Don’t blame ‘both sides.’ The right is driving political violence.

[pensacolatiger 313]

On 11/6/2022 at 8:14 PM, homersapien said:

That's totally irrelevant to the issue on the table. 

Yes, all violence is bad, especially if you are victimized by it (duuuh!)

Just like white lives matter also.  (duuuuh)     

(And btw, the term "Black Lives Matter" was obviously coined to highlight the frequent incidences of black people being killed by police, often in questionable circumstances.  Hell, the "BLM protests" were sparked in particular by the cops kneeling on George Floyd until he died. The violence that ensued in some of this riots was born from rage from experience such racism.  It certainly didn't take any Democratic urging. )

In no way did Democrats promote violence among black protestors, your "opinion" not withstanding. 

Why would they?

Do you think Democrats think such violence supports the cause of racial equality or helps to prevent police abuse? 

Do you think Democrats believe racially-motivated violence in general is good for them politically?

Do you think Democrats believe that any violence is good for them politically?

To suggest violent riots that unfortunately emerged from black protests against police brutality is somehow equivalent to the current politically-based threats that are clearly partisan, and clearly emanating from the MAGA right is as crazy as it gets. 

MAGA Republicans constantly run advertisements promoting "2nd Amendment solutions" (wink, wink), welcome support from extremist groups and white nationalists, support extremist groups "patrolling" ballet collection sites, nominate people who are explicit in their intentions to steal elections, and run for state positions that would allow them to do so, constantly allude to Christo fascism, erect gallows at their Jan. 6 political rally, and ******* break into the capital looking for Pelosi and other leaders...... ( I could go on)

Then they are just shocked! Shocked I tell you!  When some nut who has been listening to - and believing them - tries to hurt someone.

And the best you can do is to claim Democrats support violence because of some violent riots instigated by blacks protesting police abuse? 

That is the most absurd, over-the-top, crazy whataboutism I could even imagine. 

Even coming from you. 

 

 

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/04/19/politics/maxine-waters-derek-chauvin-trial/index.html

[DKW 86 7,410]

On 11/6/2022 at 8:14 PM, homersapien said:

That's totally irrelevant to the issue on the table. 

Yes, all violence is bad, especially if you are victimized by it (duuuh!)

Just like white lives matter also.  (duuuuh)     

(And btw, the term "Black Lives Matter" was obviously coined to highlight the frequent incidences of black people being killed by police, often in questionable circumstances.  Hell, the "BLM protests" were sparked in particular by the cops kneeling on George Floyd until he died. The violence that ensued in some of this riots was born from rage from experience such racism.  It certainly didn't take any Democratic urging. )

In no way did Democrats promote violence among black protestors, your "opinion" not withstanding. 

Why would they?

Do you think Democrats think such violence supports the cause of racial equality or helps to prevent police abuse? 

Do you think Democrats believe racially-motivated violence in general is good for them politically?

Do you think Democrats believe that any violence is good for them politically?

To suggest violent riots that unfortunately emerged from black protests against police brutality is somehow equivalent to the current politically-based threats that are clearly partisan, and clearly emanating from the MAGA right is as crazy as it gets. 

MAGA Republicans constantly run advertisements promoting "2nd Amendment solutions" (wink, wink), welcome support from extremist groups and white nationalists, support extremist groups "patrolling" ballet collection sites, nominate people who are explicit in their intentions to steal elections, and run for state positions that would allow them to do so, constantly allude to Christo fascism, erect gallows at their Jan. 6 political rally, and ******* break into the capital looking for Pelosi and other leaders...... ( I could go on)

Then they are just shocked! Shocked I tell you!  When some nut who has been listening to - and believing them - tries to hurt someone.

And the best you can do is to claim Democrats support violence because of some violent riots instigated by blacks protesting police abuse? 

That is the most absurd, over-the-top, crazy whataboutism I could even imagine. 

Wow...I dont think I will even try to put sanity into the conversation. So when towns were allowed to burn while their Dem Mayors sat back and did nothing, that was actually trying to stop the violence...BY DOING NOTHING.

LMAO!

 

[DKW 86 7,410]

On 11/6/2022 at 8:18 PM, homersapien said:

Well, what would you expect from a political party that you believe promoted or encouraged violence by blacks protesting police abuse?    

And why would you even care about such a party's mistakes, no matter how clumsy or stupid?  NO way I would support a political party that promoted violence.

David, why not just give up on the Democratic party and get in bed with the MAGA Republicans?  I am sure they would welcome you and everyone would be happier. You already think like them.

Maybe you can even get Republicans to address the issues you care most about (if there are any).

Clearly, the Democratic party is not worthy of your iconoclastic wisdom, as you oh-so-frequently make clear.

You are like a Bama fan. Either embrace the suck or shut up. I want better, thats all.

[icanthearyou 4,462]

Which party is most likely to spread divisive Russian propaganda on Facebook?

The GOP is on the precipice of total nutso.  They need our country mired in conflict in order to perpetuate their fear/hate messaging.

[pensacolatiger 313]

6 hours ago, DKW 86 said:

Wow...I dont think I will even try to put sanity into the conversation. So when towns were allowed to burn while their Dem Mayors sat back and did nothing, that was actually trying to stop the violence...BY DOING NOTHING.

LMAO!

 

I posted an example of a leftist leader encouraging violence and it’s met with lefty silence.  There is no point in trying to educate them, they are all worked up about “muh democracy”

[AUApostle 7,648]

You guys watch and read too much news.  Turn that $&@$ off and get informed.

[homersapien 11,353]

8 hours ago, DKW 86 said:

Wow...I dont think I will even try to put sanity into the conversation. So when towns were allowed to burn while their Dem Mayors sat back and did nothing, that was actually trying to stop the violence...BY DOING NOTHING.

LMAO!

 

Well, it hardly proves Democrats as a party, support such violence as you apparently think.  That's insane.

Like I said, just declare and go MAGA. 

You already have their logic and mental attitude nailed.

For example, "allowed" to burn?  Do you really believe that?

 

 

Edited November 8, 2022 by homersapien

[homersapien 11,353]

24 minutes ago, AUDevil said:

You guys watch and read too much news.  Turn that $&@$ off and get informed.

No sure what you are trying to say here, but not all "news" is the same.

And if you think there's another way of getting informed on recent events other than watching or reading the news from reliable sources, I'd love to hear it.

Social media is hardly reliable.

[homersapien 11,353]

8 hours ago, DKW 86 said:

You are like a Bama fan. Either embrace the suck or shut up. I want better, thats all.

No you don't.  You just want to bitch. 

Anyone who gets on a public platform and says the things you have been saying is only confirming the MAGA way of thinking.

If a Democratic mayor mishandles their response to a riot and you promote that as proof Democrats support or "allow" violence, you are not helping the progressive cause, much less the Democratic party.   Such a claim requires a lot more evidence than simply a bad outcome.

If one thinks and talks like a MAGA on a public forum - and you do -  they are one.

[homersapien 11,353]

2 hours ago, pensacolatiger said:

I posted an example of a leftist leader encouraging violence and it’s met with lefty silence.  There is no point in trying to educate them, they are all worked up about “muh democracy”

Here you go pensacola.

Let's apply your logic, and I'll show you proof Republicans support pedophilia and other sex crimes.  (And it's a lot more than just one example.)

From left to right: Former House Speaker Dennis Hastert (who admitted to sex crimes) Rep. Jim Jordan (who was accused or turning a blind eye to sex crimes) former Republican Senate candidate Roy Moore (who was accused of … well, you know), and Rep. Matt Gaetz (who is being investigated for possible sex crimes).

So, Let’s Talk About Republicans and Sex Crimes

By Jordan Weissmann  April 9, 2022

 

Because American politics are now just one, long, low-rent nightmare, Republican culture warriors have spent the past few weeks slandering their various enemies as being soft on pedophilia. For some time, this sort of raving was mostly confined to adherents of QAnon, the Trump-idolizing conspiracy cult that believes Democratic politicians and other elites are secretly operating a global child trafficking ring.

But a confluence of events has helped bring a version of it mainstream.

During the Supreme Court confirmation hearings of judge Ketanji Brown Jackson in March, Republican Senators Josh Hawley and Ted Cruz attempted to smear the nominee by inaccurately claiming that she had a record of handing out unusually light sentences in cases where defendants were accused of viewing child pornography. The issue descended deeper into absurdity after three moderate Republicans voted to confirm Jackson this week and Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene—the walking id of MAGA-America—tweeted about them, saying “Murkowski, Collins, and Romney are pro-pedophile.”

Meanwhile, defenders of Florida’s new “don’t say gay” law, which strictly limits public school teachers’ ability to discuss LGBTQ people and issues in the classroom, began referring to the legislation as an “anti-grooming” bill—evoking the deeply homophobic idea that an adult would only talk about these topics with a child in order to prime them for abuse. After Disney, one of Florida’s largest employers, called for the law to be repealed, conservative social media influencers and Fox News personalities like Laura Ingraham launched a wild crusade against the company accusing it too of being complicit in “grooming.”

This is all galling. But it’s especially rich considering that, of the two major parties, the GOP has many more notable and recent scandals involving the sexual abuse of minors and young students—as well as a recent track record of reacting to them with a shrug.

Let’s review some of that history …

In 2006, Florida Rep. Mark Foley was forced to resign after it was revealed that he’d sent sexually explicit messages and propositioned teenage congressional pages via email and text.

In 2015, former Rep. Dennis Hastert, the longest-ever serving Republican speaker of the House, pleaded guilty to making illegal hush-money payments in order to cover up his history of sexually abusing high school wrestlers he had coached decades before.

“Nothing is more stunning than having ‘serial child molester’ and ‘speaker of the House’ in the same sentence,” the judge said at his sentencing.

During and after the 2016 presidential race, among the dozens of women who accused former president Donald Trump of being a sexual predator were several contestants in the 1997 Miss Teen USA pageant, who reported that he barged into their dressing room while girls as young as 15 were changing. (Trump allegedly told them, “Don’t worry, ladies, I’ve seen it all before.”)

His campaign denied the accusation, but CNN unearthed a 2005 Howard Stern interview where Trump bragged about walking into backstage dressing rooms at the pageants he ran.

During the 2018 midterms, Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore was accused of preying on girls as young as 14 and 16; the New Yorker reported that his habit of trying to pick up high schoolers was so notorious that it actually got him banned from a local mall.

Also in 2018, Rep. Jim Jordan, one of Trump’s fiercest allies and a co-founder of the hardline conservative Freedom Caucus, became embroiled in a scandal over his time as a wrestling coach at Ohio State University, where a team doctor named Richard Strauss, who committed suicide in 2005, was found to have sexually abused more than 177 male student athletes.

An investigation commissioned by the university found that Strauss regularly used examinations as an excuse to grope and fondle the students, sometimes to the point of ejaculation; often ordered them to strip nude unnecessarily; and in two cases, attempted to perform oral sex. Numerous former wrestlers told reporters that Jordan was personally aware of the abuse during the early 1990s but chose to turn a blind eye. The Congressman simply denied having any knowledge of it—and suggested at least one of the accusers claiming otherwise was acting on a personal vendetta against him.

And finally, Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida is currently the subject of a literal sex-trafficking investigation, which is looking into whether he had sex with an underage 17-year-old girl, among other issues. (Greene is close with Gaetz, who denies the allegations, and has defended him.)

On Twitter, liberals have taken to rattling off this list of scandals—among others—in response to conservative accusations of grooming (in a somewhat apt turn of events, a former Republican National Committee staffer was sentenced for a child pornography conviction the same day Jackson was confirmed to the court).

Some have gone further, remarking that the GOP is particularly afflicted with a pedophilia problem. “Every accusation is a confession,” goes one popular refrain. (Some large social media accounts have been trying to make the phrase “pedocon” stick.)

Personally, I don’t think Democrats ought to start earnestly debating with Republicans over which party really has more pedophiles overall (which is a sentence I can’t really believe I’m typing, but here we are). Sexual abuse and misconduct doesn’t have a partisan valence. You can certainly find some Democrats out in the world who’ve been convicted on child porn charges. And never forget that Anthony Weiner went to jail for sexting a 15-year-old.

But if conservatives are going to smear progressives as “groomers” and pose as the nation’s protectors of children, it’s certainly fair to bring up this history in retort. It’s also entirely valid to note how weak the GOP’s response has been to recent scandals concerning its own rank-and-file.

The way Republicans set aside the vast array of sexual abuse charges against Trump and lined up behind him has been discussed so many times that there’s no real need to go over it again. The party’s response to Moore, meanwhile, was what you might describe as, well, semi-pathetic. To their credit, a number of elected Republicans called on Moore to exit the race or said they would vote for a write-in candidate, and the National Republican Senatorial Committee pulled its funding from his campaign.

The Republican National Committee did as well, at least briefly.

But after Donald Trump decided to reendorse Moore, the RNC resumed its support of his candidacy, stating, “We stand with the president.”

When it came to Jordan, congressional Republicans simply circled the wagons. In 2018, then House Speaker Paul Ryan waved off demands for an ethics committee inquiry into whether Jordan was lying about his conduct as a wrestling coach, saying that the panel “investigates things that members do while they’re here, not things that happened a couple of decades ago when they weren’t in Congress.”

He then called Jordan “a man of honesty and a man of integrity.”

Later, in 2020, Jordan’s GOP colleagues selected him to become the top ranking Republican on the House Judiciary Committee, which handles federal criminal legislation—including on issues such as sex trafficking and child pornography. Liz Cheney, then the No. 3 Republican in the House, said it was a “totally unified decision all around.”

This all unfolded in the face of credible allegations that Jordan not only knew about the abuse at Ohio State, but had responded to multiple students who told him about it with comments like “If he tried that on me, I would kill him.” By all accounts, Strauss’ behavior was an open secret. Six former wrestlers told CNN that they were personally present when Jordan heard misconduct complaints about the doctor. A former ref also filed a lawsuit alleging that he complained to Jordan and another coach after Strauss masturbated in front of him, and they merely responded, “Yeah, that’s Strauss.”

Jordan claims that he was cleared of any wrongdoing in the official report by Ohio State’s investigators, which did not mention his name. “The investigators concluded what we have said from the beginning: Congressman Jordan never knew of any abuse, and if he had he would have dealt with it.”

But that’s not what the report actually said. Rather, the investigators wrote that, except in the case of one coach, they could not “identify any other contemporaneous documentary evidence” proving that athletic staff were aware of Strauss’s actions. In other words, there was no paper trail. However, they added that “22 coaches confirmed to the Investigative Team that they were aware of rumors and/or complaints about Strauss, dating back to the late 1970s and extending into the mid-1990s.”

It is theoretically possible that Jordan really had his head so deeply buried in the sand during his coaching days that he knew nothing about what was happening on his team, and that the more than half-dozen witnesses who claim otherwise are simply lying or misremembering. (Several other former Ohio State coaches issued a statement saying they were unaware of Strauss’s misconduct).

A much simpler explanation, however, would be that Jordan himself lied to cover his complicity in a culture of tolerance around sexual abuse. Either way, Republicans chose to make him one of their most powerful members in Congress in spite of this unresolved cloud.

As for Gaetz, well, darkly enough, he also serves with Jordan on the Judiciary Committee—which has jurisdiction over the very Justice Department currently investigating him.

House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy said last year he wouldn’t punish Gaetz or strip him of any committee assignments unless charges are filed, because Gaetz is “innocent until proven guilty.”

“If it comes out to be true, yes, we would remove him if that’s the case,” McCarthy said at the time. “But right now Matt Gaetz says that it’s not true, and we don’t have any information. So let’s get all the information.”

For now, the obvious conflict of interest remains. The Republicans have apparently decided that the committee in charge of sex crimes legislation should include one guy currently being investigated for actual sex crimes—and another who allegedly looked the other way on them. It’s not exactly the behavior of a party that cares deeply about sexual abuse.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/04/from-hastert-to-gaetz-lets-talk-about-republicans-and-sex-crimes.html

 

[pensacolatiger 313]

4 minutes ago, homersapien said:

Here you go pensacola.

Let's apply your logic, and I'll show you proof Republicans support pedophilia and other sex crimes.  (And it's a lot more than just one example.)

From left to right: Former House Speaker Dennis Hastert (who admitted to sex crimes) Rep. Jim Jordan (who was accused or turning a blind eye to sex crimes) former Republican Senate candidate Roy Moore (who was accused of … well, you know), and Rep. Matt Gaetz (who is being investigated for possible sex crimes).

So, Let’s Talk About Republicans and Sex Crimes

By Jordan Weissmann  April 9, 2022

 

Because American politics are now just one, long, low-rent nightmare, Republican culture warriors have spent the past few weeks slandering their various enemies as being soft on pedophilia. For some time, this sort of raving was mostly confined to adherents of QAnon, the Trump-idolizing conspiracy cult that believes Democratic politicians and other elites are secretly operating a global child trafficking ring.

But a confluence of events has helped bring a version of it mainstream.

During the Supreme Court confirmation hearings of judge Ketanji Brown Jackson in March, Republican Senators Josh Hawley and Ted Cruz attempted to smear the nominee by inaccurately claiming that she had a record of handing out unusually light sentences in cases where defendants were accused of viewing child pornography. The issue descended deeper into absurdity after three moderate Republicans voted to confirm Jackson this week and Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene—the walking id of MAGA-America—tweeted about them, saying “Murkowski, Collins, and Romney are pro-pedophile.”

Meanwhile, defenders of Florida’s new “don’t say gay” law, which strictly limits public school teachers’ ability to discuss LGBTQ people and issues in the classroom, began referring to the legislation as an “anti-grooming” bill—evoking the deeply homophobic idea that an adult would only talk about these topics with a child in order to prime them for abuse. After Disney, one of Florida’s largest employers, called for the law to be repealed, conservative social media influencers and Fox News personalities like Laura Ingraham launched a wild crusade against the company accusing it too of being complicit in “grooming.”

This is all galling. But it’s especially rich considering that, of the two major parties, the GOP has many more notable and recent scandals involving the sexual abuse of minors and young students—as well as a recent track record of reacting to them with a shrug.

Let’s review some of that history …

In 2006, Florida Rep. Mark Foley was forced to resign after it was revealed that he’d sent sexually explicit messages and propositioned teenage congressional pages via email and text.

In 2015, former Rep. Dennis Hastert, the longest-ever serving Republican speaker of the House, pleaded guilty to making illegal hush-money payments in order to cover up his history of sexually abusing high school wrestlers he had coached decades before.

“Nothing is more stunning than having ‘serial child molester’ and ‘speaker of the House’ in the same sentence,” the judge said at his sentencing.

During and after the 2016 presidential race, among the dozens of women who accused former president Donald Trump of being a sexual predator were several contestants in the 1997 Miss Teen USA pageant, who reported that he barged into their dressing room while girls as young as 15 were changing. (Trump allegedly told them, “Don’t worry, ladies, I’ve seen it all before.”)

His campaign denied the accusation, but CNN unearthed a 2005 Howard Stern interview where Trump bragged about walking into backstage dressing rooms at the pageants he ran.

During the 2018 midterms, Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore was accused of preying on girls as young as 14 and 16; the New Yorker reported that his habit of trying to pick up high schoolers was so notorious that it actually got him banned from a local mall.

Also in 2018, Rep. Jim Jordan, one of Trump’s fiercest allies and a co-founder of the hardline conservative Freedom Caucus, became embroiled in a scandal over his time as a wrestling coach at Ohio State University, where a team doctor named Richard Strauss, who committed suicide in 2005, was found to have sexually abused more than 177 male student athletes.

An investigation commissioned by the university found that Strauss regularly used examinations as an excuse to grope and fondle the students, sometimes to the point of ejaculation; often ordered them to strip nude unnecessarily; and in two cases, attempted to perform oral sex. Numerous former wrestlers told reporters that Jordan was personally aware of the abuse during the early 1990s but chose to turn a blind eye. The Congressman simply denied having any knowledge of it—and suggested at least one of the accusers claiming otherwise was acting on a personal vendetta against him.

And finally, Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida is currently the subject of a literal sex-trafficking investigation, which is looking into whether he had sex with an underage 17-year-old girl, among other issues. (Greene is close with Gaetz, who denies the allegations, and has defended him.)

On Twitter, liberals have taken to rattling off this list of scandals—among others—in response to conservative accusations of grooming (in a somewhat apt turn of events, a former Republican National Committee staffer was sentenced for a child pornography conviction the same day Jackson was confirmed to the court).

Some have gone further, remarking that the GOP is particularly afflicted with a pedophilia problem. “Every accusation is a confession,” goes one popular refrain. (Some large social media accounts have been trying to make the phrase “pedocon” stick.)

Personally, I don’t think Democrats ought to start earnestly debating with Republicans over which party really has more pedophiles overall (which is a sentence I can’t really believe I’m typing, but here we are). Sexual abuse and misconduct doesn’t have a partisan valence. You can certainly find some Democrats out in the world who’ve been convicted on child porn charges. And never forget that Anthony Weiner went to jail for sexting a 15-year-old.

But if conservatives are going to smear progressives as “groomers” and pose as the nation’s protectors of children, it’s certainly fair to bring up this history in retort. It’s also entirely valid to note how weak the GOP’s response has been to recent scandals concerning its own rank-and-file.

The way Republicans set aside the vast array of sexual abuse charges against Trump and lined up behind him has been discussed so many times that there’s no real need to go over it again. The party’s response to Moore, meanwhile, was what you might describe as, well, semi-pathetic. To their credit, a number of elected Republicans called on Moore to exit the race or said they would vote for a write-in candidate, and the National Republican Senatorial Committee pulled its funding from his campaign.

The Republican National Committee did as well, at least briefly.

But after Donald Trump decided to reendorse Moore, the RNC resumed its support of his candidacy, stating, “We stand with the president.”

When it came to Jordan, congressional Republicans simply circled the wagons. In 2018, then House Speaker Paul Ryan waved off demands for an ethics committee inquiry into whether Jordan was lying about his conduct as a wrestling coach, saying that the panel “investigates things that members do while they’re here, not things that happened a couple of decades ago when they weren’t in Congress.”

He then called Jordan “a man of honesty and a man of integrity.”

Later, in 2020, Jordan’s GOP colleagues selected him to become the top ranking Republican on the House Judiciary Committee, which handles federal criminal legislation—including on issues such as sex trafficking and child pornography. Liz Cheney, then the No. 3 Republican in the House, said it was a “totally unified decision all around.”

This all unfolded in the face of credible allegations that Jordan not only knew about the abuse at Ohio State, but had responded to multiple students who told him about it with comments like “If he tried that on me, I would kill him.” By all accounts, Strauss’ behavior was an open secret. Six former wrestlers told CNN that they were personally present when Jordan heard misconduct complaints about the doctor. A former ref also filed a lawsuit alleging that he complained to Jordan and another coach after Strauss masturbated in front of him, and they merely responded, “Yeah, that’s Strauss.”

Jordan claims that he was cleared of any wrongdoing in the official report by Ohio State’s investigators, which did not mention his name. “The investigators concluded what we have said from the beginning: Congressman Jordan never knew of any abuse, and if he had he would have dealt with it.”

But that’s not what the report actually said. Rather, the investigators wrote that, except in the case of one coach, they could not “identify any other contemporaneous documentary evidence” proving that athletic staff were aware of Strauss’s actions. In other words, there was no paper trail. However, they added that “22 coaches confirmed to the Investigative Team that they were aware of rumors and/or complaints about Strauss, dating back to the late 1970s and extending into the mid-1990s.”

It is theoretically possible that Jordan really had his head so deeply buried in the sand during his coaching days that he knew nothing about what was happening on his team, and that the more than half-dozen witnesses who claim otherwise are simply lying or misremembering. (Several other former Ohio State coaches issued a statement saying they were unaware of Strauss’s misconduct).

A much simpler explanation, however, would be that Jordan himself lied to cover his complicity in a culture of tolerance around sexual abuse. Either way, Republicans chose to make him one of their most powerful members in Congress in spite of this unresolved cloud.

As for Gaetz, well, darkly enough, he also serves with Jordan on the Judiciary Committee—which has jurisdiction over the very Justice Department currently investigating him.

House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy said last year he wouldn’t punish Gaetz or strip him of any committee assignments unless charges are filed, because Gaetz is “innocent until proven guilty.”

“If it comes out to be true, yes, we would remove him if that’s the case,” McCarthy said at the time. “But right now Matt Gaetz says that it’s not true, and we don’t have any information. So let’s get all the information.”

For now, the obvious conflict of interest remains. The Republicans have apparently decided that the committee in charge of sex crimes legislation should include one guy currently being investigated for actual sex crimes—and another who allegedly looked the other way on them. It’s not exactly the behavior of a party that cares deeply about sexual abuse.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/04/from-hastert-to-gaetz-lets-talk-about-republicans-and-sex-crimes.html

 

Weird deflection - you said the left wasn’t pushing for violence.  That was a lie, I shared an example contradicting your lie.  
 

then you send me a weird article about diddling.  Is this a weird admission that you diddle?  I’m confused?

[homersapien 11,353]

16 minutes ago, pensacolatiger said:

Weird deflection - you said the left wasn’t pushing for violence.  That was a lie, I shared an example contradicting your lie.  
 

then you send me a weird article about diddling.  Is this a weird admission that you diddle?  I’m confused?

Of course you are confused.  I wouldn't expect otherwise.

You provided an example of one Democrat (you claim encouraged violence) as proof the "left" encourages violence).

I used that same logic to provide (multiple) examples proving that Republicans - or the "right" - support pedophilia and sex crimes.

If you are still confused, try to find a responsible adult - if such a thing exists in your world - to explain it to you.

Edited November 8, 2022 by homersapien

[DKW 86 7,410]

1 hour ago, homersapien said:

Well, it hardly proves Democrats as a party, support such violence as you apparently think.  That's insane.

Like I said, just declare and go MAGA. 

You already have their logic and mental attitude nailed.

For example, "allowed" to burn?  Do you really believe that?

When you have the police, Natl Guard, and Washington wanting to help and you turn it all down, the fires and looting go on for weeks while you ignore your citizens, then yes.

Edited November 8, 2022 by DKW 86

[DKW 86 7,410]

1 hour ago, pensacolatiger said:

Weird deflection - you said the left wasn’t pushing for violence.  That was a lie, I shared an example contradicting your lie.  
 

then you send me a weird article about diddling.  Is this a weird admission that you diddle?  I’m confused?

 

52 minutes ago, homersapien said:

Of course you are confused.  I wouldn't expect otherwise.

You provided an example of one Democrat (you claim encouraged violence) as proof the "left" encourages violence).

I used that same logic to provide (multiple) examples proving that Republicans - or the "right" - support pedophilia and sex crimes.

If you are still confused, try to find a responsible adult - if such a thing exists in your world - to explain it to you.

[AUFAN78 3,889]

8 hours ago, icanthearyou said:

Which party is most likely to spread divisive Russian propaganda on Facebook?

The GOP is on the precipice of total nutso.  They need our country mired in conflict in order to perpetuate their fear/hate messaging.

Which party recruited and paid Russian operatives for manufactured dirt on a US President? And you want to talk nutso? And if your last statement is referencing democrats then we agree. I mean, who controls the media, messaging and narrative in the country currently? 

[pensacolatiger 313]

4 hours ago, homersapien said:

Of course you are confused.  I wouldn't expect otherwise.

You provided an example of one Democrat (you claim encouraged violence) as proof the "left" encourages violence).

I used that same logic to provide (multiple) examples proving that Republicans - or the "right" - support pedophilia and sex crimes.

If you are still confused, try to find a responsible adult - if such a thing exists in your world - to explain it to you.

If you diddle, just get it off your chest.  Confession is good for the soul…..

[homersapien 11,353]

18 hours ago, DKW 86 said:

When you have the police, Natl Guard, and Washington wanting to help and you turn it all down, the fires and looting go on for weeks while you ignore your citizens, then yes.

So, just to make sure I understand your point, you are projecting the performance of a couple (?) of mayors onto the entire Democratic party, (by supporting the charge "Democrats promote violence")

I that about right?

Edited November 9, 2022 by homersapien

[DKW 86 7,410]

5 minutes ago, homersapien said:

So, just to make sure I understand your point, you are projecting the performance of a couple (?) of mayors onto the entire Democratic party, buy supporting the myth "Democrats promote violence")

I that about right?

1) I am not you so no, I don’t stereotype everyone by a few.

2) I could be wrong but I don’t recall those few Dem Mayors being called out by the Dem Leadership or Dem Rank and file either.
 

Am I missing some major scolding from the Dem Leadership s eparating the supporters from Dem Leaders?  

[homersapien 11,353]

31 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

1) I am not you so no, I don’t stereotype everyone by a few

 

So what in hell do you call using a Democratic governor's riot response as an example to support the generalized charge that "Democrats support violence"?

You even doubled down.  Hell you continue to double down.

You are either a hypocrite or just stubbornly unwilling to admit you allowed your emotions to place you into a ill-considered rhetorical hole with an irrational argument.

I've seen you there before. 

 

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40 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

2) I could be wrong but I don’t recall those few Dem Mayors being called out by the Dem Leadership or Dem Rank and file either.

Gosh, I didn't realize political parties are required to make intra-party reprimands  public!  Thanks for cluing us in!     /S

40 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

Am I missing some major scolding from the Dem Leadership s eparating the supporters from Dem Leaders?  

Probably, unless you've tapped their phone accounts.   /S

 

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6 hours ago, homersapien said:

So what in hell do you call using a Democratic governor's riot response as an example to support the generalized charge that "Democrats support violence"?

You even doubled down.  Hell you continue to double down.

You are either a hypocrite or just stubbornly unwilling to admit you allowed your emotions to place you into a ill-considered rhetorical hole with an irrational argument.

I've seen you there before. 

Yes, man...I drove by your house once.... 

Edited November 10, 2022 by DKW 86

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6 hours ago, homersapien said:

Gosh, I didn't realize political parties are required to make intra-party reprimands  public!  Thanks for cluing us in!     /S

If there were any, we would hear about them. We heard about the squabble when the Dems lost 9 HOR Seats back in 2020.

Probably, unless you've tapped their phone accounts.   /S

I dont break federal law...

AND REMEMBER, VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO!

Edited November 10, 2022 by DKW 86

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On 11/8/2022 at 7:07 AM, DKW 86 said:

Wow...I dont think I will even try to put sanity into the conversation. So when towns were allowed to burn while their Dem Mayors sat back and did nothing, that was actually trying to stop the violence...BY DOING NOTHING.

LMAO!

 

first off the fact you think dems are ok with anyone burning anything is just not true. tell me what could they do? they had extra cops and called in the guard and what did they stop? nothing. i am not sure you can even stop something like that without dropping a bomb on folks and killing all of them. so tell me what could have been done?

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9 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

AND REMEMBER, VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO!

david you need to work on your party a little more. your party had a ton of chances to rise up when this country was divided and what did they do? nothing relevant. it is your right to bash red and blue but your side has been stuck in the mud and not doing anything themselves. it is like you give everyone hell but your party gets a free pass.

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Just now, aubiefifty said:

first off the fact you think dems are ok with anyone burning anything is just not true. tell me what could they do? they had extra cops and called in the guard and what did they stop? nothing. i am not sure you can even stop something like that without dropping a bomb on folks and killing all of them. so tell me what could have been done?

They could do like all cities do and send in the police, national guard, etc. This happens often. It is nothing new. Cities handle this stuff all the time. There was nothing different about this. 

Even stating "Mostly Peaceful Violence" is just insane. The rioters were burning businesses, homes, jobs, careers, etc to the ground. They did nothing. Portland burned and burned....

https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-ap-top-news-race-and-ethnicity-id-state-wire-or-state-wire-b57315d97dd2146c4a89b4636faa7b70

Portland’s grim reality: 100 days of protests, many violent