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31 minutes ago, DAG said:

Exactly . That is what scares me. If he is the AD we can get ready for Grimes

Looking around at other places, some “insiders” think a permanent AD by November…hearing the Utah State guy and the Kentucky guy a lot.

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4 minutes ago, fasttimes said:

the #1 most important thing right now is recruiting and specifically 1A OL and 1B DL.  it really doesn't matter if the person can coach. if they can recruit great assistants and great players that is all that matters in the short term. we need about 15 4 star OL just to get some kind of foundation laid. i don't see fickell, rhule, or freeze doing that.

the only for sure people who can currently are saban and smart. even dabo ignored the importance of recruiting and stocking full classes each year and clem has been feeling that the last couple seasons.

I’m not disagreeing with this but it’s probably the hardest thing to do.   Recruiting good offensive  lineman appears to be something that Auburn can’t do.   There must be something that is preventing good lineman from signing.  It can’t be because they can’t come in play.   So what is the problem?   Is it lack of putting guys in the NFL? Is it coaching?  The next guy needs to figure this out quickly.  

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1 hour ago, DAG said:

This might sound like a crazy idea but what do you guys think about this guy 

 

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Only issue here is the NFL season.

Unless he's fired mid season, he can't be hired until Jan 10th. Basically means completely passing on the 23 class more importantly the winter portal season.

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6 minutes ago, BigBlueWDE said:

It doesn't take immediate makeover. It just takes consistent improvement of talent

And oversigning classes leads to extreme imbalance across the roster, like we're seeing now.

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8 minutes ago, bigbird said:

This is exactly how I feel ..minus the freeze thing(although I could get on board).

People are acting, again, like being right is better than being best for Auburn.  No matter the debate, CBH being successful was always what was best for Auburn.  His performance yesterday, while validating to those that never supported him, was not good for Auburn. The fact that some are reveling in his failure is pathetic. It pathetic because it means Auburn looked bad and Auburn failed.

 

Yes, I wanted CBH to be the next Saban and take us to the CFP promise land. Yes, I still think his vision is what we need at Auburn. However, just like Gus, who I supported until he proved himself, I believe CBH is now more detrimental to Auburn than what he can do for Auburn. Therefore we need to move quickly to salvage what we can.

This^^^ sorry out of reacts. 

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5 minutes ago, aubaseball said:

I’m not disagreeing with this but it’s probably the hardest thing to do.   Recruiting good offensive  lineman appears to be something that Auburn can’t do.   There must be something that is preventing good lineman from signing.  It can’t be because they can’t come in play.   So what is the problem?   Is it lack of putting guys in the NFL? Is it coaching?  The next guy needs to figure this out quickly.  

Yes, I know. I agree about it being difficult. I was simply trying to illustrate how far in the hole we are, but most of you guys know that already. Just adding my 2 cents.

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10 minutes ago, bigbird said:

This is exactly how I feel ..minus the freeze thing(although I could get on board).

People are acting, again, like being right is better than being best for Auburn.  No matter the debate, CBH being successful was always what was best for Auburn.  His performance yesterday, while validating to those that never supported him, was not good for Auburn. The fact that some are reveling in his failure is pathetic. It pathetic because it means Auburn looked bad and Auburn failed.

 

Yes, I wanted CBH to be the next Saban and take us to the CFP promise land. Yes, I still think his vision is what we need at Auburn. However, just like Gus, who I supported until he proved himself, I believe CBH is now more detrimental to Auburn than what he can do for Auburn. The deck was severely stacked against him, but he hasn't figured out how to play with it and therefore we need to move quickly to salvage what we can.

Yes sir! If me being wrong means we get the best at Auburn , SIGN ME UP. But some people just want to win the argument. It was the same thing about Gus. Nobody wanted to be right about Gus’s transparent flaws (well maybe some). Him being successful would’ve been the best thing for Auburn. Same with CBH. It’s not personal but some it always was personal. 

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11 minutes ago, bigbird said:

This is exactly how I feel ..minus the freeze thing(although I could get on board).

People are acting, again, like being right is better than being best for Auburn.  No matter the debate, CBH being successful was always what was best for Auburn.  His performance yesterday, while validating to those that never supported him, was not good for Auburn. The fact that some are reveling in his failure is pathetic. It pathetic because it means Auburn looked bad and Auburn failed.

 

Yes, I wanted CBH to be the next Saban and take us to the CFP promise land. Yes, I still think his vision is what we need at Auburn. However, just like Gus, who I supported until he proved himself, I believe CBH is now more detrimental to Auburn than what he can do for Auburn. The deck was severely stacked against him, but he hasn't figured out how to play with it and therefore we need to move quickly to salvage what we can.

Well said, Bird. 

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8 minutes ago, bigbird said:

Therefore we need to move quickly to salvage what we can.

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11 minutes ago, AUDevil said:

Looking around at other places, some “insiders” think a permanent AD by November…hearing the Utah State guy and the Kentucky guy a lot.

Yesterday when I heard that about Mitch Barnhart at first I was like that probably wouldn't be a good hire but I think I can get on board with it because he did bring in both Stoops and Calipari. 

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7 minutes ago, bigbird said:

People are acting, again, like being right is better than being best for Auburn.  No matter the debate, CBH being successful was always what was best for Auburn.  His performance yesterday, while validating to those that never supported him, was not good for Auburn. The fact that some are reveling in his failure is pathetic. It pathetic because it means Auburn looked bad and Auburn failed.

This so much. I just want Auburn to have sustained success. I want other teams to dread playing us and to be a threat to win every game we play, knowing that we are still going to lose some. I want to be relevant every year at a national level. We haven’t had that for at least 15 years even though we have had some intoxicating seasons in that time. I don’t care if it’s the guy I want or the guy I think is totally wrong, I just want *that* guy. Ready to be done with these p*****g contests about this or that HC and their failings. I also understand this may not happen in my lifetime lol

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18 minutes ago, aubaseball said:

I’m not disagreeing with this but it’s probably the hardest thing to do.   Recruiting good offensive  lineman appears to be something that Auburn can’t do.   There must be something that is preventing good lineman from signing.  It can’t be because they can’t come in play.   So what is the problem?   Is it lack of putting guys in the NFL? Is it coaching?  The next guy needs to figure this out quickly.  

At the risk of sounding petty, I think it's a carryover from Gus. The drop-off really happened in 2013. The 2007-2012 OL classes were pretty strong. Lots of numbers, about a 35-40% rate of having a solid contributor. Then the numbers went to crap. 2 OL in 2013, then 2 OL in 2014 (Braden Smith was amazing but numbers started to suffer). Then we signed 3 4-stars in 2015 but only one turned out to be a contributor. Then 1 OL in 2016 (Bro Hamm), then 3 OL in 2017, and basically a s*** show since 2018 (which Harsin/Friend have not improved at all). 

So low numbers and a whole bunch of misses, followed by on-field disaster (our QBs have been running for their lives since 2015), and lack of putting talent in the NFL consistently have us at an all-time low reputation on the OL. It will take the Bruce Pearl of OL to turn this around. 

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11 minutes ago, W.E.D said:

Only issue here is the NFL season.

Unless he's fired mid season, he can't be hired until Jan 10th. Basically means completely passing on the 23 class more importantly the winter portal season.

Damn it. Did not know that. Thanks for the info. However, we lose to the giants and he might be packing his bags sooner than later.

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2 hours ago, aubiefifty said:

i care who kicks puppies. i have three rescues. anniston has three dog catchers going to trial soon for torturing dogs and cats. and yes torture is one of the things they are charged with. they gave no sedatives before giving them the kill shot. and they just kept stabbing into these animals until they finally hit its heart. just horrible stuff. now maybe you did not literally kicking puppies but it left a bad taste and i had to say something.

Literally did not mean the kicking puppies part lol. I have a dog . I was implying that AU needs the right guy and it doesn’t matter how good of a person he is or isn’t. You clearly took that way out of context. Nobody is torturing animals. It’s all about the right hire for AU. Ps I love animals. 

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1 minute ago, JDUBB4AU said:

Literally did not mean the kicking puppies part lol. I have a dog . I was implying that AU needs the right guy and it doesn’t matter how good of a person he is or isn’t. You clearly took that way out of context. Nobody is torturing animals. It’s all about the right hire for AU. Ps I love animals. 

Damn and here I was thinking the puppies part was true 🤣🤣

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I’ve been a strong CBH supporter until yesterday. There’s no question there will be a coaching change. The only question is when. I’m pretty sure I already saw some of our top players making ‘business decisions’ in terms of effort yesterday. The challenge with firing him in season is I’m not sure we have anyone on this staff who is even a legit interim HC. Which speaks volumes about where we are as a program. 

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2 minutes ago, DAG said:

Damn it. Did not know that. Thanks for the info. However, we lose to the giants and he might be packing his bags sooner than later.

🤞 Not a giants fan just hoping he loses so we might could atleast talk to him. 

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Just now, Gowebb11 said:

I’ve been a strong CBH supporter until yesterday. There’s no question there will be a coaching change. The only question is when. I’m pretty sure I already saw some of our top players making ‘business decisions’ in terms of effort yesterday. The challenge with firing him in season is I’m not sure we have anyone on this staff who is even a legit interim HC. Which speaks volumes about where we are as a program. 

Caddy could do it wouldn't be much worse then where we are right now. 🤷

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8 minutes ago, bigbird said:

This is exactly how I feel ..minus the freeze thing(although I could get on board).

People are acting, again, like being right is better than being best for Auburn.  No matter the debate, CBH being successful was always what was best for Auburn.  His performance yesterday, while validating to those that never supported him, was not good for Auburn. The fact that some are reveling in his failure is pathetic. It pathetic because it means Auburn looked bad and Auburn failed.

 

Yes, I wanted CBH to be the next Saban and take us to the CFP promise land. Yes, I still think his vision is what we need at Auburn. However, just like Gus, who I supported until he proved himself, I believe CBH is now more detrimental to Auburn than what he can do for Auburn. Therefore we need to move quickly to salvage what we can.

Thank you for the rational thoughts, as usual.   One of the main problems as I see it is that the Administration is in constant flux.    Either a Pres or an AD is going in or out at any particular time (like now) so there is no continuity of thought at the top.  You end with snap decision makers doing stupid things like extending coaches with limited abilities well past their expiration date and hiring coaches with no clue how to recruit this region.   Also, in the biggest non-surprise ever, Auburn has been slow to react to the changes in the portal and NIL.     It’s frustrating and I’m afraid rather than “all orange” or “true blue” games, we’re about to see a lot more “aluminum seat” games in the near future.  

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3 minutes ago, 1auburn1 said:

Thank you for the rational thoughts, as usual.   One of the main problems as I see it is that the Administration is in constant flux.    Either a Pres or an AD is going in or out at any particular time (like now) so there is no continuity of thought at the top.  You end with snap decision makers doing stupid things like extending coaches with limited abilities well past their expiration date and hiring coaches with no clue how to recruit this region.   Also, in the biggest non-surprise ever, Auburn has been slow to react to the changes in the portal and NIL.     It’s frustrating and I’m afraid rather than “all orange” or “true blue” games, we’re about to see a lot more “aluminum seat” games in the near future.  

"All Aluminum" has a nice ring to it. That should be a meme

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2 minutes ago, BigBlueWDE said:

"All Aluminum" has a nice ring to it. That should be a meme

That what the recruiting section looked like after halftime 🤮

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8 minutes ago, DAG said:

Damn it. Did not know that. Thanks for the info. However, we lose to the giants and he might be packing his bags sooner than later.

Yeah, could Def be fired mid season. Seemed to be some talk about that last year.

NSD in December, plus portal, really makes an NFL hire hard unless he's is a no doubter type.

With all the recruiting timeline moved up, it almost makes sense to fire someone mid season like LSU did to get a head start on finding a new coach.  If you can hut the ground running the first week of December, you've got two weeks to try and salvage the class then more importantly you are in place for the start of the portal season

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Just now, bigbird said:

That what the recruiting section looked like after halftime 🤮

yah, that was more disappointing that the outcome of the game to me. This one bad L may very well be the cause of a dozen L's over the next couple of seasons. No telling what talent we lost out on. 

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1 minute ago, bigbird said:

That what the recruiting section looked like after halftime 🤮

And why not?   No way in crap would I want to be a part of this debacle. 

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