a nation.

I agree with most, if not all of this statement. I don’t feel like I can trust anyone in Washington or politics in general to tell the truth. If I don’t believe my leaders in DC have the country or my best interest at heart, the more I start to be only concerned with making sure “me and mine” are taken care of and to hell with anyone else. How do you restore patriotism or just basic morals? How about common sense. We can’t even agree on what makes you a boy or girl. If that is up for debate then I can’t take part in the conversation. I know that’s just one thing that is not really of significance but if the most basic of things can’t be agreed upon then how do we even begin to conquer the complex problems?