Education Department Opens Federal Civil Rights Investigation Into a Texas School District's Banning of LGBTQ Books

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10 minutes ago, arein0 said:

Sounds like you want excuses not parental accountability.

@AUFAN78 am I doing this right? 

You don’t have teenagers do you?  When I was going through the teenage years with my kids, it was trust but verify.  The comeback was always “you don’t trust me”, like that was suppose to hurt or something.  I would say, “you’re d*mn right I don’t trust you, get over it”.

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25 minutes ago, arein0 said:

Sounds like you want excuses not parental accountability.

@AUFAN78 am I doing this right? 

Haven't read the entire thread, but based on previous conversation I'd venture to guess no. 

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14 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

You don’t have teenagers do you?  When I was going through the teenage years with my kids, it was trust but verify.  The comeback was always “you don’t trust me”, like that was suppose to hurt or something.  I would say, “you’re d*mn right I don’t trust you, get over it”.

I dont see how your story relates to what I quoted other than you not trusting your kids.

Please tell me how "when you tell a kid not to do something they do it anyway" and "peer pressure" are not excuses for parental accountability.

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4 minutes ago, AUFAN78 said:

Haven't read the entire thread, but based on previous conversation I'd venture to guess no. 

I couldnt have asked for a more perfect answer 😂

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6 minutes ago, arein0 said:

I dont see how your story relates to what I quoted other than you not trusting your kids.

Please tell me how "when you tell a kid not to do something they do it anyway" and "peer pressure" are not excuses for parental accountability.

Do you have teenagers?

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7 minutes ago, arein0 said:

I couldnt have asked for a more perfect answer 😂

You earned it. 

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5 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

Do you have teenagers?

Why does me having or not having teenagers have an impact on whether those are excuses or not?

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1 minute ago, arein0 said:

Why does me having or not having teenagers have an impact on whether those are excuses or not?

Sets a basis on your experience level.

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Just now, I_M4_AU said:

Sets a basis on your experience level.

Dont see how that's relevant.

In case you need a refresher, here is the definition for an excuse:

a reason or explanation put forward to defend or justify a fault or offense.

For example, when parents feel their parental accountability is compromised, they could blame it on kids not listening or peer pressure to justify the offense.

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1 minute ago, arein0 said:

Dont see how that's relevant.

In case you need a refresher, here is the definition for an excuse:

a reason or explanation put forward to defend or justify a fault or offense.

For example, when parents feel their parental accountability is compromised, they could blame it on kids not listening or peer pressure to justify the offense.

By your answer I know you have no clue how difficult it is to handle a teenager.  I did not justify any excuse or fault.  I kept a watchful eye on my kids when they thought they knew everything there was to know.

If my kids did something stupid, which is inevitable, I made them own up to it even if it cost me monetarily or otherwise.

If a parent sticks their head in the sand and turns a blind eye to what is happening with their teenagers and the longer it goes undetected the worse the situation can get.

I know several good parents that have drug addicted kids because those kids believed their peers more than the parents.  You are very short sighted.

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44 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

By your answer I know you have no clue how difficult it is to handle a teenager.  I did not justify any excuse or fault.  I kept a watchful eye on my kids when they thought they knew everything there was to know.

If my kids did something stupid, which is inevitable, I made them own up to it even if it cost me monetarily or otherwise.

If a parent sticks their head in the sand and turns a blind eye to what is happening with their teenagers and the longer it goes undetected the worse the situation can get.

I know several good parents that have drug addicted kids because those kids believed their peers more than the parents.  You are very short sighted.

1. I think you are getting defensive that I am attacking your parental ability, which I am not. I really dont care how you are as a parent since that is irrelevant to the conversation.

2. I'm not even saying the parents are bad if their kids are addicted to drugs.

All I am saying is that "my kids wont listen to me" and peer pressure are excuses to make said parent feel a little better...is it not?

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22 hours ago, arein0 said:

1. I think you are getting defensive that I am attacking your parental ability, which I am not. I really dont care how you are as a parent since that is irrelevant to the conversation.

2. I'm not even saying the parents are bad if their kids are addicted to drugs.

All I am saying is that "my kids wont listen to me" and peer pressure are excuses to make said parent feel a little better...is it not?

I’m not being defensive, my oldest is 42, middle 38 and youngest 34.  I might have been defensive 20 years ago or so, but not now.  I just know teens believe they know everything there is to know without parental guidance.  If is an inherent flaw in their belief system.  Parents who have had a great relationship with their kids for 10 years or so can be blindsided by the thinking of a teenager and can be taken advantage of.  It doesn’t mean it will happen, just that it can.

It doesn’t make a parent feel better if the child does destructive things in his/her life.  At that point you have to go outside your sphere of influence to correct the problem, because the trust between you and your child has eroded.  It could work if he/she is not doing the little things correctly, it depends on the parent.

Can you imagine a teenager given the power of having people of authority believing every word they say is the truth and the authority figure has to believe them?  It’s what is happening in our schools.

 

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Even the left is beginning to see the light:

 

 

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On 12/21/2022 at 1:30 PM, I_M4_AU said:

Is this what you are asking?

This is what I said earlier in the thread:

The point is that Texas does not teach sex ed unless the parents opt-in.  Why would the board have LGBTQ1+ books in the library?  If the kids want to read up on that subject there are other libraries and/or book stores they can visit.  I don’t think the schools are obligated to provide this material.

To add to that; so, if you can’t figure it out, yes I do agree with the superintendent as it is his school district to govern.  He is not forbidding students or parents from going to other libraries or book stores if they have an interest in the subject.  It would not be fair to the parents who opt out of sex education to expose their children to this material.

The issue is the Feds and the ridiculous EOs Biden signed in his first days in office.  Does that overrule local school districts.  I don’t think so.

The problem is the targeted removal of books.  Learning doesn't mean simply learning what fits a narrative.  If a high school kid, in the midst of puberty, wants to learn about being sexually attracted to someone of the same sex, it is because they are likely experiencing something that they don't understand.  When you ban those books, you are implying that they are defective in some way.  You are telling them that they can't be honest and that they should be ashamed of who they are.  That emboldens bullying and reinforces a lack of respect for these students.

I'm not in favor of discussing sex in any way with very young children .  However, if they are old enough to have sex, they are old enough to learn about the subject.

I think banning most kinds of books is a dangerous precedent.  I had a similar discussion a few days ago with a friend about the latest DeSantis stunt in Florida.  I disagree strongly with most all parts of critical race theory.  However, if someone wants to take an AP course on African American History and that course happens to include a section on CRT, they should be free to learn and develop their own opinions on the subject.  Government should not be laying their heavy hands on the ability to learn.

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1 hour ago, AU9377 said:

Government should not be laying their heavy hands on the ability to learn.

Who do you think comes up with the curriculum in schools?  Biden, by EO, decreed we should teach gender theory under the guise of anti-bullying of the LGBTQ;aoksjf  Coalition.  Anti-bullying can be taught by other means than teaching gender theory.  The government has essentially made up a curriculum that only affects > 1% of the population and is teaching it to 100% of the students in K-3.  Does this make sense to anybody?

1 hour ago, AU9377 said:

I think banning most kinds of books is a dangerous precedent.  I had a similar discussion a few days ago with a friend about the latest DeSantis stunt in Florida.  I disagree strongly with most all parts of critical race theory.  However, if someone wants to take an AP course on African American History and that course happens to include a section on CRT, they should be free to learn and develop their own opinions on the subject. 

The Education Departments of these schools are not talking about banning most books.  They have a responsibility to all parents to put books in the school libraries for references to class work that are taught in schools.  Sex education is taught in schools and the subject of same sex relationships are discussed.  If a student wants to explore more on the subject and do research the school library should be a source, but not a how to guide including illustrations, IMO.  If you want that, you can go to the public library or buy books on the subject on you own time.  There are a lot of porn sites that offer illustrations on the how to of same sex relationships.  It really shouldn’t be taxpayer funded.

As to the AP course on African American History, DeSantis, rightfully so, has the final say as to what is being taught in Florida’s public schools, he is the governor.  From what I understand, he doesn’t agree with teaching CRT, the 1619 project and/or black queer theory in public schools in his state.  The College Boards came up with the curriculum and usually gets an automatic pass, but the course teaches a theory of history that is not history, it’s theory (perception).

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8 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

Who do you think comes up with the curriculum in schools?  Biden, by EO, decreed we should teach gender theory under the guise of anti-bullying of the LGBTQ;aoksjf  Coalition.  Anti-bullying can be taught by other means than teaching gender theory.  The government has essentially made up a curriculum that only affects > 1% of the population and is teaching it to 100% of the students in K-3.  Does this make sense to anybody?

The Education Departments of these schools are not talking about banning most books.  They have a responsibility to all parents to put books in the school libraries for references to class work that are taught in schools.  Sex education is taught in schools and the subject of same sex relationships are discussed.  If a student wants to explore more on the subject and do research the school library should be a source, but not a how to guide including illustrations, IMO.  If you want that, you can go to the public library or buy books on the subject on you own time.  There are a lot of porn sites that offer illustrations on the how to of same sex relationships.  It really shouldn’t be taxpayer funded.

As to the AP course on African American History, DeSantis, rightfully so, has the final say as to what is being taught in Florida’s public schools, he is the governor.  From what I understand, he doesn’t agree with teaching CRT, the 1619 project and/or black queer theory in public schools in his state.  The College Boards came up with the curriculum and usually gets an automatic pass, but the course teaches a theory of history that is not history, it’s theory (perception).

Do you have a source for this? Genuinely asking.

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23 minutes ago, AUDynasty said:

Do you have a source for this? Genuinely asking.

According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition, gender dysphoria prevalence accounts for 0.005–0.014% of the population for biological males and 0.002–0.003% for biological females. In both Japan and Poland, the prevalence of gender dysphoria is higher in biological females.

https://www.therecoveryvillage.com/mental-health/gender-dysphoria/gender-dysphoria-statistics/

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37 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

Who do you think comes up with the curriculum in schools?  Biden, by EO, decreed we should teach gender theory under the guise of anti-bullying of the LGBTQ;aoksjf  Coalition.  Anti-bullying can be taught by other means than teaching gender theory.  The government has essentially made up a curriculum that only affects > 1% of the population and is teaching it to 100% of the students in K-3.  Does this make sense to anybody?

The Education Departments of these schools are not talking about banning most books.  They have a responsibility to all parents to put books in the school libraries for references to class work that are taught in schools.  Sex education is taught in schools and the subject of same sex relationships are discussed.  If a student wants to explore more on the subject and do research the school library should be a source, but not a how to guide including illustrations, IMO.  If you want that, you can go to the public library or buy books on the subject on you own time.  There are a lot of porn sites that offer illustrations on the how to of same sex relationships.  It really shouldn’t be taxpayer funded.

As to the AP course on African American History, DeSantis, rightfully so, has the final say as to what is being taught in Florida’s public schools, he is the governor.  From what I understand, he doesn’t agree with teaching CRT, the 1619 project and/or black queer theory in public schools in his state.  The College Boards came up with the curriculum and usually gets an automatic pass, but the course teaches a theory of history that is not history, it’s theory (perception).

That just isn't happening.  I have a friend who teaches 3rd grade.  She teaches none of that and nobody in her public school teaches that.

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4 minutes ago, AU9377 said:

That just isn't happening.  I have a friend who teaches 3rd grade.  She teaches none of that and nobody in her public school teaches that.

Does anecdotal evidence count?

This is in a preschool in NC.

 

If it is taught in one school it is taught.  I can do this all day

By the way, this is not teaching, it is indoctrination.

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49 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition, gender dysphoria prevalence accounts for 0.005–0.014% of the population for biological males and 0.002–0.003% for biological females. In both Japan and Poland, the prevalence of gender dysphoria is higher in biological females.

https://www.therecoveryvillage.com/mental-health/gender-dysphoria/gender-dysphoria-statistics/

Those numbers are:

Males: 825K-2.3M

Females: 330K-495K

Just for discussion.

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Evanston–Skokie School District 65 has adopted a radical gender curriculum that teaches pre-kindergarten through third-grade students to celebrate the transgender flag, break the “gender binary” established by white “colonizers,” and experiment with neo-pronouns such as “ze,” “zir,” and “tree.”

I have obtained the full curriculum documents, which are part of the Chicago-area district’s “LGBTQ+ Equity Week,” which administrators adopted last year. The curriculum begins in pre-kindergarten, with a series of lessons on sexual orientation and gender identity. The lesson plan opens with an introduction to the rainbow flag and teaches students that “Each color in the flag has a meaning.” The teacher also presents the transgender flag and the basic concepts of gender identity, explaining that “we call people with more than one gender or no gender, non-binary or queer.” Finally, the lesson plan has the teacher leading a class project to create a rainbow flag, with instructions to “gather students on the rug,” “ask them to show you their flags,” and “proudly hang the class flag where they can all see it.”

In kindergarten, the lessons on gender and trans identity go deeper. “When we show whether we feel like a boy or a girl or some of each, we are expressing our GENDER IDENTITY,” the lesson begins. “There are also children who feel like a girl AND a boy; or like neither a boy OR a girl. We can call these children TRANSGENDER.” Students are expected to be able to “explain the importance of the rainbow flag and trans flag” and are asked to consider their own gender identity. The kindergartners read two books that affirm transgender conversions, study photographs of boys in dresses, learn details about the transgender flag, and perform a rainbow dance. At the end of the lesson, the students are encouraged to adopt and share their own gender identities with the class. “Now you have a chance to make a picture to show how YOU identify,” the lesson reads. “Maybe you want to have blue hair! Maybe you want to be wearing a necklace. Your identity is for YOU to decide!”

https://www.city-journal.org/radical-gender-lessons-for-young-children

It is being taught.

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11 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

Those numbers are:

Males: 825K-2.3M

Females: 330K-495K

Just for discussion.

Based on what numbers?

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32 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

Based on what numbers?

Ones in story.

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9 minutes ago, DKW 86 said:

Ones in story.

I ran the numbers on the number of children 0-17 and got:

188K to 442K male, and

71.8K to 107.2K female.

I limited it to school age children in the US as that is what the curriculum is targeting.