The liberal media’s cynical gaslighting on House probes into Hunter Biden

[AUFAN78 3,893]

The media have spent months preparing to do damage control after falsely and repeatedly calling the Hunter Biden laptop “Russian disinformation.” Even after belatedly acknowledging the laptop’s authenticity two years after The Post’s October 2020 reveal, they continue to bury the story involving Russian, Chinese, Ukrainian and other foreign interests, including figures associated with foreign intelligence.

Now the details of one of the largest and most lucrative influence-peddling operations in history could be made public — along with their effort to conceal it.

https://nypost.com/2023/01/09/the-liberal-medias-cynical-gaslighting-on-house-probes-into-hunter-biden/

[homersapien 11,357]

Ah yes.  New York Post.  Another Rupert Murdoch right wing tabloid.  

 

"The Post has been criticized since the beginning of Murdoch's ownership for sensationalism, blatant advocacy, and conservative bias. In 1980, the Columbia Journalism Review stated that the "New York Post is no longer merely a journalistic problem. It is a social problem—a force for evil."^[60]

The Post has been accused of contorting its news coverage to suit Murdoch's business needs, in particular avoiding subjects which could be unflattering to the government of the People's Republic of China, where Murdoch has invested heavily in satellite television.^[61]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Post

 

[AUFAN78 3,893]

 Yo King Weasel, care to address the content from Jonathan Turley a highly respected attorney and legal scholar? 

[homersapien 11,357]

5 minutes ago, AUFAN78 said:

 Yo King Weasel, care to address the content from Jonathan Turley a highly respected attorney and legal scholar? 

Quote it turd brain.

Edited January 12, 2023 by homersapien

[AUFAN78 3,893]

1 minute ago, homersapien said:

quote it

You just read it.

[homersapien 11,357]

5 minutes ago, AUFAN78 said:

You just read it.

I don't waste my time reading s*** from garbage propaganda sources, especially within a post titled like this one.

Quote it.

Edited January 12, 2023 by homersapien

[AUFAN78 3,893]

4 minutes ago, homersapien said:

I don't waste my time reading s*** from garbage propaganda sources. Quote it.

BS. You quote WAPO daily.

But, now you know how people feel reading your posts. Homey=pure garbage propaganda. Nice ring to it.

[homersapien 11,357]

3 minutes ago, AUFAN78 said:

BS. You quote WAPO daily.

But, now you know how people feel reading your posts. Homey=pure garbage propaganda. Nice ring to it.

So, you don't actually have anything to argue? 

 

 

 

Edited January 12, 2023 by homersapien

[AUFAN78 3,893]

3 minutes ago, homersapien said:

So, you don't actually have anything to argue? 

 

 

 

No that was you. I simply called it out. 

[homersapien 11,357]

1 hour ago, AUFAN78 said:

No that was you. I simply called it out. 

OK fine,  Mr. "Weasel".

We'll just forget about Mr. Turley and roll back to my initial response:

1 hour ago, homersapien said:

Ah yes.  New York Post.  Another Rupert Murdoch right wing tabloid.  

 

"The Post has been criticized since the beginning of Murdoch's ownership for sensationalism, blatant advocacy, and conservative bias. In 1980, the Columbia Journalism Review stated that the "New York Post is no longer merely a journalistic problem. It is a social problem—a force for evil."^[60]

The Post has been accused of contorting its news coverage to suit Murdoch's business needs, in particular avoiding subjects which could be unflattering to the government of the People's Republic of China, where Murdoch has invested heavily in satellite television.^[61]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Post

 

 

[AUFAN78 3,893]

26 minutes ago, homersapien said:

OK fine,  Mr. "Weasel".

We'll just forget about Mr. Turley and roll back to my initial response:

 

So you got nothing. No refutation of data. Figures. 

Edited January 13, 2023 by AUFAN78

[homersapien 11,357]

17 minutes ago, AUFAN78 said:

So you got nothing. No refutation of data. Figures. 

What data? 

You can prove "gaslighting by the cynical liberal media"? 

Using the Washington Examiner ? 

You are way confused.  You're the one who made the claim, not me. 

 

Edited January 13, 2023 by homersapien

[AUFAN78 3,893]

7 minutes ago, homersapien said:

What data? 

You can prove "gaslighting by the liberal media"? 

Using the Washington Examiner ? 

You are way confused.  You're the one who made the claim, not me. 

 

You earned the label King Weasel for a reason. 

[DKW 86 7,419]

3 hours ago, homersapien said:

I don't waste my time reading s*** from garbage propaganda sources, especially within a post titled like this one.

Quote it.

You cited wikipedia, I would not throw stones at anyone else's citations.

You do know quoting wikipedia at AU would get you laughed out of every classroom on the campus right?

[DKW 86 7,419]

4 hours ago, homersapien said:

Ah yes.  New York Post.  Another Rupert Murdoch right wing tabloid.  

 

"The Post has been criticized since the beginning of Murdoch's ownership for sensationalism, blatant advocacy, and conservative bias. In 1980, the Columbia Journalism Review stated that the "New York Post is no longer merely a journalistic problem. It is a social problem—a force for evil."^[60]

The Post has been accused of contorting its news coverage to suit Murdoch's business needs, in particular avoiding subjects which could be unflattering to the government of the People's Republic of China, where Murdoch has invested heavily in satellite television.^[61]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Post

And a quote FROM 41 YEARS AGO is relevant how exactly?

[CoffeeTiger 5,087]

Everybody and there mother knew that as soon as Republicans took over the House they'd spend all their time and energy launching investigations into anything and everything Joe and hunter Biden to feed their angry MAGA base.

 

NYpost just trying to hype it up. 

[I_M4_AU 7,786]

27 minutes ago, CoffeeTiger said:

Everybody and there mother knew that as soon as Republicans took over the House they'd spend all their time and energy launching investigations into anything and everything Joe and hunter Biden to feed their angry MAGA base.

 

NYpost just trying to hype it up. 

So you believe Joe when he says he takes classified and top secret documents seriously?

In another NYPost article Hunter is knee deep in this and, therefore, will be investigated by the special counsel.  This opens the door for the GOP to get into his background.  But this can’t be right as it was reported by the NYPost, the same media outlet that correctly reported on the Hunter Biden laptop before the 2020 election.

WASHINGTON — Disgraced first son Hunter Biden lived off and on at the Delaware home where classified documents from Joe Biden’s time as vice president were found last month — giving him unrestricted access to America’s secrets both while hammering out shady foreign business deals and while under federal investigation.

The now-52-year-old began listing the Wilmington home as his address following his 2017 divorce from ex-wife Kathleen Buhle — even falsely claiming he owned the property on a July 2018 background check form as part of a rental application.

https://nypost.com/2023/01/13/hunter-biden-lived-at-delaware-home-where-classified-docs-were-kept/

I do believe this is a BOMBSHELL REPORT.  Soon the WALLS WILL BE CLOSING IN.  Enjoy this time in history.

[icanthearyou 4,462]

I sincerely hope the congress will investigate.  There are serious issues here that transcend partisan politics.

I hope they will use the same open process as the January 6th committee.

Even if no laws have been broken, the entire practice of foreign interests influencing politicians is inexcusable, intolerable. 

I understand Joe's support for his son personally but,,, as President, Biden's job is to put the country ahead of family. 

This is being investigated by the DOJ but,,, congress must investigate, must be transparent, must make the effort to be more principled than political.

[homersapien 11,357]

On 1/12/2023 at 9:47 PM, DKW 86 said:

You cited wikipedia, I would not throw stones at anyone else's citations.

You do know quoting wikipedia at AU would get you laughed out of every classroom on the campus right?

I strongly disagree.  And I am not alone.

It's a great source for the most part and a good place to start.  It's typically well referenced, at least in the scientific field. Just follow the reference notes.  (And it helps to already know a little about the subject or already have experience doing research.)

And yes, I understand that wikipedia itself is not something to quote in an academic paper, but the whole point of wikileaks is to present reviews of the original papers cited there.  In other words, it serves the same purpose as a literature review.

https://edtechmagazine.com/higher/article/2017/12/wikipedia-trustworthy-academic-resource-scientists-think-so

Edited January 17, 2023 by homersapien

[Son of A Tiger 558]

1 hour ago, CoffeeTiger said:

Everybody and there mother knew that as soon as Republicans took over the House they'd spend all their time and energy launching investigations into anything and everything Joe and hunter Biden to feed their angry MAGA base.

 

NYpost just trying to hype it up. 

Wow you seem to have forgotten what the Dems  first actions were against Trump. They couldn't even wait for his inauguration to start impeachment proceedings.

[AU9377 4,922]

48 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

So you believe Joe when he says he takes classified and top secret documents seriously?

In another NYPost article Hunter is knee deep in this and, therefore, will be investigated by the special counsel.  This opens the door for the GOP to get into his background.  But this can’t be right as it was reported by the NYPost, the same media outlet that correctly reported on the Hunter Biden laptop before the 2020 election.

WASHINGTON — Disgraced first son Hunter Biden lived off and on at the Delaware home where classified documents from Joe Biden’s time as vice president were found last month — giving him unrestricted access to America’s secrets both while hammering out shady foreign business deals and while under federal investigation.

The now-52-year-old began listing the Wilmington home as his address following his 2017 divorce from ex-wife Kathleen Buhle — even falsely claiming he owned the property on a July 2018 background check form as part of a rental application.

https://nypost.com/2023/01/13/hunter-biden-lived-at-delaware-home-where-classified-docs-were-kept/

I do believe this is a BOMBSHELL REPORT.  Soon the WALLS WILL BE CLOSING IN.  Enjoy this time in history.

Why not investigate Trump's kids?  The Democrats didn't go that route , even though there is plenty there. Don Jr. is clearly strung out on something, Jared's family is knee deep in questionable real estate transactions and the list goes on and on.  To go after the children, even the adult children, is nothing more than theater.

[homersapien 11,357]

42 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

So you believe Joe when he says he takes classified and top secret documents seriously?

In another NYPost article Hunter is knee deep in this and, therefore, will be investigated by the special counsel.  This opens the door for the GOP to get into his background.  But this can’t be right as it was reported by the NYPost, the same media outlet that correctly reported on the Hunter Biden laptop before the 2020 election.

WASHINGTON — Disgraced first son Hunter Biden lived off and on at the Delaware home where classified documents from Joe Biden’s time as vice president were found last month — giving him unrestricted access to America’s secrets both while hammering out shady foreign business deals and while under federal investigation.

The now-52-year-old began listing the Wilmington home as his address following his 2017 divorce from ex-wife Kathleen Buhle — even falsely claiming he owned the property on a July 2018 background check form as part of a rental application.

https://nypost.com/2023/01/13/hunter-biden-lived-at-delaware-home-where-classified-docs-were-kept/

I do believe this is a BOMBSHELL REPORT.  Soon the WALLS WILL BE CLOSING IN.  Enjoy this time in history.

 

(emphasis mine)

Biden, Trump and classified documents: An explainer

Analysis by Glenn Kessler  The Fact Checker

The announcement that classified documents were found at President Biden’s office at the Penn Biden Center for Diplomacy and Global Engagement — and then more material at his Wilmington, Del., residence — raised instant comparisons with the Justice Department’s investigation of former president Donald Trump’s retaining of hundreds of classified documents at his Mar-a-Lago home in Florida.

Attorney General Merrick Garland on Jan. 12 named Robert K. Hur, a former U.S. attorney in Maryland, as special counsel, after U.S. Attorney John R. Lausch Jr. of Chicago conducted an initial review. The first batch was discovered in early November, a White House statement said, shortly before Garland named a special counsel to oversee the criminal investigation of Trump’s actions.

Here’s a brief explainer to help readers evaluate the significance of the discovery. This article will be updated further as more information becomes available.

What was found?

A White House statement first said that “a small number of documents with classified markings” — said to be about 10 — were discovered on Nov. 2 by the president’s personal attorneys while vacating office space used by Biden from mid-2017, shortly after his vice presidency ended, to early 2020. They were found in files in a locked closet. The statement said the White House counsel’s office notified the National Archives that same day. The Archives took possession of the documents the following morning.

Then Biden’s lawyers conducted a search of Biden’s Delaware residences in Wilmington and Rehoboth Beach. The White House said on Jan. 12 that a “small number” of additional documents with classified markings were found in the garage of the Wilmington residence; one page was found “among stored materials in an adjacent room.” No documents were found in Rehoboth Beach. All were turned over to the Justice Department, the White House said. Garland said the documents were found in the garage on Dec. 20 and the additional page was discovered on Jan. 12.

What does ‘classified markings’ mean?

The documents had clearly visible stamps or cover material showing that they are considered sensitive. Anyone looking at a document would immediately know it must be handled carefully. In general, classified information needs to be housed in what is known as a sensitive compartmented information facility (SCIF), which has appropriate controls to ensure security. A locked closet in an office building — or a locked garage — would not qualify as a SCIF.

As secretary of state, Hillary Clinton used a private email server, and emails, too, can have classified markings, but despite the controversy over her handling of the materials, it was ultimately determined that none of her emails had been marked classified.

Are there different kinds of classification?

Yes. There are big differences in classification, as outlined in an executive order signed by President Barack Obama in 2009. There is also a well-acknowledged problem of overclassification in the U.S. government. In 2010, Congress even passed a law, the Reducing Over-Classification Act, but did not offer a definition of overclassification.

The lowest level is “confidential” — information that if disclosed could be expected to cause “damage to the national security.”

The next level is “secret,” which could cause “serious damage” to national security. The Code of Federal Regulations, which says the designation should be used sparingly, offers examples: “disruption of foreign relations significantly affecting the national security; significant impairment of a program or policy directly related to the national security; revelation of significant military plans or intelligence operations; and compromise of significant scientific or technological developments relating to national security.”

The highest level is “top secret,” which would be expected to cause “exceptionally grave damage” to national security. This information is supposed to receive the highest degree of protection. Examples in the federal code include: “disruption of foreign relations vitally affecting the national security; the compromise of vital national defense plans or complex cryptologic and communications intelligence systems; the revelation of sensitive intelligence operations.” In 2017, for instance, intelligence contractor Reality Winner leaked a “top secret” report on Russia hacking to the Intercept, earning a five-year sentence after pleading guilty.

Even rarer are Special Access Program (SAP) materials. Access to these can be restricted to those who “need to know,” and controls are even more stringent than those for “top secret” information; it generally requires multiple clearances to see this highly sensitive material.

What level of classification did the Biden papers have?

We do not yet know. CNN has reported the documents found at the Penn Biden Center included intelligence memos and briefing materials, dated between 2013 and 2016, that covered topics including Ukraine, Iran and Britain. The memos were contained in boxes that also contained unclassified papers that fall under the Presidential Records Act and should have been in possession of the Archives. CNN said the office mostly contained personal Biden family documents, but it was not clear whether the boxes with classified materials contained personal materials.

There’s been no description of the documents found at the Wilmington residence.

Do classified documents often show up in someone’s possession improperly?

It happens all the time, according to Mark S. Zaid, a lawyer who defends people who have committed security violations. People retire or leave a job, they pack up boxes — and then sometimes years later they discover they accidentally stored a classified document in their garage or attic.

What happens next depends on how the person deals with the discovery.

In the vast majority of cases, Zaid said, the matter is handled administratively — security clearance is suspended, for example — especially if the incident was quickly reported, investigators determine no one else saw the documents and the amount of material was not massive. He said “hoarders” — people without authorization who take a lot of classified documents — are the ones who get in trouble.

For instance, former FBI analyst Kendra Kingsbury pleaded guilty in October to taking home more than 300 files or documents, classified at the secret level, related to al-Qaeda.

Intentional removal of documents is especially serious. During the investigation of 9/11, Sandy Berger, President Bill Clinton’s national security adviser, was discovered to have secretly removed classified “code word” documents from the Archives and destroyed some of them. He also lied about what he had done. In 2005, he agreed to plead guilty to removing classified material without authorization, a misdemeanor.

Former attorney general Alberto Gonzales, who served from 2005 to 2007, in 2008 was found to have mishandled highly classified information on sensitive terrorism programs, such as bringing notes home and then leaving documents in an unsecure safe outside his office. But he was not prosecuted, as there was no evidence the classified evidence had been shared.

Why were Biden’s personal lawyers packing up his Penn Biden Center office?

That is unclear.

How did Biden respond to the discovery?

Once the documents were discovered, Archives officials were notified and the documents immediately turned over, according to the White House. Speaking to reporters during a trip to Mexico, Biden said on Jan. 10 he “was surprised to learn that there were any government records that were taken there to that office.” He said his lawyers had not described the documents to him.

After the discovery of the second tranche of documents, Biden told reporters, “My Corvette’s in a locked garage, okay? So it’s not like it’s sitting out in the street.” He said that “the Department of Justice was immediately notified and the lawyers arranged for the Department of Justice to take possession of the document.”

Is that different from Trump?

In the Trump case, the Archives initially contacted the former president in May 2021 about missing documents. Trump resisted returning them. Then, when some boxes were returned a year ago, Archives officials discovered documents clearly marked classified, some at the SAP level. The classified documents were intermingled with printouts of news articles, mementos and other items. That triggered an investigation of possible mishandling of classified information.

The FBI, in seeking a warrant to search Mar-a-Lago for more documents, said the boxes contained 184 documents with classification markings: 67 marked confidential, 92 marked secret and 25 documents marked top secret.

In August, when the FBI searched Mar-a-Lago, they seized more than 100 additional documents marked classified, from the confidential level to top secret. While most were found in a storage room, some were found in desk drawers in Trump’s office, mixed with post-presidential communications with a religious leader, a book author and a pollster, among others.

Zaid said that if Trump had returned all the missing documents when the Archives first requested them, that would have been the end of the matter. It became a criminal matter “only because Trump and his lawyers delayed at first and then obstructed,” he said.

Prosecutors have asked a judge to hold Trump’s representatives in contempt for not fully complying with the subpoena, according to the New York Times.

Did the White House delay the announcement because of the midterm election?

Republicans have suggested an intentional delay — “Classified documents were found at Joe Biden’s think tank before the midterms. Why are we just finding out now?” tweeted Rep. Jim Banks (R-Ind.) — but so far, there is no evidence of that.

The initial stages of a documents investigation by the Justice Department often are not public. In the Trump case, the Archives first requested Trump turn over missing documents in May 2021. The investigation did not become public until the Archives announced nine months later that it had obtained 15 boxes from Trump.

The Biden investigation became public after about two months, when CBS News first reported it.

“This is an ongoing process under review by DOJ, so we are going to be limited in what we can say at this time,” White House spokesman Ian Sams said in response to a question about the timing. “But we are committed to doing this the right way, and we will provide further details when and as appropriate.”

Will the FBI search Biden’s properties?

If prosecutors can show probable cause that additional classified documents may be stored at Biden’s home or other properties, they can obtain a search warrant from a judge. In Trump’s case, prosecutors developed evidence that the former president had not complied with a grand jury subpoena seeking return of all classified documents.

One key question for the special counsel will be to understand how classified documents from Biden’s vice-presidential office ended up at Penn Biden and at the president’s home. How were the boxes packed, for example, and who was responsible for arranging the transfer? He will also seek to learn who might have had access to the boxes at either location. NBC News reported that multiple former Biden aides involved in the document transfer have already been interviewed by investigators.

Did Biden as vice president have classification authority?

Yes. Under Obama’s executive order, the vice president has original classification authority. Trump has claimed that he declassified the documents he kept. Biden, while vice president, had the right to declassify material if he had classified the material in the first place. But properly declassified materials would be marked as such.

At this stage, the classification status of the documents is somewhat beside the point in the Trump investigation. The Justice Department has publicly cited three criminal statutes that might apply — and none require that the documents be classified to prosecute.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/01/11/biden-trump-classified-documents-an-explainer/

[homersapien 11,357]

5 minutes ago, Son of A Tiger said:

Wow you seem to have forgotten what the Dems  first actions were against Trump. They couldn't even wait for his inauguration to start impeachment proceedings.

It's not like they didn't have reasons for that. 

Trump created the causes of his impeachments, not Democrats.

[homersapien 11,357]

15 hours ago, DKW 86 said:

And a quote FROM 41 YEARS AGO is relevant how exactly?

I was addressing the quality of the source, which is a "tabloid" not a paper of record. 

It was illustrative, not intended to be directly relevant (of course).  Sorry if you did not "get" that. 

 

Edited January 13, 2023 by homersapien

[I_M4_AU 7,786]

23 minutes ago, AU9377 said:

Why not investigate Trump's kids?  The Democrats didn't go that route , even though there is plenty there. Don Jr. is clearly strung out on something, Jared's family is knee deep in questionable real estate transactions and the list goes on and on.  To go after the children, even the adult children, is nothing more than theater.

Whataboutism at its best.  One word *laptop*.  You just can’t get around it.