keihl frazier- can he actually do it in 2012?

[ArmchairAthlete7 21]

We have had a new starter at qb every year it seems for the past 5 or 6 seasons.  I must say I'm somewhat nervous about the position this year. He looked great in spring but that's just spring.  With all of the young talent around him, does he get it done this year? What about the intangibles like leadership? Any opinions?

[ellitor 33,764]

We have had a new starter at qb every year it seems for the past 5 or 6 seasons.  I must say I'm somewhat nervous about the position this year. He looked great in spring but that's just spring.  With all of the young talent around him, does he get it done this year? What about the intangibles like leadership? Any opinions?

The kid is definitely a leader. What is your definition of getting it done?

[ArmchairAthlete7 21]

I'm neither a sunshine pumper nor a doomsday prepper. I'm a realist.  And I realistically believe that to compete and win at a high level in this conference, you have to 1. Be ungodly talented or 2. experienced.  I think he's good, but I'm worried about an LSU defensive tackle knocking him to the ground for the first time. What happens then?  To answer your question, getting it done would be 8 or 9 wins with a respectable bowl bid.  And I also want to beat some of the teams that beat us last year.

[Rednilla 5,447]

As I've pointed out several times, last year was the first of his entire football career in which his team did not win the highest championship they could. He was state championship game MVP for three straight years in high school. The kid is oozing with leadership potential, and reports out of camp indicate that he is fully grasping that potential. He was the USA Today High School Player of the Year, so he's athletic. Ergo, he is fully capable of taking the college football world by storm.

Personally, I'm split on it. On the one hand, he could have a fairly typical year for a starting QB, struggling but gaining valuable experience. If that happens, we'll probably end up somewhere around 8-4. On the other hand, getting the game experience last year will be, by my estimate, invaluable, and is going to allow him to make the jump from situational one read passing and running to full time starter about as seamlessly as one can.

[ArmchairAthlete7 21]

I agree that his playing time last year was good for him. But I also wish he could have thrown more.  Especially in the LSU, Georgia, and Bama games.  When we're down that much, that late, I would just rather see him sling it all over the place and gain experience throwing.  It seemed like every time he was in, it was a run play.  Positive side to that is, he got hit alot and maybe he won't be so rattled when he gets hit this year.

[auburn43 0]

I honestly think he doesn't start the first game and if CM starts messing it up and doesn't manage to get the job done in the first or second quarter then they r gunna throw KF in there and he'll start for the rest of the season.

[Tiger n Miami AU83 25]

It is not really any intangibles that will or won't mean success for KF this coming year. It is all about the offensive line. We all know we have the skill players. The question is the oline and KF will rise or fall with it.

Take the gumps for example. AJ is not much of a qb as far as making a difference in winning and losing by making plays himself. Last year he gave the ball to TR and when teams stacked the box, he was an effective passer hitting the TE and in a short controlled passing game for the most part. Same thing with Jordan Jefferson and LSU. Both those teams went 13-1 with subpar QBs and it was all due to OUTSTANDING, DOMINANT offensive lines.

That will tell the tale next year for us as well. Last year, our line was abysmal. This year we shall see what happens.

[auburnphan 6,050]

Frazier has the intangibles to be an outstanding QB, he also has the athletic ability to be the best in the nation.   He has clearly succeeded under pressure in the past.  The one thing that none of us know is how well he can read defenses and adjust in game situations.  Luckily for us we have a new OC who happens to be one heckuva QB Coach.  With Frazier's dedication and CL's acumen all signs point to success, it is up to Frazier. to prove it on the field.  Personally I can't wait to see it happen and am confident that it will.  

[TheBlueVue 177]

You forgot one thing. Both LSU and Alabama had stifling defenses that are a young QBs best friend. Auburn will need a much improved defensive effort to win 9 games IMO

[Rednilla 5,447]

It is not really any intangibles that will or won't mean success for KF this coming year. It is all about the offensive line. We all know we have the skill players. The question is the oline and KF will rise or fall with it.

Take the gumps for example. AJ is not much of a qb as far as making a difference in winning and losing by making plays himself. Last year he gave the ball to TR and when teams stacked the box, he was an effective passer hitting the TE and in a short controlled passing game for the most part. Same thing with Jordan Jefferson and LSU. Both those teams went 13-1 with subpar QBs and it was all due to OUTSTANDING, DOMINANT offensive lines.

That will tell the tale next year for us as well. Last year, our line was abysmal. This year we shall see what happens.

I meant to make mention of offensive line play correlating to Kiehl's performance, but forgot; you're absolutely right. If he has time, he will flourish. If he doesn't, he'll struggle. That's pretty much the long and short of the story.

[Rednilla 5,447]

You forgot one thing. Both LSU and Alabama had stifling defenses that are a young QBs best friend. Auburn will need a much improved defensive effort to win 9 games IMO

I'm actually not concerned about the defense being much improved, because with 9 returning starters (ten if you include Holland, who started during the first half of the season), we have plenty of experience, and it's not as if those experienced players aren't talented. Add to that a much better defensive system and I feel like the sky is the limit with this bunch. If they don't finish the year in the top 20 nationally, I will likely be disappointed.

[ArmchairAthlete7 21]

You would think that CSL would surely help also.

[JMassie11 1,660]

His success depends on the o-line plain and simple.....if we had better blocking last season barrett trotter would have started every game and we would have won 2 more

[IronMan70 3,321]

I am not the least bit concerned with Kiehl Frazier's ability to "get the job done". His fundamentals, from a quick drop, to his set, looking off the secondary, reading a defense, an effortless throwing motion, a quick release, to delivering a pass with accuracy, are some of the best I have seen. You couple that with excellent mobility, enabling him to get out of trouble with his legs forcing defenses to play him honest, and you have the complete package.

The one area and quite frankly the only area I was the least bit concerned with before Spring practice began was in the area of leadership ability. Would Kiehl Frazier have the confidence to step up, take this job and become the leader the team needs ? That question has been answered for me because he has taken the bull by the horn and done all that. Enjoy the next 3 years folks, we got us a good one. Now Grimes needs to get that OL to match up.

[weegleweegle 0]

I honestly think he doesn't start the first game and if CM starts messing it up and doesn't manage to get the job done in the first or second quarter then they r gunna throw KF in there and he'll start for the rest of the season.

I honestly think you are wrong.....no knock on Clint though....he had a tough job last year.

War Eagle!!!

[oracle79 3,569]

We have had a new starter at qb every year it seems for the past 5 or 6 seasons.  I must say I'm somewhat nervous about the position this year. He looked great in spring but that's just spring.  With all of the young talent around him, does he get it done this year? What about the intangibles like leadership? Any opinions?

The kid is definitely a leader. What is your definition of getting it done?

I would say over 2000 yds passing with more than 15 TD's and less than 10 INT's and around 300-400 yds rushing with 5 or more TD's.  10 or more wins if we get that from him.  Extrapolate better or worse from there.

[TheBlueVue 177]

You forgot one thing. Both LSU and Alabama had stifling defenses that are a young QBs best friend. Auburn will need a much improved defensive effort to win 9 games IMO

I'm actually not concerned about the defense being much improved, because with 9 returning starters (ten if you include Holland, who started during the first half of the season), we have plenty of experience, and it's not as if those experienced players aren't talented. Add to that a much better defensive system and I feel like the sky is the limit with this bunch. If they don't finish the year in the top 20 nationally, I will likely be disappointed.

My post was not to infer anyone was worried about AUs defense in 2012. I was responding to the post making reference to AJ not being very good but was successful behind bamas Oline. Actually, Im of the opinion that bamas defense had more to do with AJs success as it relates to going 13 - 1 than bamas Oline did. When your defense gives up basically NOTHING, you tell me, how good do you really have to be on offense to win? A mediocre QB can lead a team to a BCS NC.

[auburn43 0]

I honestly think he doesn't start the first game and if CM starts messing it up and doesn't manage to get the job done in the first or second quarter then they r gunna throw KF in there and he'll start for the rest of the season.

I honestly think you are wrong.....no knock on Clint though....he had a tough job last year.

War Eagle!!!

Any QB would with the lack of blocking we had 

[auburnphan 6,050]

You forgot one thing. Both LSU and Alabama had stifling defenses that are a young QBs best friend. Auburn will need a much improved defensive effort to win 9 games IMO

I'm actually not concerned about the defense being much improved, because with 9 returning starters (ten if you include Holland, who started during the first half of the season), we have plenty of experience, and it's not as if those experienced players aren't talented. Add to that a much better defensive system and I feel like the sky is the limit with this bunch. If they don't finish the year in the top 20 nationally, I will likely be disappointed.

My post was not to infer anyone was worried about AUs defense in 2012. I was responding to the post making reference to AJ not being very good but was successful behind bamas Oline. Actually, Im of the opinion that bamas defense had more to do with AJs success as it relates to going 13 - 1 than bamas Oline did. When your defense gives up basically NOTHING, you tell me, how good do you really have to be on offense to win? A mediocre QB can lead a team to a BCS NC.

agreed, or a Super Bowl ala Trent Dilfer

[beagle34 72]

I'm neither a sunshine pumper nor a doomsday prepper. I'm a realist.  And I realistically believe that to compete and win at a high level in this conference, you have to 1. Be ungodly talented or 2. experienced.  I think he's good, but I'm worried about an LSU defensive tackle knocking him to the ground for the first time. What happens then?  To answer your question, getting it done would be 8 or 9 wins with a respectable bowl bid.  And I also want to beat some of the teams that beat us last year.

KF ran the ball against SEC defenses last season .He will get up and give the ref. the football after scoring the TD.

[BirdofPrey76 0]

I'm neither a sunshine pumper nor a doomsday prepper. I'm a realist.  And I realistically believe that to compete and win at a high level in this conference, you have to 1. Be ungodly talented or 2. experienced.  I think he's good, but I'm worried about an LSU defensive tackle knocking him to the ground for the first time. What happens then?  To answer your question, getting it done would be 8 or 9 wins with a respectable bowl bid.  And I also want to beat some of the teams that beat us last year.

I want to beat all of the teams that beat us last year!

[Warbird82 160]

I'm neither a sunshine pumper nor a doomsday prepper. I'm a realist.  And I realistically believe that to compete and win at a high level in this conference, you have to 1. Be ungodly talented or 2. experienced.  I think he's good, but I'm worried about an LSU defensive tackle knocking him to the ground for the first time. What happens then?  To answer your question, getting it done would be 8 or 9 wins with a respectable bowl bid.  And I also want to beat some of the teams that beat us last year.

KF ran the ball against SEC defenses last season .He will get up and give the ref. the football after scoring the TD.

^^^Word!^^^

[tbon986 1]

I am not the least bit concerned with Kiehl Frazier's ability to "get the job done". His fundamentals, from a quick drop, to his set, looking off the secondary, reading a defense, an effortless throwing motion, a quick release, to delivering a pass with accuracy, are some of the best I have seen. You couple that with excellent mobility, enabling him to get out of trouble with his legs forcing defenses to play him honest, and you have the complete package.

The one area and quite frankly the only area I was the least bit concerned with before Spring practice began was in the area of leadership ability. Would Kiehl Frazier have the confidence to step up, take this job and become the leader the team needs ? That question has been answered for me because he has taken the bull by the horn and done all that. Enjoy the next 3 years folks, we got us a good one. Now Grimes needs to get that OL to match up.

I agree TM90 and always listen to your post... KF is the next Au legend. Untill last year he had never played on a nonchampionship team.. WDKF

[DyeEraTiger 0]

KF has both the talent and leadership ability to be one of AU's best, imo. Having these two things don't  mean that he/we will achieve anything. It is up to KF and the o to make it happen.

[DyeEraTiger 0]

I honestly think he doesn't start the first game and if CM starts messing it up and doesn't manage to get the job done in the first or second quarter then they r gunna throw KF in there and he'll start for the rest of the season.

I can't see this happening. If you are right, a whole lot of people (I think the majority) will be wrong. And I believe that KF gives us the best chance to win. We will see!