247 updated rankings

[Guest EagleDamnWar]

http://247sports.com/Recruit/Top-247

Not sure if any movement on AU players.

Lawson= #18, 5 star

Liner= #33, 4 star

Bower= #116, 4 star

Johnson= #152, 4 star

Potential Commits:

M. Adams= #3, 5 star

Laquon Treadwell= #72, 4 star

Derrick Green= #123, 4 star

Jordan Wilkins= #145, 4 star

Tyson Dye= #160, 4 star

De'Asian Richards= #172, 4 star

Jason Smith= #222, 4 star

[Guest EagleDamnWar]

Free Article= http://247sports.com/Article/Class-of-2013-Top247-pre-July-update-79603

Here’s a look at some of the moves.

The first move of note was Oregon running back commit Thomas Tyner sliding out of five-star status.

“After continued review, we just don’t believe Tyner is a five-star back. We continue to really like his one cut, homerun speed, however,†Hamilton said.

Penn State tight end commit Adam Breneman dropped slightly after suffering a knee injury that will keep him sidelined this year.

“Breneman suffered a tough luck knee injury recently that will keep him out of his senior season. That coupled with the moves up by others led to his minor descent,†Hamilton said.

Athlete Ricky Seals-Jones moved into the top 30 nationally.

“While we don’t believe Seals-Jones will play wide receiver long term, there is no denying he is one of the top pound for pound prospects in the class. His athleticism, versatility and physicality are among the best in the class,†Hamilton said.

Defensive tackle Eddie Vanderdoes moves on the cusp of five-star status.

“Quickness is an extremely important attribute when you are talking about a 310-pound defensive tackle and at the Eugene Nike Camp, Vanderdoes showed just that. Outside of Montravius Adams, there may not be a quicker defensive tackle off the ball in this class,†Shurburtt said.

Ohio State quarterback commit JT Barrett dropped slightly, but it was more of a case of others moving ahead.

“Barrett moved down slightly, but his move is more of the continued climb of Christian Hackenberg at the quarterback position, and the rise of others. Barrett remains out top dual-threat signal caller in the class,†Hamilton said.

Penn State quarterback commit Christian Hackenberg moved on the cusp of five-star status after an outstanding showing at the Las Vegas Elite 11, which reinforced the notion that he’s one of the top signal callers in a class that is fairly deep at that position.

“Hackenberg continues to ascend in our minds, and may be the best pure talent of any pro-style quarterback in the class. The more we see of the future Penn State signal caller, the more we think he will climb,†Hamilton said.

Baylor receiver commit Robbie Rhodes continued his rise in the national rankings.

“The biggest mover in the state of Texas in recent months, Rhodes is one of the most explosive prospects in the country. The recent Baylor commitment not only has exceptional burst off the line of scrimmage, and vertical speed, but he has shown to be as competitive as any when the ball is in the air,â€

Notre Dame offensive tackle commit Hunter Bivin impressed scouts at the recent IFAF 19-U World Championships in Austin, Texas, and moved up toward the top 50 nationally.

“Bivin has been the best prospect in recent days in Austin at the USA football event. Bivin first caught our attention at a January combine, and only continues to ascend in our minds,†Hamilton said.

Taquan Mizzell vaults into the top 100 after several impressive camp showings.

“Mizzell was tough to tag at the recent NLA National Championships in Brooklyn, N.Y., and has impressed in every camp setting he’s been in,†Shurburtt said.

Florida receiver commit Rodney Adams is a player that we’ve always liked and his showing in Austin just reinforced that in our minds, so he moved into the Top247. If he were not committed to the Gators, several big-time programs that do not normally recruit the Sunshine State, have privately said that they would be “all over†Adams.

“Like Bivin, Adams has been a team USA standout in recent days featuring a fluidity and ability to stick the foot in the ground and accelerate that has impressed,†Hamilton said.

LSU commit Tre’Davious White continued to ascend and is near the top 100 for the 2013 class. He stood out at the IMG National 7-on-7 in Bradenton, Fla., last week.

“White has been a big mover in recent months and continues after a very strong showing last weekend in Bradenton. A big corner with quick feet and turn and run speed, White is expected to continue his rise,†Hamilton said.

Other highlights

-A pair of Ohio State commits, running back Ezekiel Elliott and safety Jayme Thompson, both debut inside the Top247.

-Three prospects from California, linebacker Kevin Palma, Oregon receiver commit Darren Carrington and Ducks offensive guard commit Alex Redmond, all moved into the Top247.

-Wisconsin defensive end commit Chikwe Obasih made his debut in the Top247.

[aupops2 9]

http://247sports.com/Recruit/Top-247

Not sure if any movement on AU players.

Lawson= #18, 5 star

Liner= #33, 4 star

Bower= #116, 4 star

Johnson= #152, 4 star

Potential Commits:

M. Adams= #3, 5 star

Laquon Treadwell= #72, 4 star

Derrick Green= #123, 4 star

Jordan Wilkins= #145, 4 star

Tyson Dye= #160, 4 star

De'Asian Richards= #172, 4 star

Jason Smith= #222, 4 star

The active Auburn posters on 247 are blowing up BM and PM over this.  It is an absolute travesty!!  Shannon Terry needs to take those crimson glasses off and look at where his money has been coming from lately.  If you don't know, Auburnundercover is the third largest member site, and by far the fastest growing.  In this update, not only did our commits drop (the most notable being Dee Liner), but the excuse is that others have moved ahead.  So, by not losing any credibility, and doing well in the big camps, he drops 16 positions.  Also, just about every uat commit is ranked higher on 247 than any other site, and there are little hidden things such as just about all their remaining targets ( Matthew Thomas, Robert Foster, Derrick Henry, Alvin Kamara) are all ranked in the top 100, most top 25.  I feel for BM and PM for all the hard work, but I'd be on the phone with the boss and tell him how difficult he is making it for them.

[DyeEraTiger 0]

I am often skeptical of what any fan base perceives as media bias but these guys have definitely changed my opinion. Hard to figure.

[WarEagle10 77]

Isn't 247 owned by the gump who started Rivals?

[aualways82 0]

I wouldn't exactly call it an absolute travesty, it's a recruit ranking list that is very opinionated.  We all know Liner is a beast, regardless of what they rank him at.  Not sure where you saw he fell 16 spots though, the last ranking had him at #29.  But I agree, dude should be top 20 across the recruiting boards.  Regarding the Bammer prospects, Thomas, Foster, and Henry are all top 20 guys on every recruiting site, so you can't really fault 247 there.

I'm not sure why it matters where the money comes in from when it comes to ranking the recruits though.  That really should have nothing to do with ranking any of these guys.  They SHOULD have to explain their reasons for bumping/dropping any players though, and they often-times just give a lazy, terrible reason for those movements.

[DWWD34 0]

Isn't 247 owned by the gump who started Rivals?

Pretty sure this is correct. And ask any Updyke and they'll argue till they're blue in the face that 247 is the best, most unbiased site.

I mean this is just embarrassing for 247.

[DWWD34 0]

They SHOULD have to explain their reasons for bumping/dropping any players though, and they often-times just give a lazy, terrible reason for those movements.

This is the reason for the frustration. They don't have logical explanations.

Like you said, its opinionated, and anytime opinion makes a decision it's human nature to have some measure of bias.

[aupops2 9]

I wouldn't exactly call it an absolute travesty, it's a recruit ranking list that is very opinionated.  We all know Liner is a beast, regardless of what they rank him at.  Not sure where you saw he fell 16 spots though, the last ranking had him at #29.  But I agree, dude should be top 20 across the recruiting boards.  Regarding the Bammer prospects, Thomas, Foster, and Henry are all top 20 guys on every recruiting site, so you can't really fault 247 there.

I'm not sure why it matters where the money comes in from when it comes to ranking the recruits though.  That really should have nothing to do with ranking any of these guys.  They SHOULD have to explain their reasons for bumping/dropping any players though, and they often-times just give a lazy, terrible reason for those movements.

Liner is #33, was #17.  33-17= 16.   Just about all the leading prospects for uat, names mentioned, moved up.  As for money, that's how the site operates; without subscriptions, they don't make it.  Money talks in every avenue of life.  The "travesty" I refer to is the hard work our two AU writers put into that site, and then have to turn and defend this.  PM is having a very hard time doing this today.  

[aupops2 9]

Isn't 247 owned by the gump who started Rivals?

Pretty sure this is correct. And ask any Updyke and they'll argue till they're blue in the face that 247 is the best, most unbiased site.

I mean this is just embarrassing for 247.

The founder of 247 is Shannon Terry, hard-core self-admitting uat booster.  Formerly of Rivals, where his bias was obvious as well.  When he comes on Auburn undercover, his opening phrase is normally: " I come in peace."  He knows who and what he is, and doesn't try at all to hide it.  BTW, full disclosure, I am a member of 247, have only posted one time, and (like Playboy), I only subscribe for the articles!!

[Stripe 5]

so what your saying is that they have a limited number of slots for 5*, 4* etc. and that they don't actually give an honest grade for each recruit. This is why I don't follow any of the recruiting sites and their so called stars. It's all BS.

[ellitor 33,684]

so what your saying is that they have a limited number of slots for 5*, 4* etc. and that they don't actually give an honest grade for each recruit. This is why I don't follow any of the recruiting sites and their so called stars. It's all BS.

247 does not have a limited number of 5 stars but it rarely reaches in the 30s. Scout is the one with a limited number at it is too big at 50 by NSD.

[aualways82 0]

I wouldn't exactly call it an absolute travesty, it's a recruit ranking list that is very opinionated.  We all know Liner is a beast, regardless of what they rank him at.  Not sure where you saw he fell 16 spots though, the last ranking had him at #29.  But I agree, dude should be top 20 across the recruiting boards.  Regarding the Bammer prospects, Thomas, Foster, and Henry are all top 20 guys on every recruiting site, so you can't really fault 247 there.

I'm not sure why it matters where the money comes in from when it comes to ranking the recruits though.  That really should have nothing to do with ranking any of these guys.  They SHOULD have to explain their reasons for bumping/dropping any players though, and they often-times just give a lazy, terrible reason for those movements.

Liner is #33, was #17.  33-17= 16.   Just about all the leading prospects for uat, names mentioned, moved up.  As for money, that's how the site operates; without subscriptions, they don't make it.  Money talks in every avenue of life.  The "travesty" I refer to is the hard work our two AU writers put into that site, and then have to turn and defend this.  PM is having a very hard time doing this today.  

The last update had Liner at #29, but I guess you are referring to an older ranking.  And all those guys the Updykes are in on dropped a couple spots (maybe not Kamara, I didn't look him up).

For how much people on here complain about biased recruiting rankings, I'm surprised the desire to rank guys based on how much money the team sites bring in was even brought up  

[aualways82 0]

so what your saying is that they have a limited number of slots for 5*, 4* etc. and that they don't actually give an honest grade for each recruit. This is why I don't follow any of the recruiting sites and their so called stars. It's all BS.

247 does not have a limited number of 5 stars but it rarely reaches in the 30s. Scout is the one with a limited number at it is too big at 50 by NSD.

So many reason to dislike Scout rankings, one of which is that they typically rate about 50 Texas guys in the top 300.

[msg6367 1]

Well I can't view 247sports website at work because it's only accessible with the latest version of Internet Explorer....and apparently there are several issues with the version so my company won't upgrade to it.

So I'm offically going to boycott 247sports while at work. 

[aupops2 9]

I wouldn't exactly call it an absolute travesty, it's a recruit ranking list that is very opinionated.  We all know Liner is a beast, regardless of what they rank him at.  Not sure where you saw he fell 16 spots though, the last ranking had him at #29.  But I agree, dude should be top 20 across the recruiting boards.  Regarding the Bammer prospects, Thomas, Foster, and Henry are all top 20 guys on every recruiting site, so you can't really fault 247 there.

I'm not sure why it matters where the money comes in from when it comes to ranking the recruits though.  That really should have nothing to do with ranking any of these guys.  They SHOULD have to explain their reasons for bumping/dropping any players though, and they often-times just give a lazy, terrible reason for those movements.

Liner is #33, was #17.  33-17= 16.   Just about all the leading prospects for uat, names mentioned, moved up.  As for money, that's how the site operates; without subscriptions, they don't make it.  Money talks in every avenue of life.  The "travesty" I refer to is the hard work our two AU writers put into that site, and then have to turn and defend this.  PM is having a very hard time doing this today.  

The last update had Liner at #29, but I guess you are referring to an older ranking.  And all those guys the Updykes are in on dropped a couple spots (maybe not Kamara, I didn't look him up).

For how much people on here complain about biased recruiting rankings, I'm surprised the desire to rank guys based on how much money the team sites bring in was even brought up  

Sorry, this just isn't accurate.  If you subscribe to 247, read the lead story.  Not worth arguing anymore about it anyway.

[logan adams 333]

Rankings don't mean too much to me at the moment. We'll see how they do during their football season.

[aualways82 0]

I wouldn't exactly call it an absolute travesty, it's a recruit ranking list that is very opinionated.  We all know Liner is a beast, regardless of what they rank him at.  Not sure where you saw he fell 16 spots though, the last ranking had him at #29.  But I agree, dude should be top 20 across the recruiting boards.  Regarding the Bammer prospects, Thomas, Foster, and Henry are all top 20 guys on every recruiting site, so you can't really fault 247 there.

I'm not sure why it matters where the money comes in from when it comes to ranking the recruits though.  That really should have nothing to do with ranking any of these guys.  They SHOULD have to explain their reasons for bumping/dropping any players though, and they often-times just give a lazy, terrible reason for those movements.

Liner is #33, was #17.  33-17= 16.   Just about all the leading prospects for uat, names mentioned, moved up.  As for money, that's how the site operates; without subscriptions, they don't make it.  Money talks in every avenue of life.  The "travesty" I refer to is the hard work our two AU writers put into that site, and then have to turn and defend this.  PM is having a very hard time doing this today.  

The last update had Liner at #29, but I guess you are referring to an older ranking.  And all those guys the Updykes are in on dropped a couple spots (maybe not Kamara, I didn't look him up).

For how much people on here complain about biased recruiting rankings, I'm surprised the desire to rank guys based on how much money the team sites bring in was even brought up  

Sorry, this just isn't accurate.  If you subscribe to 247, read the lead story.  Not worth arguing anymore about it anyway.

Sorry, I don't subscribe to any of the recruiting sites so I'm not sure what article you are referencing.  But what isn't accurate about what I posted?  You can click on any recruit and view his timeline, which contains past recruit rankings.  Liner has indeed dropped from his first initial ranking (his initial ranking would have put him on par with the other recruiting sites actually).  But the other guys you listed (Foster, Henry, Thomas, and Kamara) have either dropped (not as much as Liner) or remained the same since their initial ranking.  I didn't know we were arguing, I thought we were having a discussion

[IronMan70 3,321]

I think we all agree that our own coaches' evaluations mean a whole lot more than any recruiting analyst doofus at one of those sites. But, having said that, the reality is that the recruits follow those sites too. So the reason it makes a difference is that it draws top recruits to a team that feel they will have the best players with them. Recruiting analysts are well aware of that fact.

Any recruiting sites/analysts that do have a bias, yes there are some, do it for that very reason. Therefore, for tactical reasons alone, it seems like a smart move when you see an obvious low ranking of an AU player to voice your opinion to the site/recruiter in a public forum so that recruits will see that. I notice KK has done that on several occasions on Twitter and I applaud him for that. I have done the same before. It doesn't take that much time.

[aupops2 9]

I wouldn't exactly call it an absolute travesty, it's a recruit ranking list that is very opinionated.  We all know Liner is a beast, regardless of what they rank him at.  Not sure where you saw he fell 16 spots though, the last ranking had him at #29.  But I agree, dude should be top 20 across the recruiting boards.  Regarding the Bammer prospects, Thomas, Foster, and Henry are all top 20 guys on every recruiting site, so you can't really fault 247 there.

I'm not sure why it matters where the money comes in from when it comes to ranking the recruits though.  That really should have nothing to do with ranking any of these guys.  They SHOULD have to explain their reasons for bumping/dropping any players though, and they often-times just give a lazy, terrible reason for those movements.

Liner is #33, was #17.  33-17= 16.   Just about all the leading prospects for uat, names mentioned, moved up.  As for money, that's how the site operates; without subscriptions, they don't make it.  Money talks in every avenue of life.  The "travesty" I refer to is the hard work our two AU writers put into that site, and then have to turn and defend this.  PM is having a very hard time doing this today.  

The last update had Liner at #29, but I guess you are referring to an older ranking.  And all those guys the Updykes are in on dropped a couple spots (maybe not Kamara, I didn't look him up).

For how much people on here complain about biased recruiting rankings, I'm surprised the desire to rank guys based on how much money the team sites bring in was even brought up  

Sorry, this just isn't accurate.  If you subscribe to 247, read the lead story.  Not worth arguing anymore about it anyway.

Sorry, I don't subscribe to any of the recruiting sites so I'm not sure what article you are referencing.  But what isn't accurate about what I posted?  You can click on any recruit and view his timeline, which contains past recruit rankings.  Liner has indeed dropped from his first initial ranking (his initial ranking would have put him on par with the other recruiting sites actually).  But the other guys you listed (Foster, Henry, Thomas, and Kamara) have either dropped (not as much as Liner) or remained the same since their initial ranking.  I didn't know we were arguing, I thought we were having a discussion

Oh, ok, now I see the problem.  You see, this thread is discussing the latest 247 rankings as the title suggests.  That's the source of my numbers and information.  Guess you didn't catch that.

[aualways82 0]

I wouldn't exactly call it an absolute travesty, it's a recruit ranking list that is very opinionated.  We all know Liner is a beast, regardless of what they rank him at.  Not sure where you saw he fell 16 spots though, the last ranking had him at #29.  But I agree, dude should be top 20 across the recruiting boards.  Regarding the Bammer prospects, Thomas, Foster, and Henry are all top 20 guys on every recruiting site, so you can't really fault 247 there.

I'm not sure why it matters where the money comes in from when it comes to ranking the recruits though.  That really should have nothing to do with ranking any of these guys.  They SHOULD have to explain their reasons for bumping/dropping any players though, and they often-times just give a lazy, terrible reason for those movements.

Liner is #33, was #17.  33-17= 16.   Just about all the leading prospects for uat, names mentioned, moved up.  As for money, that's how the site operates; without subscriptions, they don't make it.  Money talks in every avenue of life.  The "travesty" I refer to is the hard work our two AU writers put into that site, and then have to turn and defend this.  PM is having a very hard time doing this today.  

The last update had Liner at #29, but I guess you are referring to an older ranking.  And all those guys the Updykes are in on dropped a couple spots (maybe not Kamara, I didn't look him up).

For how much people on here complain about biased recruiting rankings, I'm surprised the desire to rank guys based on how much money the team sites bring in was even brought up  

Sorry, this just isn't accurate.  If you subscribe to 247, read the lead story.  Not worth arguing anymore about it anyway.

Sorry, I don't subscribe to any of the recruiting sites so I'm not sure what article you are referencing.  But what isn't accurate about what I posted?  You can click on any recruit and view his timeline, which contains past recruit rankings.  Liner has indeed dropped from his first initial ranking (his initial ranking would have put him on par with the other recruiting sites actually).  But the other guys you listed (Foster, Henry, Thomas, and Kamara) have either dropped (not as much as Liner) or remained the same since their initial ranking.  I didn't know we were arguing, I thought we were having a discussion

Oh, ok, now I see the problem.  You see, this thread is discussing the latest 247 rankings as the title suggests.  That's the source of my numbers and information.  Guess you didn't catch that.

Um, yeah, that is what we've been discussing this entire time.  When discussing current rankings, it helps to observe the previous release of the rankings to determine who has been bumped or dropped.  I've already stated this, but from the previous release Dee Liner was #29, now he is #33.  That is an insignificant change.  And the bama guys you brought up were all bumped down a couple insignificant spots as well.  I'm still trying to figure out what was inaccurate about what I posted.  Can you point it out for me?

[aupops2 9]

I wouldn't exactly call it an absolute travesty, it's a recruit ranking list that is very opinionated.  We all know Liner is a beast, regardless of what they rank him at.  Not sure where you saw he fell 16 spots though, the last ranking had him at #29.  But I agree, dude should be top 20 across the recruiting boards.  Regarding the Bammer prospects, Thomas, Foster, and Henry are all top 20 guys on every recruiting site, so you can't really fault 247 there.

I'm not sure why it matters where the money comes in from when it comes to ranking the recruits though.  That really should have nothing to do with ranking any of these guys.  They SHOULD have to explain their reasons for bumping/dropping any players though, and they often-times just give a lazy, terrible reason for those movements.

Liner is #33, was #17.  33-17= 16.   Just about all the leading prospects for uat, names mentioned, moved up.  As for money, that's how the site operates; without subscriptions, they don't make it.  Money talks in every avenue of life.  The "travesty" I refer to is the hard work our two AU writers put into that site, and then have to turn and defend this.  PM is having a very hard time doing this today.  

The last update had Liner at #29, but I guess you are referring to an older ranking.  And all those guys the Updykes are in on dropped a couple spots (maybe not Kamara, I didn't look him up).

For how much people on here complain about biased recruiting rankings, I'm surprised the desire to rank guys based on how much money the team sites bring in was even brought up  

Sorry, this just isn't accurate.  If you subscribe to 247, read the lead story.  Not worth arguing anymore about it anyway.

Sorry, I don't subscribe to any of the recruiting sites so I'm not sure what article you are referencing.  But what isn't accurate about what I posted?  You can click on any recruit and view his timeline, which contains past recruit rankings.  Liner has indeed dropped from his first initial ranking (his initial ranking would have put him on par with the other recruiting sites actually).  But the other guys you listed (Foster, Henry, Thomas, and Kamara) have either dropped (not as much as Liner) or remained the same since their initial ranking.  I didn't know we were arguing, I thought we were having a discussion

Oh, ok, now I see the problem.  You see, this thread is discussing the latest 247 rankings as the title suggests.  That's the source of my numbers and information.  Guess you didn't catch that.

Um, yeah, that is what we've been discussing this entire time.  When discussing current rankings, it helps to observe the previous release of the rankings to determine who has been bumped or dropped.  I've already stated this, but from the previous release Dee Liner was #29, now he is #33.  That is an insignificant change.  And the bama guys you brought up were all bumped down a couple insignificant spots as well.  I'm still trying to figure out what was inaccurate about what I posted.  Can you point it out for me?

No.  I give up!!!

[AUTigerBlood 0]

Hmmm I thought Liner was ranked 17th overall on 247, before the last update. Could of been on rivals or scout though. Butif Liner fell 16 spots that is total BS. War Eagle!

[AUTigerBlood 0]

Chris Lawson not being top 3 in every sites ranking is a T-R-A-V-E-S-T-Y!!!! What more does that kid hafta do?

[aupops2 9]

Hmmm I thought Liner was ranked 17th overall on 247, before the last update. Could of been on rivals or scout though. Butif Liner fell 16 spots that is total BS. War Eagle!

You are correct.