aubiefifty 16,695 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 12 minutes ago, pensacolatiger said: Now he sounds even more insecure, maybe he’s got a proportion issue🤣 great come back pen..............i give it an 8 or maybe 9 out of ten. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeTiger 5,082 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 1 hour ago, aubiefifty said: i hunt with didba twice a year and he is a big ol gym freak that could play on our D line if he wanted. trust me when i say he is not insecure. and we never fail to bring down a nice buck or two with out assault rifles. and i make him drgg the buck out because he has the guns. so pensacola survey says........you lie baby! Are you being serious? 1 hour ago, I_M4_AU said: Of course they are testing the limits. Like any child would do when given freedom not seen before. Let’s give Elon time to react and then jump on him. He did delete the Pelosi tweet linking a false story. That was his own tweet he deleted because he realized it makes him look like an idiot. Presumably, many of the 75% staff reductions he says he'll make will include a lot of people who's jobs are to delete that type of content though. Wont matter if Musk wants that type of stuff on Twitter or not if he doesn't have proper moderation to stop it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_M4_AU 7,762 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 1 minute ago, CoffeeTiger said: Are you being serious? That was his own tweet he deleted because he realized it makes him look like an idiot. Presumably, many of the 75% staff reductions he says he'll make will include a lot of people who's jobs are to delete that type of content though. Wont matter if Musk wants that type of stuff on Twitter or not if he doesn't have proper moderation to stop it. I know it was his tweet and it linked to an unsubstantiated story and he had the good sense to delete it. Moderation will come, but it will take time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pensacolatiger 313 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, CoffeeTiger said: Are you being serious? That was his own tweet he deleted because he realized it makes him look like an idiot. Presumably, many of the 75% staff reductions he says he'll make will include a lot of people who's jobs are to delete that type of content though. Wont matter if Musk wants that type of stuff on Twitter or not if he doesn't have proper moderation to stop it. It’s weird how a lot of the left assumes Elon wants the racist stuff back on Twitter, not assuming that of you……it’s just a weird take on current times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeTiger 5,082 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, pensacolatiger said: It’s weird how a lot of the left assumes Elon wants the racist stuff back on Twitter, not assuming that of you……it’s just a weird take on current times. I don't think Elon WANTS it or encourages it, but I'm not convinced he will try to stop it or moderate it like Twitter does now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,352 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 1 hour ago, pensacolatiger said: It’s weird how a lot of the left assumes Elon wants the racist stuff back on Twitter, not assuming that of you……it’s just a weird take on current times. You're not paying attention. This has less to do with what Elon wants, than it does with what he's going to get (by firing all those staff who moderate the site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFAN78 3,889 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 (edited) Like I stated previously and some here refuse to listen, there will be content moderation. Always was the case and nothing is changing. Don't believe conspiracy theorists for your own sake and just pay attention. “The reason I acquired Twitter is because it is important to the future of civilization to have a common digital town square, where a wide range of beliefs can be debated in a healthy manner, without resorting to violence,” He continued that he wants a platform to “help humanity” and doesn’t want it to become a “free-for-all hellscape.” “There is currently great danger that social media will splinter into far-right-wing and far-left-wing echo chambers that generate more hate and divide our society.” Musk said Twitter should be “warm and welcoming to all” and enable users to choose the experience they want to have. “I didn’t do it to make money,” he said of the pending acquisition. “I did it to try to help humanity, whom I love. And I do so with humility, recognizing that failure in pursuing this goal, despite our best efforts, is a very real possibility.” Edited October 31, 2022 by AUFAN78 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,352 Posted October 31, 2022 Share Posted October 31, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, AUFAN78 said: Like I stated previously and some here refuse to listen, there will be content moderation. Always was the case and nothing is changing. Don't believe conspiracy theorists for your own sake and just pay attention. “The reason I acquired Twitter is because it is important to the future of civilization to have a common digital town square, where a wide range of beliefs can be debated in a healthy manner, without resorting to violence,” He continued that he wants a platform to “help humanity” and doesn’t want it to become a “free-for-all hellscape.” “There is currently great danger that social media will splinter into far-right-wing and far-left-wing echo chambers that generate more hate and divide our society.” Musk said Twitter should be “warm and welcoming to all” and enable users to choose the experience they want to have. “I didn’t do it to make money,” he said of the pending acquisition. “I did it to try to help humanity, whom I love. And I do so with humility, recognizing that failure in pursuing this goal, despite our best efforts, is a very real possibility.” This is not about paying attention or "listening". This is about putting more reliance in what Musk does instead of what he says. (One of the truths in a takeover is the acquirers rarely tell the truth about their business intentions.) And as far as Musk's stated intention to "improve humanity", apparently, he wasn't referring to twitter being used to spread and amplify lies and conspiracy theories. He blew all credibility on that with his tweet regarding the attack on Mr. Pelosi. Time will tell, but I am very skeptical. Edited October 31, 2022 by homersapien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFAN78 3,889 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 8 minutes ago, homersapien said: This is not about paying attention or "listening". This is about putting more reliance in what Musk does instead of what he says. (One of the truths in a takeover is the acquirers rarely tell the truth about their business intentions.) And as far as Musk's stated intention to "improve humanity", apparently, he wasn't referring to twitter being used to spread and amplify lies and conspiracy theories. He blew all credibility on that with his tweet regarding the attack on Mr. Pelosi. Time will tell, but I am very skeptical. Indeed it is. To accept fear mongering as rational, as many have done here, is ignorant. Lot's of info floating around out there and neither you nor I 100% know the truth. Let the facts settle. Isn't that what EM implied? Yes, and I agree with that sentiment. And his cred was diminished by ignorant partisans who feel they lost an ally. In truth they were never looking for fairness. Skepticism is fine if tempered with honesty vs. partisan nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,352 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, AUFAN78 said: And his cred was diminished by ignorant partisans who feel they lost an ally. Can you explain that? I don't get your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,352 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, AUFAN78 said: Indeed it is. To accept fear mongering as rational, as many have done here, is ignorant. Lot's of info floating around out there and neither you nor I 100% know the truth. Let the facts settle. Isn't that what EM implied? Yes, and I agree with that sentiment. And his cred was diminished by ignorant partisans who feel they lost an ally. In truth they were never looking for fairness. Skepticism is fine if tempered with honesty vs. partisan nonsense. Do you consider reporting or commenting on Musk's tweet "fear mongering"? Or is it a rational response to what Musk did? When the world’s richest man/owner of this very site himself traffics in conspiracy theories days after claiming to advertisers that he’s going to be a responsible leader, all I can say is: I’m not overreacting by expressing my concerns. Actions always speak louder than words. pic.twitter.com/00RhlJa4rh https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/10/30/musk-deleted-tweet-pelosi/ — Yael Eisenstat (@YaelEisenstat) October 30, 2022 Edited November 1, 2022 by homersapien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFAN78 3,889 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, homersapien said: Can you explain that? I don't get your point. Certainly. And this isn't meant for you personally, but in general. Why would you threaten to leave a platform, as is trending, because you heard from others it was going to allow nonsense without moderation? Especially when that was never the case factually? Oh, but I heard it on MSM and that was good enough? Just shut up with that stupidity already. Why would you desire to engage in a partisan platform vs a neutral one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFAN78 3,889 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, homersapien said: Do you consider reporting or commenting on Musk's tweet "fear mongering"? Or is it a rational response to what Musk did? When the world’s richest man/owner of this very site himself traffics in conspiracy theories days after claiming to advertisers that he’s going to be a responsible leader, all I can say is: I’m not overreacting by expressing my concerns. Actions always speak louder than words. pic.twitter.com/00RhlJa4rh https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/10/30/musk-deleted-tweet-pelosi/ — Yael Eisenstat (@YaelEisenstat) October 30, 2022 Are you contesting You are mixing two responses to two different questions. Fear mongering is referring to the no moderation tactics by many on the left. It was always politics, nothing more. Musk responding to HC was a call to wait on facts and don't leap to partisan talking points. I agree with this sentiment although acknowledging it was worthless in todays political environment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,352 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 1 minute ago, AUFAN78 said: Certainly. And this isn't meant for you personally, but in general. Why would you threaten to leave a platform, as is trending, because you heard from others it was going to allow nonsense without moderation? Especially when that was never the case factually? Oh, but I heard it on MSM and that was good enough? Just shut up with that stupidity already. Why would you desire to engage in a partisan platform vs a neutral one? I still don't understand the point you are trying to make, but it looks like a giant straw man to me. From my limited understanding, Elon's stated reasons for doing this is to create a forum that is less moderated, less censored, more open, and less partisan. I think the concern is that's not really possible and therefore, things will only get worse. I don't know or care exactly why the people who left the platform left, other than to protest Elon's acquisition. 6 minutes ago, AUFAN78 said: You are mixing two responses to two different questions. Fear mongering is referring to the no moderation tactics by many on the left. It was always politics, nothing more. Are you suggesting that moderation to remove blatant lies or conspiracy theories is partisan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,352 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, AUFAN78 said: Musk responding to HC was a call to wait on facts and don't leap to partisan talking points. I agree with this sentiment although acknowledging it was worthless in todays political environment. Right. You betcha! If he wanted to simply call on people to wait on facts, why didn't he simply say that without referencing a scandalous story sourced from a right wing newspaper with low credibility?? What a hilarious take. Edited November 1, 2022 by homersapien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFAN78 3,889 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 8 minutes ago, homersapien said: From my limited understanding, Elon's stated reasons for doing this is to create a forum that is less moderated, less censored, more open, and less partisan. I think the concern is that's not really possible and therefore, things will only get worse. Your first statement is correct with the exception of less moderated. That is a partisan talking point already debunked. That is not the real concern. Losing an ally is a concern. For one party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFAN78 3,889 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 18 minutes ago, homersapien said: Are you suggesting that moderation to remove blatant lies or conspiracy theories is partisan? Sorry, forgot to add. Blatant lies and conspiracy theories have existed on Twitter forever. So no, they are not partisan in nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,352 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 1 minute ago, AUFAN78 said: Your first statement is correct with the exception of less moderated. That is a partisan talking point already debunked. That is not the real concern. Losing an ally is a concern. For one party. Please explain how "less moderated" is a partisan talking point. Also, please explain how "one party" is losing an ally. Are you suggesting Twitter was biased toward liberals? Do you have any evidence for that beyond their not allowing obvious lies and QAnon conspiracy theories? And I will be the first to admit I am generally ignorant of twitter, other than knowing it's wildly popular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFAN78 3,889 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 18 minutes ago, homersapien said: Right. You betcha! If he wanted to simply call on people to wait on facts, why didn't he simply say that without referencing a scandalous story sourced from a right wing newspaper with low credibility?? What a hilarious take. Why didn't HC wait for facts? Or the MSM talking heads? Rebuttal can be a bitch. Like I said, wait for facts. Can anything be less credible than MSM? You want to compare Pinocchio's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFAN78 3,889 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, homersapien said: Please explain how "less moderated" is a partisan talking point. Also, please explain how "one party" is losing an ally. Are you suggesting Twitter was biased toward liberals? Do you have any evidence for that beyond their not allowing obvious lies and QAnon conspiracy theories? And I will be the first to admit I am generally ignorant of twitter, other than knowing it's wildly popular. The claim of less moderation to allow racism, anti-Semitism, etc. was a talking point. Don't be obtuse. Of course they were. Perhaps now you understand the anger? Good grief Hunter Biden. And up until now they have allowed lies. Will that change? Can't speak to QAnon. Obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,352 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, AUFAN78 said: Why didn't HC wait for facts? Or the MSM talking heads? Rebuttal can be a bitch. Like I said, wait for facts. Can anything be less credible than MSM? You want to compare Pinocchio's? That's what is known as a series of non-sequitur questions and statements. I am sorry you don't see the humor in characterizing Musk's tweet - that included a scandalous reference from a right wing source known for inaccurate news - as an appeal to "wait on the facts", but, what can I say? Edited November 1, 2022 by homersapien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,352 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, AUFAN78 said: The claim of less moderation to allow racism, anti-Semitism, etc. was a talking point. Don't be obtuse. Of course they were. Perhaps now you understand the anger? Good grief Hunter Biden. And up until now they have allowed lies. Will that change? Can't speak to QAnon. Obviously. Oh, well that explains it. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFAN78 3,889 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 3 minutes ago, homersapien said: That's what is known as a series of non-sequitur questions and statements. I am sorry you don't see the humor in characterizing Musk's tweet - that included a scandalous reference from a right wing source known for inaccurate news - as an appeal to "wait on the facts", but, what can I say? MSM became known as fake news for a very good reason. They share democratic talking points religiously regardless of truth. So spare me the inaccurate news bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFAN78 3,889 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, homersapien said: Oh, well that explains it. Thanks. There is always 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersapien 11,352 Posted November 1, 2022 Share Posted November 1, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, AUFAN78 said: MSM became known as fake news for a very good reason. They share democratic talking points religiously regardless of truth. So spare me the inaccurate news bit. Well apparently "truth" has a liberal bias. Personally, I watch and listen mostly NPR and PBS for my news, plus a subscription to the WaPo. If they get something wrong - which they rarely do - they'll apologize and correct it. They certainly don't "share fake democratic (sic) talking points religiously regardless of truth". (I'd say that was a lie, but I'm not sure if it qualifies as such if you really believe it, and I think you probably do.) Edited November 1, 2022 by homersapien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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