Republicans Want To Blame Their Election Disaster On Trump. Don't Fall For It.

[CoffeeTiger 5,101]

https://newrepublic.com/article/168769/blame-trump-midterms-2024-run

 

Here's a take that points out that trump was actually wildly successful in his endorsements this election outside of a couple of big time exceptions in Oz and Masters. 80% of Trump endorsed candidates won this past primary. A higher percentage than his endorsements the past 5 years. Is it really Donald Trumps fault if the GOP embraced his lies and his madness and then lost elections because of it? 

Here's some select quotes: 

Some Republicans are starting to mutter aloud that they’re over Trump and it’s time to move on. His midterm kingmaking record was a disaster, and if not for his meddling … well, what? Their theory is that the party would have been fine. Right. Republicans, I have news for you: You cannot blame this train wreck of an election on Trump. There’s plenty more blame to go around, and if you think the only problem you have with the American people is Donald Trump, you are being delusional. The differences between the Trump you’re rejecting and the Trumpism to which you’re clinging are barely discernible.

 

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The House disaster for Republicans certainly can’t be blamed on Trump. Then whose fault was it? Well, how about we start with Samuel Alito and the Supreme Court? Alito’s in-your-face opinion spiking Roe, combined with Clarence Thomas’s concurring declaration of war on much of modernity, obviously spurred a huge backlash. The court could have taken John Roberts’s middle path on Dobbs, simply upholding the Mississippi law without completely defenestrating Roe, and the effect would have been similar but the political backlash minimal. But the five right-wing justices are maximalists, and they cost the Republicans far more votes than Trump did.

How about Kevin McCarthy and Tom Emmer, the GOP House member who oversaw their campaign effort this cycle? Did they really need to recruit and back all those extremist election deniers? This is partially Trump’s fault, because without him, the Big Lie that underpins the GOP’s widespread election denialism might not exist. But it’s not like the Republican Party put up a lot of resistance. Remember, roughly two-thirds of the House GOP caucus voted not to certify Joe Biden as president. Was that Donald Trump’s fault? Were they suddenly robbed of their free will?

And to the extent that voters out there—in, say, the 7th congressional district of Virginia, where Democrat Abigail Spanberger won reelection against an extremist, or Michigan’s 3rd, where Hillary Scholten did the same—judged the Republican candidates to be outside the mainstream and unserious about governing, was that Trump’s fault? Again, sort of. But the GOP’s death march to unseriousness predates Trump. When a party spends years announcing to the nation—with pride, no less!—that it doesn’t take governing and policymaking the least bit seriously, voters eventually get the message."

Republicans want to be able to say now: Trump is Trump, this beast, this Other; and we are we, the party of Lincoln and Reagan, and we want nothing to do with that man. It doesn’t work that way, gang. Have you been to a CPAC recently? Whatever Trump brought to the party, y’all really ran with it: You embraced the man and remade your party in his image. You hugged him when that worked for you, at an immense cost to the republic, a cost whose enormity we don’t yet know. Now you want to make him the fall guy for sins of your own commission? That dog won’t hunt.

Trump’s prospective candidacy gives Republicans a chance to take a stand, does it not? There is nothing preventing Mitch McConnell (whom Trump recently called a “broken old crow,”) Kevin McCarthy, Ronna McDaniel, and anyone else in the party hierarchy from saying: “I wish he would not run, and I will not support him.” Twelve simple words. Will any of them utter them? This week, we’ll find out.

 

[I_M4_AU 7,801]

This poll seems to indicate a dip in Trump’s popularity.

 

But its a long time until November of 2024.

[Elephant Tipper 430]

 

Overall, DJT has a higher % of endorsees being elected compared with Barack Obama.  The Republicans should be thankful that DJT endorsed them.

DJT had 409 of 543 candidates elected, 75%.  BO had 359 of 629 candidates elected, 57%.  The candidates are procured and prepared by the State and National Parties, NOT TRUMP.  This was the problem with the Republican Party in the 2022 election.  In those contests that Republicans lost and are complaining that DJT is responsible is ridiculous because it was their own fault for having put up lesser-quality candidates than the Dems.  Oz vs Lurch is an exception.  The better candidate lost because of abortion. The winning Dems had better resumes and the abortion debate in several States made a difference.

If the Republicans expect to win, then they need to vastly improve their candidate quality and strategy.  Thank you, Senator Rick Scott. That was your job.

In response to the Republic's article, all they are trying to do is match Biden with DJT again in 2024.  Most likely it will happen.  My bet is that DJT will win, that is, if he endorses himself.

Also, if Republicans are going to complain about DJT endorsements, then they are also complaining about DeSantis endorsements because he endorsed all of the same candidates as Trump.

 

Endorsements by Donald Trump, 2018-2022
Election year	Total endorsements	Primary endorsements	Primary success rate	General election endorsements	General election success rate
2022	495	241	93%	254	80%
2021	6	3	100%	3	67%
2020	303	121	97%	182	78%
2019	14	5	80%	9	67%
2018	132	37	95%	95	59%
Note: This table does not include endorsements made in presidential elections.

Endorsements by Donald Trump - Ballotpedia

 

Endorsements by Barack Obama, 2018-2022
Election year	Total endorsements	Primary endorsements	Primary success rate	General election endorsements	General election success rate
2022	20	0	N/A	20	65%
2021	22	0	N/A	22	59%
2020	228	0	N/A	228	40%
2019	17	0	N/A	17	53%
2018	342	0	N/A	342	68%
Note: This table does not include endorsements made in presidential elections.

Endorsements by Barack Obama - Ballotpedia

Edited November 15, 2022 by Elephant Tipper

[icanthearyou 4,462]

14 hours ago, Elephant Tipper said:

Also, if Republicans are going to complain about DJT endorsements, then they are also complaining about DeSantis endorsements because he endorsed all of the same candidates as Trump.

We just gotta figure out who owns the libs.

[Elephant Tipper 430]

1 hour ago, icanthearyou said:

We just gotta figure out who owns the libs.

The biggest demon of them all......Saban

[icanthearyou 4,462]

On 11/15/2022 at 11:46 AM, Elephant Tipper said:

The biggest demon of them all......Saban

How do we solve our "Saban" problem?

Saban 2024!!!

Saban to the Whitehouse, Dabo to Tuscaloosa.

This is brilliant.  This is the kind of "out of the box" thinking we need more of.

[Elephant Tipper 430]

4 hours ago, icanthearyou said:

How do we solve our "Saban" problem?

Saban 2024!!!

Saban to the Whitehouse, Dabo to Tuscaloosa.

This is brilliant.  This is the kind of "out of the box" thinking we need more of.

Bravo !!!

[BizTiger 242]

If Republican primary voters want to keep pretending like Trump isn't a problem, good luck with that. 

[autigeremt 6,599]

DeSantis is going to wipe the floor with Trump if it ends up a head to head for the GOP nomination. 

[BizTiger 242]

2 hours ago, autigeremt said:

DeSantis is going to wipe the floor with Trump if it ends up a head to head for the GOP nomination. 

I'm not so sure about that. I still think the House GOP is going to "Hunter's laptop" the country to death and force the party to choose a more electable candidate. 

Ron Desantis is just as extreme as Trump, minus the gravitas. Nasally voice, no personality... that's gonna matter. 

[icanthearyou 4,462]

2 hours ago, autigeremt said:

DeSantis is going to wipe the floor with Trump if it ends up a head to head for the GOP nomination. 

Don't know but,,, the debates will surely be "entertaining".

[NolaAuTiger 3,295]

17 hours ago, BizTiger said:

Ron Desantis is just as extreme as Trump

Explain. 

[DKW 86 7,419]

On 11/14/2022 at 8:01 PM, Elephant Tipper said:

 

Overall, DJT has a higher % of endorsees being elected compared with Barack Obama.  The Republicans should be thankful that DJT endorsed them.

DJT had 409 of 543 candidates elected, 75%.  BO had 359 of 629 candidates elected, 57%.  The candidates are procured and prepared by the State and National Parties, NOT TRUMP.  This was the problem with the Republican Party in the 2022 election.  In those contests that Republicans lost and are complaining that DJT is responsible is ridiculous because it was their own fault for having put up lesser-quality candidates than the Dems.  Oz vs Lurch is an exception.  The better candidate lost because of abortion. The winning Dems had better resumes and the abortion debate in several States made a difference.

If the Republicans expect to win, then they need to vastly improve their candidate quality and strategy.  Thank you, Senator Rick Scott. That was your job.

In response to the Republic's article, all they are trying to do is match Biden with DJT again in 2024.  Most likely it will happen.  My bet is that DJT will win, that is, if he endorses himself.

Also, if Republicans are going to complain about DJT endorsements, then they are also complaining about DeSantis endorsements because he endorsed all of the same candidates as Trump.

 

Endorsements by Donald Trump, 2018-2022
Election year	Total endorsements	Primary endorsements	Primary success rate	General election endorsements	General election success rate
2022	495	241	93%	254	80%
2021	6	3	100%	3	67%
2020	303	121	97%	182	78%
2019	14	5	80%	9	67%
2018	132	37	95%	95	59%
Note: This table does not include endorsements made in presidential elections.

Endorsements by Donald Trump - Ballotpedia

 

Endorsements by Barack Obama, 2018-2022
Election year	Total endorsements	Primary endorsements	Primary success rate	General election endorsements	General election success rate
2022	20	0	N/A	20	65%
2021	22	0	N/A	22	59%
2020	228	0	N/A	228	40%
2019	17	0	N/A	17	53%
2018	342	0	N/A	342	68%
Note: This table does not include endorsements made in presidential elections.

Endorsements by Barack Obama - Ballotpedia

This denies other issues at work BHO had the unpopularity of the ACA Act to overcome. The Dems lost 1000+ seats nationwide afterwards. 

IT WAS STILL THE RIGHT THING TO DO. I say that while actively holding an ACA Insurance Plan for my family. 

[Elephant Tipper 430]

On 11/20/2022 at 10:23 AM, DKW 86 said:

This denies other issues at work BHO had the unpopularity of the ACA Act to overcome. The Dems lost 1000+ seats nationwide afterwards. 

IT WAS STILL THE RIGHT THING TO DO. I say that while actively holding an ACA Insurance Plan for my family. 

Did BO have to overcome a fake dossier, 2 impeachments and endless, baseless investigations ?  I think not.  What BO had to overcome were the decisions made by his Party which is why the Dems suffered at the polls; what DJT overcame were decisions made by the Dem Party too, yet still gained ground across the Nation, just not in the Senate.