My closing case for Deion

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10 hours ago, auburnatl1 said:

The logic for Deion. No ra-ra (which is more fun). He is unlike any other hire we’ve (maybe any P5) ever considered and there’s no wise old man to talk to to figure it out. The opportunity is historically unique - no precedent - and therefore he’s been tagged by some as not grownup table thinking.  I believe that is a set in our ways mistake we would deeply regret. Potentially very quickly and for a long time. The case:

1) Recruiting/the portal -  We were getting crushed in recruiting before Harsin. And uga has benefitted. Deion, who’s brand is literally worth $10s if not $100s of millions alone, could be the most dominant force in all of college football. This will be hard for some to accept - but imo beyond Dabo and maybe even Saban. Immediately. He would dominate metro Atlanta (which has the population of ala and miss combined) and other southern, especially Fla/Texas, cities.   

2) elite coordinators. Deions intellect of the game is greatly underestimated and he knows to/can build the strongest most senior staff in college football.  And he could be helped with the large program experience concerns, as he transitions.

3) Financial. No $20-40m buyout. Straight deal.  Revenue from tv (ratings would be through the roof), and merchandise and tickets sales would increase radically. Strengthens NIL. Also, potential under amour impact.

4) hiring him instead of another coach doesn’t create a vacancy at a competitor that he might fill. I have absolutely no interest in competing against him.

5) Unifies the fan base and combined with Pearl, coalesces a fresh, high energy AU brand. Buries our current dysfunction rep. 

6) Turn around speed. Unlike lesser known or “redemption” candidates. Prime gives the highest impact velocity. Current train wreck recruiting class could be  resurrected to a top 5-10 realistically. 

7) Finally, our situation demands it. It’s historically bad. From every perspective. Solving this like our other messes just brings us back here in 3 yrs. Situations dictate the solution/candidate. We’re currently a fading afterthought with a disintegrating roster - and require a massive splash jump start.

Including Kiffin (who I accept as plan b), if ANY other option being discussed could directly challenge saban and Kirby,  as fast and with as high a ceiling as prime, I’d love to hear the name. And candidly I struggle with the risk arguments if people would fully think it through. Musk got where he is because he knew a good bet when others didn’t.  It’s that kind of moment. We could blow up the current elite status quo. IMO going Jaba safe is actually our highest risk possible. Unless the new goal is just beating arky most of the time.

#4 is a great point.

I'm hesitant on Sanders just because he has no coaching experience, even as a coordinator, at this level.  That's my only hesitation about him.

Eliminate the misbehaviors of Hugh Freeze and he would be my #1 choice.  Proven SEC head coach, proven recruiter, proven offensive genius and QB developer, and he hung 55 points on Saban two years in a row back when Alabama had a good defense.  And he would love this job and stay here for the long haul.  And let's please not pretend we haven't given another cheater a chance to redeem himself: see Bruce Pearl.  And that was a great hire for us.

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6 hours ago, MaxCohen216 said:

#4 is a great point.

I'm hesitant on Sanders just because he has no coaching experience, even as a coordinator, at this level.  That's my only hesitation about him.

Eliminate the misbehaviors of Hugh Freeze and he would be my #1 choice.  Proven SEC head coach, proven recruiter, proven offensive genius and QB developer, and he hung 55 points on Saban two years in a row back when Alabama had a good defense.  And he would love this job and stay here for the long haul.  And let's please not pretend we haven't given another cheater a chance to redeem himself: see Bruce Pearl.  And that was a great hire for us.

Bruce Pearl?

He threw a BBQ…. Big character redemption he had there🤣

BP is likely the most egregious case of NCAA overstep in their entire history. 
Freeze on the other hand has constant and consistent moral failures. Not even remotely comparable.  Freeze is 100000 times the risk Deion is in my (meaningless) opinion……and Deion is a decent sized risk 

Let the media run by bammers get hold of a Freeze moral failure story at AU. You think we’re bad off now…

Edited November 5, 2022 by MustardSeed

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3 minutes ago, MustardSeed said:

Bruce Pearl?

He threw a BBQ…. Big character redemption he had there🤣

BP is likely the most egregious case of NCAA overstep in their entire history. 
Freeze on the other hand has constant and consistent moral failures. Not even remotely comparable.  Freeze is 100000 times the risk Deion is in my (meaningless) opinion……and Deion is a decent sized risk 

Let the media run by bammers get hold of a Freeze moral failure story at AU. You think we’re bad off now…

I don’t disagree with what you say about Freeze. BP’s problems with NCAA was about lying about the BBQ and asking those (recruits) that were there to lie to NCAA. Thats why the NCAA had the penalty clause for hiring him. Not the BBQ.

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21 minutes ago, Hank2020 said:

I don’t disagree with what you say about Freeze. BP’s problems with NCAA was about lying about the BBQ and asking those (recruits) that were there to lie to NCAA. Thats why the NCAA had the penalty clause for hiring him. Not the BBQ.

Pretty much every case they’ve ever looked into for any reason has the same things going on. Yet they rarely use a show cause even when coaches are involved in getting players money.  Alabama got proven to have given a kid money and they just made the kid give the money back. No other trouble at all. BP was railroaded and it was absurd. 

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16 hours ago, pensacolatiger said:

But would we get a competent Coach?  That’s a big deal in the SEC

In the 7 years before Prime became the coach at Jackson State, the football team won 21 games.   In the past 1.75 years, it has won 19.   IMO, this turn around alone shows Prime is a "competent" coach.  Add in the fact that he actually played the game for a long time at the very highest level.  Add in the fact that he is extremely competitive. He may not be our answer, although I believe he is, but he is, at least, competent.

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1 hour ago, MustardSeed said:

Pretty much every case they’ve ever looked into for any reason has the same things going on. Yet they rarely use a show cause even when coaches are involved in getting players money.  Alabama got proven to have given a kid money and they just made the kid give the money back. No other trouble at all. BP was railroaded and it was absurd. 

Not sure what part of he lied that you don’t understand.   Plus he asked them to also lie.   Now throw in what happened at Auburn under his watch.   It’s just hilarious how some go after one guy but bend over backwards for the other guy.  

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4 minutes ago, aubaseball said:

Not sure what part of he lied that you don’t understand.   Plus he asked them to also lie.   Now throw in what happened at Auburn under his watch.   It’s just hilarious how some go after one guy but bend over backwards for the other guy.  

Well one guy lied to the NCAA about a BBQ. Another guy paid escorts for recruits and DM’d a sexual abuse victim multiple times this past summer. Yea, that’s pretty much the same…

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21 minutes ago, aubaseball said:

Not sure what part of he lied that you don’t understand.   Plus he asked them to also lie.   Now throw in what happened at Auburn under his watch.   It’s just hilarious how some go after one guy but bend over backwards for the other guy.  

Show me another show cause case the NCAA has done that even compared to BP. 
I could be wrong but I very seriously doubt youll find anything close

And covering up for a BARBECUE versus hookers and all kinds of moral issues that happen over and over aren’t even in the same hemisphere. 
As far as what happened here…Bruce was cleared…unless you’re implying he’s guilty of something the NCAA didn’t accuse him of?  The guy that was found guilty got what he deserved. End of story. No one has to bend over backwards to defend having a BBQ and then covering up HAVING A BBQ!  Freeze on the other hand has all kinds of people bending over all kinds of ways…. He’d literally tweet out scripture in the morning, go talk at meeting about integrity in the afternoon and then leave and call hookers and lie about it…. And even though it’s all come out and he’s admitted it to people privately he still lies about it publicly. And still has continuing moral failures to this day. 
But let’s call covering up a BBQ the same thing. Sure 🙄

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Here’s my take: if you want immoral and unethical slime ball at least go with someone who has won championships like Urban. Geesh, some of you Auburn fans can’t even vouch for the right guy who does these types of things and instead go for someone who’s at best an average coach. Talk about a cult….

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2 minutes ago, MustardSeed said:

Show me another show cause case the NCAA has done that even compared to BP. 
I could be wrong but I very seriously doubt youll find anything close

And covering up for a BARBECUE versus hookers and all kinds of moral issues that happen over and over aren’t even in the same hemisphere. 
As far as what happened here…Bruce was cleared…unless you’re implying he’s guilty of something the NCAA didn’t accuse him of?  The guy that was found guilty got what he deserved. End of story. No one has to bend over backwards to defend having a BBQ and then covering up HAVING A BBQ!  Freeze on the other hand has all kinds of people bending over all kinds of ways…. He’d literally tweet out scripture in the morning, go talk at meeting about integrity in the afternoon and then leave and call hookers and lie about it…. And even though it’s all come out and he’s admitted it to people privately he still lies about it publicly. And still has continuing moral failures to this day. 
But let’s call covering up a BBQ the same thing. Sure 🙄

Again, it’s real simple.   He lied and tried to get others to lie.   It’s not about a BBQ.   Keep telling yourself that.   As far as hookers, who cares.  Honestly, he is a grown man and he makes his own decisions.   You can go out to Nevada and it’s legal.    People are are going crazy over this and he is a grown man.   
If we are holding standards over people, shouldn’t the HC of a team know what is going on underneath them?   

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4 minutes ago, Auburnguy101 said:

Here’s my take: if you want immoral and unethical slime ball at least go with someone who has won championships like Urban. Geesh, some of you Auburn fans can’t even vouch for the right guy who does these types of things and instead go for someone who’s at best an average coach. Talk about a cult….

He is the person that I’ve stated earlier that should be the first phone call 

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2 minutes ago, aubaseball said:

Again, it’s real simple.   He lied and tried to get others to lie.   It’s not about a BBQ.   Keep telling yourself that.   As far as hookers, who cares.  Honestly, he is a grown man and he makes his own decisions.   You can go out to Nevada and it’s legal.    People are are going crazy over this and he is a grown man.   
If we are holding standards over people, shouldn’t the HC of a team know what is going on underneath them?   

Thank God fans don’t get to pick coaches to lead young men

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Go Big or Go Home!

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15 hours ago, MaxCohen216 said:

#4 is a great point.

I'm hesitant on Sanders just because he has no coaching experience, even as a coordinator, at this level.  That's my only hesitation about him.

Eliminate the misbehaviors of Hugh Freeze and he would be my #1 choice.  Proven SEC head coach, proven recruiter, proven offensive genius and QB developer, and he hung 55 points on Saban two years in a row back when Alabama had a good defense.  And he would love this job and stay here for the long haul.  And let's please not pretend we haven't given another cheater a chance to redeem himself: see Bruce Pearl.  And that was a great hire for us.

I like Freeze more than Sanders, Freeze didn’t do anything Saban hasn’t 

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On 11/4/2022 at 3:03 PM, auburnatl1 said:

The logic for Deion. No ra-ra (which is more fun). He is unlike any other hire we’ve (maybe any P5) ever considered and there’s no wise old man to talk to to figure it out. The opportunity is historically unique - no precedent - and therefore he’s been tagged by some as not grownup table thinking.  I believe that is a set in our ways mistake we would deeply regret. Potentially very quickly and for a long time. The case:

1) Recruiting/the portal -  We were getting crushed in recruiting before Harsin. And uga has benefitted. Deion, who’s brand is literally worth $10s if not $100s of millions alone, could be the most dominant force in all of college football. This will be hard for some to accept - but imo beyond Dabo and maybe even Saban. Immediately. He would dominate metro Atlanta (which has the population of ala and miss combined) and other southern, especially Fla/Texas, cities.   

2) elite coordinators. Deions intellect of the game is greatly underestimated and he knows to/can build the strongest most senior staff in college football.  And he could be helped with the large program experience concerns, as he transitions.

3) Financial. No $20-40m buyout. Straight deal.  Revenue from tv (ratings would be through the roof), and merchandise and tickets sales would increase radically. Strengthens NIL. Also, potential under amour impact.

4) hiring him instead of another coach doesn’t create a vacancy at a competitor that he might fill. I have absolutely no interest in competing against him.

5) Unifies the fan base and combined with Pearl, coalesces a fresh, high energy AU brand. Buries our current dysfunction rep. 

6) Turn around speed. Unlike lesser known or “redemption” candidates. Prime gives the highest impact velocity. Current train wreck recruiting class could be  resurrected to a top 5-10 realistically. 

7) Finally, our situation demands it. It’s historically bad. From every perspective. Solving this like our other messes just brings us back here in 3 yrs. Situations dictate the solution/candidate. We’re currently a fading afterthought with a disintegrating roster - and require a massive splash jump start.

Including Kiffin (who I accept as plan b), if ANY other option being discussed could directly challenge saban and Kirby,  as fast and with as high a ceiling as prime, I’d love to hear the name. And candidly I struggle with the risk arguments if people would fully think it through. Musk got where he is because he knew a good bet when others didn’t.  It’s that kind of moment. We could blow up the current elite status quo. IMO going Jaba safe is actually our highest risk possible. Unless the new goal is just beating arky most of the time.

If I wasn't convinced considering him as a serious top tier program candidate was a joke before, I do now.

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13 minutes ago, aucanucktiger said:

If I wasn't convinced considering him as a serious top tier program candidate was a joke before, I do now.

Wow. Keen useful insight 

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Should we be worried about the choking allegations from his past?

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1 minute ago, AUwent said:

Should we be worried about the choking allegations from his past?

[auburnatl1 4,875]

6 minutes ago, AUwent said:

Should we be worried about the choking allegations from his past?

He’s been on every media outlet imaginable in the past month and not a peep besides he’s their darling. Especially 60 mins who would fully vet him.  No idea beyond that. 

Edited November 6, 2022 by auburnatl1

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10 minutes ago, AUwent said:

Should we be worried about the choking allegations from his past?

It’s a non-story.

 

unless Auburn hires him 

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15 hours ago, NES said:

I like Freeze more than Sanders, Freeze didn’t do anything Saban hasn’t 

You are correct. The REC has hookers/strippers in T-Town when the recruits come in. There are pictures here of some of that going on. 

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Deion would not only be able to recruit and use the portal immediately  but he would bring in the emotion and intensity that Cadillac  showed last night. He has the ability to promote Auburn University  Nationally and no doubt can get some great Assistant Coaches which I hope is Cadillac to keep our players playing hard. I am ok with Kiffin and Freeze if we go that way but the sky is the limit and a fast turn around immediately  with Dieon. Again just my opinion I respect the other opinions on this board.

Edited November 6, 2022 by Muscle Shoals Tiger

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1 hour ago, Muscle Shoals Tiger said:

Down would not only be able to recruit and use the portal immediately  but he would bring in the emotion and intensity that Cadillac  showed last night. He has the ability to promote Auburn University  Nationally and no doubt can get some great Assistant Coaches which I hope is Cadillac to keep our players playing hard. I am ok with Kiffin and Freeze if we go that way but the sky is the limit and a fast turn around immediately  with Dieon. Again just my opinion I respect the other opinions on this board.

Agree with you, it’s got to be Deion! Those other two I could get behind, but Deion is the homerun hire!

[auburnatl1 4,875]

Besides the other challenges listed,  another  issue with luring prime might be control. He’s a pure alpha competitor and would potentially struggle not having significant control of the program. He’ll have many options over the next several years (he’s in no hurry) and he may be picky. Same with kiffin. Other candidates we’re discussing have less options, and therefore would be more….. pliable. We’ll see.

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Deon would be a great hire for the obvious reasons - even if stayed for only a few years.  It would certainly put us on an equivalent basis talent-wise with the top programs in the league.

I just can't think of a good reason why he might want to do it. 

 

 

 

Edited November 7, 2022 by homersapien