Then: "We are a sanctuary city!!!!" Today: "NIMBY!"

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Republicans are reduced to abject cruelty and when they don't get the result they want, making s*** up. 

 

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Question. Can y'all accurately define "Sanctuary City" as a term of art?

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10 minutes ago, AUDub said:

Question. Can y'all accurately define "Sanctuary City" as a term of art?

Ask the virtue signaling cities that claim to be a *Sanctuary City*.

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8 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

Ask the virtue signaling cities that claim to be a *Sanctuary City*.

Gonna guess that's a no

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It's amazing hearing the opinions of people in states that have absolutely zero idea of the crisis at the border.  

That'd be like me voting and forcing my opinions onto the Great Lakes fishery and ecological conservation. 

What do I care about the impact of invasive species? I mean, they have the right to swim where they want to, right? 

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https://vineyardgazette.com/news/2022/09/15/vineyard-community-rallies-relief-efforts-assist-stranded-migrants

https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/16/us/marthas-vineyard-community-response-migrants/index.html

https://www.wcvb.com/article/venezuelan-migrants-flown-to-marthas-vineyard-being-offered-shelter-support-on-cape-cod/41244254#

 

 

Looks more like the Residents are coming together to offer support to the migrants as best they can rather than co0mplaining or being NIMBY. 

 

This move by DeSantis may excite his Republican/Conservative base, but I think stuff like this will ultimately backfire on him by turning off moderates and independents who don't like seeing politicians using real, vulnerable people like cattle and political tools. 

 

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21 minutes ago, CoffeeTiger said:

This move by DeSantis may excite his Republican/Conservative base, but I think stuff like this will ultimately backfire on him by turning off moderates and independents who don't like seeing politicians using real, vulnerable people like cattle and political tools. 

"The cruelty is the point"

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1 hour ago, AUDub said:

Question. Can y'all accurately define "Sanctuary City" as a term of art?

Here you go: 

The phrase sanctuary city is not a legal term, but one developed over time and more recently reflecting a response to ICE (U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement) policies and actions. In general, a sanctuary city is a community with a policy, written or unwritten, that discourages local law enforcement from reporting the immigration status of individuals unless it involves investigation of a serious crime. These sanctuary communities go beyond cities, though. One can find entire counties and states declaring sanctuary status.

These communities typically do not honor requests by ICE to detain undocumented immigrants whom local agents apprehend for misdemeanor crimes or investigations. Many in sanctuary cities also refuse to deputize their local officers as federal agents, a necessary technicality if those local officers carry out the duties of ICE agents. There is no specific federal law against sanctuary city policies. 

https://www.lirs.org/what-are-sanctuary-cities-why-do-they-exist/

Lutheran Immigration and Refugee Service (LIRS)

Seems like an art type of organization.

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33 minutes ago, CoffeeTiger said:

https://vineyardgazette.com/news/2022/09/15/vineyard-community-rallies-relief-efforts-assist-stranded-migrants

https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/16/us/marthas-vineyard-community-response-migrants/index.html

https://www.wcvb.com/article/venezuelan-migrants-flown-to-marthas-vineyard-being-offered-shelter-support-on-cape-cod/41244254#

 

 

Looks more like the Residents are coming together to offer support to the migrants as best they can rather than co0mplaining or being NIMBY. 

 

This move by DeSantis may excite his Republican/Conservative base, but I think stuff like this will ultimately backfire on him by turning off moderates and independents who don't like seeing politicians using real, vulnerable people like cattle and political tools. 

 

I actually enjoy watching virtue signaling liberals eat their words and I think most sensible Americans do.  Of course, Biden could actually do something about the crisis at the boarder and this problem could go away.  One thing that attracts people to the US is all the cities that claim to be Sanctuary Cities.

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1 hour ago, AUDub said:

Gonna guess that's a no

For IM because he's more dense than a lead brick:

Sanctuary cities are those where local law enforcement won't do ICE's job for them. The chief goal of this is so that undocumented folks can talk to the police without having to worry about being picked up for having an expired VISA or no documentation whatsoever. 

This is actually pretty normal. Law enforcement maintains a sort of strategic blindness to law breaking that isn't their primary focus. This allows detectives investigating a murder to say to a potential witness that might be a drug user "if you know about a murder you can talk to me about it safely. I won't bust you for that dime bag," or for a narcotics officer to say to an illegal immigrant "if you know something about your local drug trade you can talk to me about it safely.  I won't bust you over that expired VISA."

This strategic blindness is useful because it helps get things done in a shades of grey world where there aren't just good guys and bad guys, and sometimes you need the help of people committing lesser crimes to catch the people doing the really bad stuff.

Sanctuary cities simply make this the official policy.

This is extremely common because most cops aren't complete imbeciles.

Hell, even I have a story. Our 15 year old has a friend whose family is here illegally. We're friends with her parents. Her mother was in an accident recently, not her fault, which necessitated a police report. She had no documentation, obviously. This is a conservative town with a conservative department, by no means a sanctuary city. But that officer was still a decent human. Told her not to drive but to be gone with the quickness. Called my wife, who called me, to go get her out of there. 

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5 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

I actually enjoy watching virtue signaling liberals eat their words and I think most sensible Americans do.  Of course, Biden could actually do something about the crisis at the boarder and this problem could go away.  One thing that attracts people to the US is all the cities that claim to be Sanctuary Cities.

I love that you think there's a simple solution here. "Biden should just do something" lol

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3 minutes ago, AUDub said:

Hell, even I have a story. Our 15 year old has a friend whose family is here illegally. We're friends with her parents. Her mother was in an accident recently, not her fault, which necessitated a police report. She had no documentation, obviously. This is a conservative town with a conservative department, by no means a sanctuary city. But that officer was still a decent human. Told her not to drive but to be gone with the quickness. Called my wife, who called me, to go get her out of there. 

Great story; why do you think your conservative town does not signal to the world they are a Sanctuary City?  They seem to be reasonable without the theatrics.  Talk about dense, look in the mirror.

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2 minutes ago, AUDub said:

I love that you think there's a simple solution here. "Biden should just do something" lol

When did the problem start to exponentially get worse?  Under who’s watch?  Could Biden do something to alleviate the numbers of illegal boarder crossing?  How about the fentanyl issue?  Human trafficking?  It’s not just about illegals arriving in Martha’s Vineyard.

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15 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

Great story; why do you think your conservative town does not signal to the world they are a Sanctuary City?  They seem to be reasonable without the theatrics.  Talk about dense, look in the mirror.

While we do have an immigrant population, it's not a large one, so no need to make an official policy over it like a lot of large municipalities have. Officer discretion works on this scale.

The message is "it is safe to report crimes and talk to law enforcement." Without sanctuary policies in place, or with people being unaware of them, you basically create a class of victims with nowhere to turn and potential witnesses that can't come forward. 

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12 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

Could Biden do something to alleviate the numbers of illegal boarder crossing?  

Send aid to the socialist hellholes these people are often fleeing from? Really about it. If they want to come, there's not much stopping them, walls, drones, and CB patrols notwithstanding.

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15 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

How about the fentanyl issue? 

Majority of that comes through legal points of entry.

 

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25 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

I actually enjoy watching virtue signaling liberals eat their words and I think most sensible Americans do.  Of course, Biden could actually do something about the crisis at the boarder and this problem could go away.  One thing that attracts people to the US is all the cities that claim to be Sanctuary Cities.

which is why I said in the post you quoted:

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This move by DeSantis may excite his Republican/Conservative base, but 

Of course you love it, you're part of his base.

I still don't think this move is going to impress moderates and independents on a national level though. 

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2 hours ago, AUDub said:

Republicans are reduced to abject cruelty and when they don't get the result they want, making s*** up. 

Uh?

Ron DeSantis "Sorry but I wasn't the governor of Texas"...lol rolling eyes.

 

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3 minutes ago, creed said:

 

https://www.npr.org/2022/09/15/1123108804/fla-gov-desantis-sent-migrant-flights-to-massachusetts-his-office-says

Fifty migrants arrived unexpectedly on the resort island Martha's Vineyard, off the coast of Massachusetts. Florida's Republican Governor Ron DeSantis took responsibility for financing the flight after someone rounded up the migrants in Texas.

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14 minutes ago, AUDub said:

While we do have an immigrant population, it's not a large one, so no need to make an official policy over it like a lot of large municipalities have. Officer discretion works on this scale.

The message is "it is safe to report crimes and talk to law enforcement." Without sanctuary policies in place, or with people being unaware of them, you basically create a class of victims with nowhere to turn and potential witnesses that can't come forward. 

Martha’s Vineyard doesn’t have a large immigrant population and they declared themselves as Sanctuary City.  Why would that be?  Wouldn’t the police policy be basically the same as your community.  Its all about virtue signaling, you can’t see that?  

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15 minutes ago, AUDub said:

Send aid to the socialist hellholes these people are often fleeing from? Really about it. If they want to come, there's not much stopping them, walls, drones, and CB patrols notwithstanding.

Throw money to a socialist hellhole; sounds like a reasonable Democratic solution.  The issue is at our boarder and it is not being controlled.

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15 minutes ago, CoffeeTiger said:

which is why I said in the post you quoted:

Of course you love it, you're part of his base.

I still don't think this move is going to impress moderates and independents on a national level though. 

I think it will show the moderates and independents that this administration has lied to them since they took office.

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14 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

Martha’s Vineyard doesn’t have a large immigrant population and they declared themselves as Sanctuary City.  Why would that be?  Wouldn’t the police policy be basically the same as your community.  Its all about virtue signaling, you can’t see that?  

You may want to Google that claim. 

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13 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

Throw money to a socialist hellhole; sounds like a reasonable Democratic solution.  The issue is at our boarder and it is not being controlled.

There's no "closing" the border.