norcuron 35 Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 and other "big boy" football from the mid majors. Never will happen. but say ol miss is last in the SEC let Boise give it a shot. I would like to see if they can field a team at the end of the year... (Will they scream "Giant killers" at the end of the year?) No, it would be" Half are dead the rest are wounded" "let us out!"" We said Big East!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walleyau22 0 Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 and other "big boy" football from the mid majors. Never will happen. but say ol miss is last in the SEC let Boise give it a shot. I would like to see if they can field a team at the end of the year... (Will they scream "Giant killers" at the end of the year?) No, it would be" Half are dead the rest are wounded" "let us out!"" We said Big East!" I don't think I'm following you just yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilstein211345162940 0 Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 it's like relegation in european professional soccer. every year or two the bottom teams are rotated down a division and the top teams from the lower division are moved up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellitor 33,679 Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 and other "big boy" football from the mid majors. Never will happen. but say ol miss is last in the SEC let Boise give it a shot. I would like to see if they can field a team at the end of the year... (Will they scream "Giant killers" at the end of the year?) No, it would be" Half are dead the rest are wounded" "let us out!"" We said Big East!" I don't think I'm following you just yet... He is proposing something like the English Premier Soccer league where the last place teams in the league get relegated in favor of the winners of the lower league. Although he is wrong about Boise. They handled the SEC East Champs in what was essentially a home game for Gawga. They would have won the East last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFightingSoldiers 699 Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 and other "big boy" football from the mid majors. Never will happen. but say ol miss is last in the SEC let Boise give it a shot. I would like to see if they can field a team at the end of the year... (Will they scream "Giant killers" at the end of the year?) No, it would be" Half are dead the rest are wounded" "let us out!"" We said Big East!" I don't think I'm following you just yet... He is proposing something like the English Premier Soccer league where the last place teams in the league get relegated in favor of the winners of the lower league. Although he is wrong about Boise. They handled the SEC East Champs in what was essentially a home game for Gawga. They would have won the East last season. Boise has never won a game they weren't favored in without it being the first game of the season or a bowl game. They can't do it without 3-4 weeks to prepare for that 1 team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellitor 33,679 Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 and other "big boy" football from the mid majors. Never will happen. but say ol miss is last in the SEC let Boise give it a shot. I would like to see if they can field a team at the end of the year... (Will they scream "Giant killers" at the end of the year?) No, it would be" Half are dead the rest are wounded" "let us out!"" We said Big East!" I don't think I'm following you just yet... He is proposing something like the English Premier Soccer league where the last place teams in the league get relegated in favor of the winners of the lower league. Although he is wrong about Boise. They handled the SEC East Champs in what was essentially a home game for Gawga. They would have won the East last season. Boise has never won a game they weren't favored in without it being the first game of the season or a bowl game. They can't do it without 3-4 weeks to prepare for that 1 team. In most years I agree but the SEC East was so weak last year that Boise would have won it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFightingSoldiers 699 Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 and other "big boy" football from the mid majors. Never will happen. but say ol miss is last in the SEC let Boise give it a shot. I would like to see if they can field a team at the end of the year... (Will they scream "Giant killers" at the end of the year?) No, it would be" Half are dead the rest are wounded" "let us out!"" We said Big East!" I don't think I'm following you just yet... He is proposing something like the English Premier Soccer league where the last place teams in the league get relegated in favor of the winners of the lower league. Although he is wrong about Boise. They handled the SEC East Champs in what was essentially a home game for Gawga. They would have won the East last season. Boise has never won a game they weren't favored in without it being the first game of the season or a bowl game. They can't do it without 3-4 weeks to prepare for that 1 team. In most years I agree but the SEC East was so weak last year that Boise would have won it. Oh if they were in the East... Probably . Only 2 teams would have had the chance to take them, unless Florida played a sound game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellitor 33,679 Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 and other "big boy" football from the mid majors. Never will happen. but say ol miss is last in the SEC let Boise give it a shot. I would like to see if they can field a team at the end of the year... (Will they scream "Giant killers" at the end of the year?) No, it would be" Half are dead the rest are wounded" "let us out!"" We said Big East!" I don't think I'm following you just yet... He is proposing something like the English Premier Soccer league where the last place teams in the league get relegated in favor of the winners of the lower league. Although he is wrong about Boise. They handled the SEC East Champs in what was essentially a home game for Gawga. They would have won the East last season. Boise has never won a game they weren't favored in without it being the first game of the season or a bowl game. They can't do it without 3-4 weeks to prepare for that 1 team. In most years I agree but the SEC East was so weak last year that Boise would have won it. Oh if they were in the East... Probably . Only 2 teams would have had the chance to take them, unless Florida played a sound game. Also in 2008 they won @ Oregon in week 3 37-32 as a 10 point dog. In 2006 they won @ Utah 35-3 in week 5 as a 5 point dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norcuron 35 Posted June 26, 2012 Author Share Posted June 26, 2012 My deal is let these mid majors who earn a shot get a chance to play in real football and let them play right on out. It would shut them up. Its an option that would give everyone a shot. I dont think they would fair well playin ol Miss"s SEC's schedule this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norcuron 35 Posted June 26, 2012 Author Share Posted June 26, 2012 and other "big boy" football from the mid majors. Never will happen. but say ol miss is last in the SEC let Boise give it a shot. I would like to see if they can field a team at the end of the year... (Will they scream "Giant killers" at the end of the year?) No, it would be" Half are dead the rest are wounded" "let us out!"" We said Big East!" I don't think I'm following you just yet... He is proposing something like the English Premier Soccer league where the last place teams in the league get relegated in favor of the winners of the lower league. Although he is wrong about Boise. They handled the SEC East Champs in what was essentially a home game for Gawga. They would have won the East last season. Boise has never won a game they weren't favored in without it being the first game of the season or a bowl game. They can't do it without 3-4 weeks to prepare for that 1 team. In most years I agree but the SEC East was so weak last year that Boise would have won it. Oh if they were in the East... Probably . Only 2 teams would have had the chance to take them, unless Florida played a sound game. Also in 2008 they won @ Oregon in week 3 37-32 as a 10 point dog. In 2006 they won @ Utah 35-3 in week 5 as a 5 point dog. I differ. I think if they played an season in the SEC they would be hurtin by Oct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weegle777 78 Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 it's like relegation in european professional soccer. every year or two the bottom teams are rotated down a division and the top teams from the lower division are moved up. That's all you had to say to lose me on this topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellitor 33,679 Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 and other "big boy" football from the mid majors. Never will happen. but say ol miss is last in the SEC let Boise give it a shot. I would like to see if they can field a team at the end of the year... (Will they scream "Giant killers" at the end of the year?) No, it would be" Half are dead the rest are wounded" "let us out!"" We said Big East!" I don't think I'm following you just yet... He is proposing something like the English Premier Soccer league where the last place teams in the league get relegated in favor of the winners of the lower league. Although he is wrong about Boise. They handled the SEC East Champs in what was essentially a home game for Gawga. They would have won the East last season. Boise has never won a game they weren't favored in without it being the first game of the season or a bowl game. They can't do it without 3-4 weeks to prepare for that 1 team. In most years I agree but the SEC East was so weak last year that Boise would have won it. Oh if they were in the East... Probably . Only 2 teams would have had the chance to take them, unless Florida played a sound game. Also in 2008 they won @ Oregon in week 3 37-32 as a 10 point dog. In 2006 they won @ Utah 35-3 in week 5 as a 5 point dog. I differ. I think if they played an season in the SEC they would be hurtin by Oct. In most years yes but the East was a lot different and down last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarEagle10 77 Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 So what would happen if say Auburn had a ton of injuries and had a horrible year where we finished last in the SEC? Would you want some directional school taking Auburn's place in the SEC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuburnNTexas 7,301 Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 The way it works is top 2 teams in lower league replace bottom two teams in upper league. Yes if Auburn had a really bad year (Bama also for that matter) they would move down to lower league. If you finish in top 2 of lower league you get promoted back up. The idea has some merit the issue is that some conferences that we consider top division really are not top division in football. If your confernece was assocaited with the SEC in most cases your team would come up for 1 year then go back down but if you were in a lower conference associated with Big 10 or PAC10 you might have a chance of staying up as they have some weak teams that are not as good as some of top Teams in lower conferences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigmaknights 0 Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 and other "big boy" football from the mid majors. Never will happen. but say ol miss is last in the SEC let Boise give it a shot. I would like to see if they can field a team at the end of the year... (Will they scream "Giant killers" at the end of the year?) No, it would be" Half are dead the rest are wounded" "let us out!"" We said Big East!" I don't think I'm following you just yet... He is proposing something like the English Premier Soccer league where the last place teams in the league get relegated in favor of the winners of the lower league. Although he is wrong about Boise. They handled the SEC East Champs in what was essentially a home game for Gawga. They would have won the East last season. Boise has never won a game they weren't favored in without it being the first game of the season or a bowl game. They can't do it without 3-4 weeks to prepare for that 1 team. You know that may be true. But what everybody seems to be overlooking, is that yes Boise St. has 3-4 weeks to prepare for that one game, but the team they play ALSO has 3-4 weeks to prepare for that ONE game. And they can not get it done. Georgia had just as much time to prepare for Boise for the opener as Boise did and Boise came to Georgia's home turf and smacked them in the mouth. Admit it or not, but Boise would do well in any conference. And given a few years would be a consistent elite team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rednilla 5,439 Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 I don't really like the idea of moving up and down in divisions, tbh. When first presented the idea, I liked it, but one of the biggest draws of college football is the rivalries, and those would likely be disrupted pretty regularly. As for Boise, I have a lot of respect for what they've done there, but to suggest that they would consistently be an elite team in the SEC is a reach IMO. The season opener against UGA was one where both teams had the same amount of time to prepare, but for one, Georgia was pretty obviously expecting to win that one (making it that much easier to get upset), and for another, UGA lost to South Carolina the following week, just a couple of weeks before Auburn beat USCe. Besides, Georgia had about as easy a schedule as I've ever seen in the SEC. They beat four teams with winning records, and those four teams combined for 22 losses. Yeah, they won the East, but they were still no better than fourth in the conference. Boise has a good football team, yes, and they would be an upper tier team in every conference except the SEC, and they'd probably be in the top half of the SEC year in and year out. But this is just an entirely different level, and they have not come close to convincing me that they are truly an elite program. They've been competing at the highest level of college football for a total of 16 years, and have been on the national stage for 6. Think we might need to let a little more time go by before we call them a powerhouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigmaknights 0 Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 Maybe I did not make clear what my point was in my post. My last sentence said that they would do well in our conference and given A FEW YEARS would become elite. Which means, if they joined the SEC this year I think they would do well but (like you said) probably be around the middle of the pack. Maybe 6th or 7th in the conference. But if you give them a few years to get adjusted to the speed of the SEC and everything then you could very well see Boise being a consistent contender for their division and for the title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellitor 33,679 Posted June 26, 2012 Share Posted June 26, 2012 Maybe I did not make clear what my point was in my post. My last sentence said that they would do well in our conference and given A FEW YEARS would become elite. Which means, if they joined the SEC this year I think they would do well but (like you said) probably be around the middle of the pack. Maybe 6th or 7th in the conference. But if you give them a few years to get adjusted to the speed of the SEC and everything then you could very well see Boise being a consistent contender for their division and for the title. You made that clear. I think Boise would be middle of the pack most years. In fact, I think last year is the lone exception in that I think they would win the East. Not that Boise is that good. The East was that mediocre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rednilla 5,439 Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 Maybe I did not make clear what my point was in my post. My last sentence said that they would do well in our conference and given A FEW YEARS would become elite. Which means, if they joined the SEC this year I think they would do well but (like you said) probably be around the middle of the pack. Maybe 6th or 7th in the conference. But if you give them a few years to get adjusted to the speed of the SEC and everything then you could very well see Boise being a consistent contender for their division and for the title. Oh, you made it clear. I just disagree. I don't think Boise would ever be a consistent contender for the division or the conference title. The best I could see them doing is about what Arkansas has been doing: they have good years, have even won a couple of division titles in the 20 years they've been part of the SEC, but they have yet to win the conference. And this is a program that does have a few SWC championships in its record books, so it's not like they came from nowhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellitor 33,679 Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 Maybe I did not make clear what my point was in my post. My last sentence said that they would do well in our conference and given A FEW YEARS would become elite. Which means, if they joined the SEC this year I think they would do well but (like you said) probably be around the middle of the pack. Maybe 6th or 7th in the conference. But if you give them a few years to get adjusted to the speed of the SEC and everything then you could very well see Boise being a consistent contender for their division and for the title. Oh, you made it clear. I just disagree. I don't think Boise would ever be a consistent contender for the division or the conference title. The best I could see them doing is about what Arkansas has been doing: they have good years, have even won a couple of division titles in the 20 years they've been part of the SEC, but they have yet to win the conference. And this is a program that does have a few SWC championships in its record books, so it's not like they came from nowhere. To be fair Arky would have won the East last year also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigmaknights 0 Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 Maybe I did not make clear what my point was in my post. My last sentence said that they would do well in our conference and given A FEW YEARS would become elite. Which means, if they joined the SEC this year I think they would do well but (like you said) probably be around the middle of the pack. Maybe 6th or 7th in the conference. But if you give them a few years to get adjusted to the speed of the SEC and everything then you could very well see Boise being a consistent contender for their division and for the title. Oh, you made it clear. I just disagree. I don't think Boise would ever be a consistent contender for the division or the conference title. The best I could see them doing is about what Arkansas has been doing: they have good years, have even won a couple of division titles in the 20 years they've been part of the SEC, but they have yet to win the conference. And this is a program that does have a few SWC championships in its record books, so it's not like they came from nowhere. I gotcha. I guess I am just one of the few SEC fans that actually likes Boise. Plus I love the underdog unless the underdog is playing Auburn of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rednilla 5,439 Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 Maybe I did not make clear what my point was in my post. My last sentence said that they would do well in our conference and given A FEW YEARS would become elite. Which means, if they joined the SEC this year I think they would do well but (like you said) probably be around the middle of the pack. Maybe 6th or 7th in the conference. But if you give them a few years to get adjusted to the speed of the SEC and everything then you could very well see Boise being a consistent contender for their division and for the title. Oh, you made it clear. I just disagree. I don't think Boise would ever be a consistent contender for the division or the conference title. The best I could see them doing is about what Arkansas has been doing: they have good years, have even won a couple of division titles in the 20 years they've been part of the SEC, but they have yet to win the conference. And this is a program that does have a few SWC championships in its record books, so it's not like they came from nowhere. I gotcha. I guess I am just one of the few SEC fans that actually likes Boise. Plus I love the underdog unless the underdog is playing Auburn of course. Oh, I generally like the underdog, but if Boise is the underdog (which, for most of their games, they aren't), then they are the most arrogant bunch of underdogs I've ever come across. I remember talking to a devout Boise fan who, when he discovered my allegiance to Auburn, got this condescending smirk on his face and started talking about why Boise belongs with the big dogs and blah blah blah. I couldn't say much because I was at work, but the attitude reminded me of bammers who have enough intelligence to appear clever until they meet someone who knows what they're talking about. And don't get me wrong, they've done a great job of building that program up; I just think they have a great deal more work to do before they earn the right to be considered a top program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Stripe 5 Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 I spent 5 1/2 years watching Boise play football. I was there when they jumped to D1. They have always had a solid program. The years before they made the Jump to D1 it was a given that they would win their conference, and did. When they made the jump I said that they would be good team one day. Well they are a good team, and it didn’t take them long. But they will never be SEC caliber. If they joined the SEC they would be playing tag with the bottom feeders for years to come. Yes they may win a few they shouldn't but they would never reach above middle of the pack. They just don't have the talent draw. It’s a small school in the middle of nowhere. They compete with the entire west half of the country for talent in that area. It would be very difficult to build that program up enough to compete regularly with the rest of the SEC. I feel that they would fold in to the PAC very well though. Maybe even win it after a few years of being there. Boise gets too much credit for being great when they really don’t play more than 1 or 2 tough games a year. After saying all of that, I actually like Boise. I enjoyed watching them for the years I was stationed in Mtn. Home AFB an hour south of Boise. And watching a game on the Smurf Turf at the horseshoe should be on everyone’s bucket list. It’s quite the experience, Very impressive for a small school. They do it right. But ESPN has given their fans the “Bammer head†since I was there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuburnNTexas 7,301 Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 Boise State beat Georgia fair and square in what was basically a home game for Georgia. They had a good team last year. One key thing that people have not mentioned is if they moved to the SEC could they handle the physicality week in and week out. Did they have enough depth to lose some players for a few games or even some for a season because of injuries. It is one thing to beat a decent Georgia team in first game of the season it is another to play 6 SEC teams. One reason they are good is they have a lot of confidence. Part of that confidence is because of easy wins against easy teams. How do you react when you lose a couple of games. Remember how well Georgia played against LSU in first half then the Phyicallity and depth of LSU wore them out and they were destroyed in the second half. How would Boise react to something like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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