AU vs Boise recruiting

[jpfudd5 0]

I know recruiting is not an exact science, but I think this says a lot about the talent disparity between an SEC and WAC team. We have gotten more 4 star guys in the past 5 years than the Broncs have gotten 3 star.

2006- 3     3*

        14    2*

2007- 7     3*

        22    2*

2008-  5     3*

         14    2*

2009-  11  3*

          10  2*

2010- 1   4*

         6   3*

         3   2*

Total: 1 4 star

         32 3 star

         63 2 star

2006- 1    5*

        14   4*

         7    3*

         3    2*

2007- 13  4*

         15  3*

         2    2*

2008- 1    5*

         4    4*

         16   3*

         7     2*

2009-  9     4*

         16    3*

          3     2*

2010- 3     5*

         13   4*

         13   3*

         3     2*

5 5 star

53 4 star

67 3 star

18 2 star

[aurules16 0]

It does say a lot.

Since generally higher starred players are faster, bigger, stronger etc.

It makes for a mismatch if the two teams were to play.

[ellitor 31,910]

If that were the case then Va. Tech, Oregon, Oregon St., and Oklahoma would have easily thumped Boise the past 4 years. It says more that there less difference between a 5*  and 3* prospects than there used to be. It also says there is more parody in college football than ever since the NCAA has limited scholarships to 80 per team and 25 per year. I really do not see a point in this topic since the virtually the only chance we have of playing Boise is if we do not win the SEC and get  an at large BCS bid. If TCU beats Utah this weekend they will have such a big lead over Boise in the computers that Boise will not be able to make up that ground in the human polls. It's a better bet AU sees TCU in Glendale and not Boise.

[Sidbowman 0]

It's a bit of a loaded topic and not really conclusive I believe until the two teams play each other. At which point, if Boise happens to beat us, then a lot more can be said about coaching than recruiting (or at least stars as it relates to recruiting and talent).

[auclong 0]

I know recruiting is not an exact science, but I think this says a lot about the talent disparity between an SEC and WAC team. We have gotten more 4 star guys in the past 5 years than the Broncs have gotten 3 star.

2006- 3     3*

        14    2*

2007- 7     3*

        22    2*

2008-  5     3*

         14    2*

2009-  11  3*

          10  2*

2010- 1   4*

         6   3*

         3   2*

Total: 1 4 star

         32 3 star

         63 2 star

2006- 1    5*

        14   4*

         7    3*

         3    2*

2007- 13  4*

         15  3*

         2    2*

2008- 1    5*

         4    4*

         16   3*

         7     2*

2009-  9     4*

         16    3*

          3     2*

2010- 3     5*

         13   4*

         13   3*

         3     2*

5 5 star

53 4 star

67 3 star

18 2 star

I don`t believe I have ever worried about who BSU recruited. I don`t think we have ever lost a recruit to them.

[TigerProwl24 0]

Just because Boise State recruits a lot of 3 and 2 stars, doesn't mean those recruits aren't any good. A lot of our best players over the years were ranked 3 or 2 stars coming out of high school.

Ronnie Brown-3 star

Ben Grubbs-3 star

Courtney Taylor-3 star

Will Herring-3 star

Antonio Coleman-3 star

Jerraud Powers-3 star

Zac Etheridge-3 star

Byron Isom-3 star

Nick Fairley-3 star

Darvin Adams-3 star

Eric Smith-3 star

Daren Bates-2 star

[Orange and Blue 17211345162833 0]

Boise State QB, Kellen Moore, was only a 3* out of high school. His offers were Boise, Eastern Washington and Idaho. Chris Peterson is a great coach. Just look at how he developed this kid. Moore can play anywhere and his stats are mind boggling ( 82 TDs and only 15 INTs for his career ) and he's only a Junior.

[AUSWEN 0]

Boise State QB, Kellen Moore, was only a 3* out of high school. His offers were Boise, Eastern Washington and Idaho. Chris Peterson is a great coach. Just look at how he developed this kid. Moore can play anywhere and his stats are mind boggling ( 82 TDs and only 15 INTs for his career ) and he's only a Junior.

Maybe I'm in the minority here but I have zero respect for any numbers that Boise puts up. Take Barret Trotter's stats from the LA Monroe game, stretch them over the whole game, then over the whole season, and I bet they would be right there with Moore's. Everyone looks good against crappy teams. I'm not saying he's a bad QB by any means, but in the SEC we probably have 4 or 5 better ones when put up against real competition. Just my opinion of course.

[Orange and Blue 17211345162833 0]

I'm not trying to defend the kid, but i looked back at his numbers in the big games, and his numbers in the two games vs Oregon, his numbers vs Oregon State, and his numbers vs Va Tech, were just as impressive as they were against anyone else.

[jcm81 2]

Boise State QB, Kellen Moore, was only a 3* out of high school. His offers were Boise, Eastern Washington and Idaho. Chris Peterson is a great coach. Just look at how he developed this kid. Moore can play anywhere and his stats are mind boggling ( 82 TDs and only 15 INTs for his career ) and he's only a Junior.

Moore was a 3 star on Rivals and a 4 star on Scout.  He has always had a lot of talent at QB, but it is hard for a QB who was realistically about 5'10" 170 lbs to rank highly.  He broke just about every passing record in the state of Washington, and some of them by his junior year on the way to the Gatorade player of the year as a senior.

[SuperNova 0]

2 points, Boise does a good job with making a good team with whatever players they have. They are great at making adjustments to fit the players. Second, this also might bring into question the whole rating (stars) for the players. There are average players in HS that become great in college because they are with a team that has the knowledge to push them thru to the next level. And there are 5 star players that fizzle out and never live up to the hype. Alot has to to with the match of player and school on many levels.

It would be interesting to see a before and after rankings for players leaving HS and then re-evaluated after college going into the NFL (if they make it into the NFL).

What I like about Auburn's team is that it is a team of individuals that mesh together to make a solid well coached team. AU players want to win for themselves, their teammates, coaches, their family, the crazy students, and for the University. Other schools players are more like machine parts that can interchange and the offense and defense will remain the same. Which appears to work if you have lots of talent but in the long run the team becomes static, players become unmotivated and no-one knows where things went wrong.

And lasty, War Damn Eagle!!!

[jpfudd5 0]

For those making points about stars not meaning everything, I agree with you. 5 stars do not always pan out (Raven Gray) and 2 stars can make good CFB players (Darren Bates) However, I am of the opinion that better athletes across the board generally equals better teams, and the last several NC's would back that up IMO. I also agree that Petersen is a great coach who develops his players wonderfully, but I do not think that great coaching can make up such a gap in talent. Also, I know we will probably not play Boise, I am just trying to paint a difference in the talent level of a team from the SEC and the overhyped media machine that is Boise State.

[pram92 0]

boise gets some of the best players out west, no doubt.

[PA Tiger 0]

Ill just come out and say it. Kellen Moore is NOT a good quarterback. I watched the LA Tech game and saw him repeatedly miss wide open receivers. These guys were not even covered and he missed them. He also cannot thrown on the run into any type of coverage. If anybody puts pressure on this guy he will fold like a wet blanket. Additionally his arm strength is sub-par at best. He cannot throw a five yard out pass without it looking like a rainbow. If you watched that game you understand what i mean. Another point on Boise. They are not that good. They gimmick the crap out of every team they play... even LA Tech. You could see that the speed of LA Tech's SEC castoffs on defense was too much for Boise to handle at times, especially on the D-line. If we played Boise and could limit their shenanigans to a minimum we win by at least 14. You heard it here first.

[Rabern57 0]

Boise's players look on par with big teams only because they have basically about 3 or 4 off weeks before each big game. They play teams every week that the big conference schools play only 2 or 3 times a year as "off" weeks. You take their talent and put them playing a SEC schedule and about week 3 they will start falling off and look average at best. I think it will be clear when the conferences realign and Boise has to start out playing with their players for a few years against big schools every week.

[Chaotic_zx 706]

Both Oregon and Auburn match up better against BSU. The star difference correlates in size and speed of the players. A player might have the size but is slower than his counterparts or might have the speed but is slightly smaller.

[ellitor 31,910]

Both Oregon and Auburn match up better against BSU. The star difference correlates in size and speed of the players. A player might have the size but is slower than his counterparts or might have the speed but is slightly smaller.

It did not have that affect when they beat Oklahoma in the fiesta bowl a few years ago.

[Chaotic_zx 706]

Both Oregon and Auburn match up better against BSU. The star difference correlates in size and speed of the players. A player might have the size but is slower than his counterparts or might have the speed but is slightly smaller.

It did not have that affect when they beat Oklahoma in the fiesta bowl a few years ago.

It did when they played Georgia in 05. Your missing my point. There are other things to measure besides size and speed. Determination and preparedness are two others. I'm simply pointing out the difference in a 2* recruit and a 5* recruit. Injuries and size of school  may also play a factor.

I in no way implied that I thought AU was better than the other two teams. I simply stated that I feel like AU matches up well against them. My logic centers around the facts that Auburn has a physical offensive line with help from WRs blocking well. Couple that with small defenses from Oregon and BSU and it creates a good match up. Those defenses are talented and athletic. That means to me that AU would need to run the ball more north and south(more Dyer and Cam with less OMac). This just happens to be something AU has done well. Oregon has a great offense. The best way to defend them is to keep the ball away from them. That's what I expect Auburn would do.

Rules to follow:

* If your opponent is bigger, use your speed.

* If your opponent is faster, use your size.

* If your opponent is bigger and faster, use mis-direction.

* If your opponent is bigger, faster, and smarter, Pray.

[AUoutsider 0]

You must take into account that recruits out of Boise's recruiting base are largely neglected by the recruiting services.  I'd bet that there are an inordinate number of "diamonds in the rough" from that region since the recruiting services don't look very hard over there.  They apply most of their resources to the popular regions like California, Texas, and the Southeast.  Boise is probably feasting on under-rated recruits.

[ellitor 31,910]

You must take into account that recruits out of Boise's recruiting base are largely neglected by the recruiting services.  I'd bet that there are an inordinate number of "diamonds in the rough" from that region since the recruiting services don't look very hard over there.  They apply most of their resources to the popular regions like California, Texas, and the Southeast.  Boise is probably feasting on under-rated recruits.

Interesting and very good point.

[DyeCampAlum 335]

We're talking about this Boise team, which is the best they've ever had.  And they look damn good to me.  We shouldn't be talking about some ancient game against Georgia to evaluate them -- unless you want to talk about our LSU and Arkansas games last year too. 

[Rabern57 0]

Recruit and talent wise, Boise's players are sub-par with even Vandy. They are better than the players on the other teams in their conference but they never play anyone good. When you have 12 weeks of "scrimmage" games it is easy to play with a big school who has taken a beating all season and wore out. I can not wait for conference realignment because Boise's little "dynasty" will be no more, unless they go to Conference USA.

[kevon67 2,368]

Boise State's 2010 schedule looks alot like our homecoming schedule the past 20years. They do not deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as any team in the SEC. Va Tech looses to James Madison and the media continues to try and make them(VA TECH) a powerhouse just to benefit Boise St.

I am confused Are they on the bandwagon for Boise St. because they know if Auburn wins out and Oregon wins out, Boise doesnt stand a chance. I just dont get it.

Boise's schedule is just way too weak!!

[DyeCampAlum 335]

Guys, I think that's wishful thinking.  Was VaTech "worn out" when they played Boise?  They sure didn't overlook them.  Yeah, VaTech lost to JMU, but they're undefeated in the ACC.  That's not saying much, but it's sure as heck saying something.  Was Oregon State worn out in game 3? 

I went to Vandy for grad school; I love Vandy.  Boise would mop the floor with Vandy.

Being confident in Auburn does not require downing Boise.

[Rabern57 0]

VT and OS are Garbage. The ACC is garbage this year and UAB would be undefeated in there. Any school can beat better teams any week and it happens alot. If VT and JMU played 100 more times VT would win them all. But comparing Boise State to OR or AU is like comparing Southern Miss to Miss State. They play in a weak league with a weak schedule and no matter how much people want to pretend that they are great they have nothing to back it up with. They don't have a single win to boast. If someone wants to think Boise is better than Auburn and Oregon or that their players can play with them week in and week out then them let them think it. They won't be the first person to be wrong. Put them against a real power team and watch their players look average. Boise is basically a mid pack PAC 10 type team.