BIGtiger 0 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 This has been floating around in my brain for a while....While I believe our coaches are fantastic in all their efforts. I have wondered if part of the reasons why we have been able to attract better and better recruits each and every year in players and coaches, is in part do the dramatic stage set by Saban coming to bama He is so polarizing and successful, people want to go up against him. Not mention the success of the league in general that draws talent. I think the chance to beat saban has helped us get top asstants like trooper and Vangorder as well. And when you stop and think of all the increadable kids we have allready and the new ones coming in plus what the updikes have we are going to have some serious football in these parts for the next years to come and I am thrilled to wittness it. The stage is set. War Eagle guys and gals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
95tgr4life 0 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Careful BIG you sound like a bammer...Saban is so good he is also the reason AU is tecruiting well. That sounds like something the midget would would say. AU is recruiting well for one reason and one reason only...Chizic and team has done an AUsome job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillyeagle 169 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 How has Tennessee's recruiting been the past 5 years? Don't they play Bama every year? A desire to play in the SEC and go against/play with the best athletes in NCAA football definitely attracts recruits to us, but what sets us apart is our family atmosphere, beautiful environment, excellent coaching, and winning tradition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUenginerd 16 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Please don't repeat anything that would hint at being the reason for the success in recruiting of the current staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnphan 6,050 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 If any high school player joins a team to beat another coach from another team I will.....welll I don't know what I would do because it just doesn't happen. No coach from another team helps a team in recruiting because they want to beat him. That coach may prevent players from signing with him because he is a jerk who only cares about himself. But that just means they can't see themselves playing for him. Now if this is professional sports and the player was making millions of dollars and dislikes the manager and organization, I can see him signing with a rival out of spite because they have millions of dollars, but a high school kid who has dreams of making it to the NFL not so much. Too far of a reach on your part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazetiger 0 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 I don't think a player will go to a different school just to play them. It may be a player will want to go up against a school that didn't offer though. And I could see players going to a school to change things around and start their own legacy as opposed to going to a school that's already stacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DyeEraTiger 0 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 This has been floating around in my brain for a while....While I believe our coaches are fantastic in all their efforts. I have wondered if part of the reasons why we have been able to attract better and better recruits each and every year in players and coaches, is in part do the dramatic stage set by Saban coming to bama He is so polarizing and successful, people want to go up against him. Not mention the success of the league in general that draws talent. I think the chance to beat saban has helped us get top asstants like trooper and Vangorder as well. And when you stop and think of all the increadable kids we have allready and the new ones coming in plus what the updikes have we are going to have some serious football in these parts for the next years to come and I am thrilled to wittness it. The stage is set. War Eagle guys and gals I believe that there is definitely truth in this. Saban is definitely a large part of the reason that we have some of the best recruiting classes and best coaching staff in Auburn history. My reasoning is that he is a part of the reason (prob a big part) CGC was hired in the first place. AU powers saw what was happening, fortunately, and the CGC hire was a response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron_chin_chiz 0 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 and the media coverage that comes with him has maybe put the entire state of Alabama on the map a little more than it was previously. But that is about as far as I am willing to go in thinking the short one has positively affected our recruiting. I think that is a disservice to all the hard work our staff has put into recruiting and coming up with innovative ways to get recruits to visit Auburn and see why so many of us feel the way we do about it. And also, there are undoubtedly some bammers that troll this site. I imagine they feel pretty good about their sorry lives and head coach reading this thread. Let's not give them anything to feel good about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinman 305 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Cut it out please with the Saban worship! He gets too much credit for all things anyway and he sure as hell doesn't make our recruiters better than they were anyway. Trooper, Luper, Thigpen, and others were all great recruiters before they came to AU. That's one of the main reasons Chizik hired them, and he would have hired them if Shula were still at Bama. The success other teams have had running a NFL type program (not just Bama but LSU and others as well) made chizik change his style of play, thus hiring Van Gorder and Loeffler. Kids today all want to make it to the league in 3 years if possible, and with NFL ties that they have it is helping our recruiting, but Saban sure as hell isn't making our coaches better than they were anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velvet Beavis 15 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 I don't think a player will go to a different school just to play them. It may be a player will want to go up against a school that didn't offer though. And I could see players going to a school to change things around and start their own legacy as opposed to going to a school that's already stacked. Bo Jackson came to Auburn because "da bahr" told him if he went to Auburn, he would never know how it feels to win an Iron Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUenginerd 16 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 I believe that there is definitely truth in this. Saban is definitely a large part of the reason that we have some of the best recruiting classes and best coaching staff in Auburn history. My reasoning is that he is a part of the reason (prob a big part) CGC was hired in the first place. AU powers saw what was happening, fortunately, and the CGC hire was a response. "What was happeneing" was internal, and had nothing to do with who roamed the sidelines in Jordan Hare West. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellitor 33,694 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Definitely No Saban worship here but I have been saying something for years and believe it to be fact. I believe both Auburn and Bammer in being two of the top 7 winningest teams of all time, are where they are in part because of each other. I believe both teams push each other to be the best and always try to one up each other to be the best. That is why IMO this is the greatest rivalry in all of sports. With the new playoff format in place I believe it is building to playoff games between the 2 teams and maybe a national title game between them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger n Miami AU83 25 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 I said this back in 2007, I wondered if I was wrong a couple of years ago, and now am back to thinking maybe I was right. Still have to wait and see, but I made the following observations about Saban from watching his career from his time at LSU and The Dolphins and paying attention to what was said about him when he left both... He has never spent more than 5 seasons in one place. This can be viewed as a logical progression up until when he left Miami. When he left Miami a lot of things came out. Some were sour grapes I am sure, but it was a consistant message. Saban treated a lot of people in the program like dirt and there was a revolt brewing as well. Some of his players came out and said there was a lot of backlash that was building in the organization and amoung the players. One prominent player at the time stated he would have retired or demanded a trade if Saban had stayed and some other players shared the same sentiments. Now some of this can simply be attributed to Saban's hard nose style. I am however of the belief the longer he stays at one place the less advantageous it is for him. He has developed quite a track record at bama of screwing players over time and time again. I think this is the year it finally starts to show in recruiting. Bama will still have a strong class, but I think the track record of how saban operates and treats people and players is going to become a bigger problem for him and the updykes as time continues to pass. I'm probably wrong, but we will see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger n Miami AU83 25 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Definitely No Saban worship here but I have been saying something for years and believe it to be fact. I believe both Auburn and Bammer in being two of the top 7 winningest teams of all time, are where they are in part because of each other. I believe both teams push each other to be the best and always try to one up each other to be the best. That is why IMO this is the greatest rivalry in all of sports. With the new playoff format in place I believe it is building to playoff games between the 2 teams and maybe a national title game between them. Totally agree with this. There is no doubt the two programs push each other tremendously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les81 0 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 I said this back in 2007, I wondered if I was wrong a couple of years ago, and now am back to thinking maybe I was right. Still have to wait and see, but I made the following observations about Saban from watching his career from his time at LSU and The Dolphins and paying attention to what was said about him when he left both... He has never spent more than 5 seasons in one place. This can be viewed as a logical progression up until when he left Miami. When he left Miami a lot of things came out. Some were sour grapes I am sure, but it was a consistant message. Saban treated a lot of people in the program like dirt and there was a revolt brewing as well. Some of his players came out and said there was a lot of backlash that was building in the organization and amoung the players. One prominent player at the time stated he would have retired or demanded a trade if Saban had stayed and some other players shared the same sentiments. Now some of this can simply be attributed to Saban's hard nose style. I am however of the belief the longer he stays at one place the less advantageous it is for him. He has developed quite a track record at bama of screwing players over time and time again. I think this is the year it finally starts to show in recruiting. Bama will still have a strong class, but I think the track record of how saban operates and treats people and players is going to become a bigger problem for him and the updykes as time continues to pass. I'm probably wrong, but we will see. Whether you are wrong or not, this is an interesting post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimesAU 89 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 I don't think a player will go to a different school just to play them. It may be a player will want to go up against a school that didn't offer though. And I could see players going to a school to change things around and start their own legacy as opposed to going to a school that's already stacked. Bo Jackson came to Auburn because "da bahr" told him if he went to Auburn, he would never know how it feels to win an Iron Bowl. I thought it was because the turds only wanted him as a LB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperNova 0 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 I said this back in 2007, I wondered if I was wrong a couple of years ago, and now am back to thinking maybe I was right. Still have to wait and see, but I made the following observations about Saban from watching his career from his time at LSU and The Dolphins and paying attention to what was said about him when he left both... He has never spent more than 5 seasons in one place. This can be viewed as a logical progression up until when he left Miami. When he left Miami a lot of things came out. Some were sour grapes I am sure, but it was a consistant message. Saban treated a lot of people in the program like dirt and there was a revolt brewing as well. Some of his players came out and said there was a lot of backlash that was building in the organization and amoung the players. One prominent player at the time stated he would have retired or demanded a trade if Saban had stayed and some other players shared the same sentiments. Now some of this can simply be attributed to Saban's hard nose style. I am however of the belief the longer he stays at one place the less advantageous it is for him. He has developed quite a track record at bama of screwing players over time and time again. I think this is the year it finally starts to show in recruiting. Bama will still have a strong class, but I think the track record of how saban operates and treats people and players is going to become a bigger problem for him and the updykes as time continues to pass. I'm probably wrong, but we will see. Good point, another thing that will be interesting to see is how Saban handles an off year or bad season, or some major off the field issue causing distractions. The players have no problems when you are winning, but your teams true colors come out when you are losing, they either buck up or shut down. Saban has been lucky at UAT having no off year or rebuilding year at a school where 1 loss is unacceptable. They did have 3 losses in 2010 and the Harvey Nation was not happy about that, but what would they do and how would the team react if they had 4-6 losses? Not sure how bama will do this year, they did lose lots of key players. I will keep an eye on team chemistry, tempers, frustrations, and check the Saban tantrum meter. Like Tiger n Miami said, I think sooner or later there will be a player backlash in some form, either subtle or catastrophic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripe 5 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 I said this back in 2007, I wondered if I was wrong a couple of years ago, and now am back to thinking maybe I was right. Still have to wait and see, but I made the following observations about Saban from watching his career from his time at LSU and The Dolphins and paying attention to what was said about him when he left both... He has never spent more than 5 seasons in one place. This can be viewed as a logical progression up until when he left Miami. When he left Miami a lot of things came out. Some were sour grapes I am sure, but it was a consistant message. Saban treated a lot of people in the program like dirt and there was a revolt brewing as well. Some of his players came out and said there was a lot of backlash that was building in the organization and amoung the players. One prominent player at the time stated he would have retired or demanded a trade if Saban had stayed and some other players shared the same sentiments. Now some of this can simply be attributed to Saban's hard nose style. I am however of the belief the longer he stays at one place the less advantageous it is for him. He has developed quite a track record at bama of screwing players over time and time again. I think this is the year it finally starts to show in recruiting. Bama will still have a strong class, but I think the track record of how saban operates and treats people and players is going to become a bigger problem for him and the updykes as time continues to pass. I'm probably wrong, but we will see. Good point, another thing that will be interesting to see is how Saban handles an off year or bad season, or some major off the field issue causing distractions. The players have no problems when you are winning, but your teams true colors come out when you are losing, they either buck up or shut down. Saban has been lucky at UAT having no off year or rebuilding year at a school where 1 loss is unacceptable. They did have 3 losses in 2010 and the Harvey Nation was not happy about that, but what would they do and how would the team react if they had 4-6 losses? Not sure how bama will do this year, they did lose lots of key players. I will keep an eye on team chemistry, tempers, frustrations, and check the Saban tantrum meter. Like Tiger n Miami said, I think sooner or later there will be a player backlash in some form, either subtle or catastrophic. Good post and I think your right. I hope they have a really bad year I want to see how he handels it when they are getting blasted by the bottom of the SEC. He will probably dip out if they have a bad year and head for maybe the B10. Especially if a big school job opens up. I don't see him leaving for a small school just because they will not pay him the money and he will not be able to win NC's from there. is a good recruiter, but he's not the reason kids go to a school, Kids are drawn to the programs at big schools like Bammer because of the legacy, reguardless of the lies that are told about how many NC's they actually have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger n Miami AU83 25 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 I really do not see Saban leaving the updykes anytime soon, but I will say his bama teams have not responded well to adversity thus far. In 2007, they folded the tent and packed it in. They lost their last 4 games including a loss to Lousiana Monroe to finish 6-6. They didn't deserve a bowl, but ended up in Shreveport against a pitiful Colorado team who they nearly lost to. In 2008, they didn't even bother to show up in the Sugar Bowl after losing to UF and got embarrassed. In 2010, they were as good as any team in the country (even us who they had more talent than). However, they lost 3 games and never got any better as the season went on. After the losss to SC, they actually digressed IMO. So far, bama has been frontrunners under Saban IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herktiger 0 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Careful BIG you sound like a bammer...Saban is so good he is also the reason AU is tecruiting well. That sounds like something the midget would would say. AU is recruiting well for one reason and one reason only...Chizic and team has done an AUsome job! C'mon man, he's only the AU head coach...and the "c" and "k" are nowhere close to each other on the keyboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGtiger 0 Posted July 18, 2012 Author Share Posted July 18, 2012 Definitely No Saban worship here but I have been saying something for years and believe it to be fact. I believe both Auburn and Bammer in being two of the top 7 winningest teams of all time, are where they are in part because of each other. I believe both teams push each other to be the best and always try to one up each other to be the best. That is why IMO this is the greatest rivalry in all of sports. With the new playoff format in place I believe it is building to playoff games between the 2 teams and maybe a national title game between them. Thank you ellitor I am not a bammer dyed in the wool auburn man here. All I am saying is we have the best stage for competion in the country. I am not a fan saban or his practices. If you do not beleive he is a good coach you have your head in the sand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DyeEraTiger 0 Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 Definitely No Saban worship here but I have been saying something for years and believe it to be fact. I believe both Auburn and Bammer in being two of the top 7 winningest teams of all time, are where they are in part because of each other. I believe both teams push each other to be the best and always try to one up each other to be the best. That is why IMO this is the greatest rivalry in all of sports. With the new playoff format in place I believe it is building to playoff games between the 2 teams and maybe a national title game between them. There you go with that logical thinking again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ellitor 33,694 Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 Definitely No Saban worship here but I have been saying something for years and believe it to be fact. I believe both Auburn and Bammer in being two of the top 7 winningest teams of all time, are where they are in part because of each other. I believe both teams push each other to be the best and always try to one up each other to be the best. That is why IMO this is the greatest rivalry in all of sports. With the new playoff format in place I believe it is building to playoff games between the 2 teams and maybe a national title game between them. There you go with that logical thinking again. I think every college is allowed 1 non sunshine pumper per message board. I might be AE's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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