Has This Staff Lost This Team?

[Weegle777 63]

Was thinking about this last night. It seems that the players are not buying in to what is going on with the new philosophy on offense and defense. It looks like there isn't any continuity on the sidelines and the look on the faces of the coaches is very disconcerting. What do y'all think?

[Bottomfeeder 244]

I haven't seen one game this year. Only listen to Stan White and crew on the radio. I get all I need from them.

[tombigbeetiger 223]

listen to stan,he is telling us all we need to know, in a very subtle way

[AUIH1 1,515]

Yes, the staff (Chizik and his version of the BBQ bunch) lost the team last season.

wde

[IronMan70 3,271]

Was thinking about this last night. It seems that the players are not buying in to what is going on with the new philosophy on offense and defense. It looks like there isn't any continuity on the sidelines and the look on the faces of the coaches is very disconcerting. What do y'all think?

On the offensive side, you might have a good point. However, on the defensive side I would not agree. BVG has these guys going in the right direction while he waits on LB help and I think they definitely "buy in to" him. The secondary is now beginning to make the biggest overall improvement of all of the units from the last 2 years. All I can say is we better not let BVG get away from us, no matter what happens.

[n2hoops 0]

listen to stan,he is telling us all we need to know, in a very subtle way

What is Stan subtly telling us? I have not had the chance to listen to them this year - you have me very curious!

[tbone4jc 2,129]

Was thinking about this last night. It seems that the players are not buying in to what is going on with the new philosophy on offense and defense. It looks like there isn't any continuity on the sidelines and the look on the faces of the coaches is very disconcerting. What do y'all think?

On the offensive side, you might have a good point. However, on the defensive side I would not agree. BVG has these guys going in the right direction while he waits on LB help and I think they definitely "buy in to" him. The secondary is now beginning to make the biggest overall improvement of all of the units from the last 2 years. All I can say is we better not let BVG get away from us, no matter what happens.

100% agree with ironman!!!!!!!!!!!

[AUbritt 606]

For those of us who haven't been listening to the radio, will someone elaborate on what Stan's been saying?

[irontiger 1]

Don't know if the staff has lost this team but I do know that the NCAA has made it difficult to keep a team. To me I don't know how you can lose a team. I am older, but when I played a player never questioned what the team was doing. We just took coaching and played hard. I see the defense playing with more intensity now so I don't think they arent buying in. Offense I don't know what to think. I do know that there is no player leadership. Also, as to the NCAA. Control and discipline of a team has been destroyed by them. When I was in school, all players lived in Sewell hall and coaches knew where they were and when they were supposed to be there. I think the off field issues we are seeing as well as a lot of other teams is due to this rule change. I know the NCAA says we can't treat players better or different than students but give me a break they are different. We aren't ranting about little johnny who isn't performing in Biology class and how that teacher isn't getting the job done.

[Auhsv 0]

Yes

[auburn4ever 1,266]

Chizik has lostcontrol of this team. It all started last season.

[aubaseball 2,418]

this season is absolutely lost. the only way it can be salvaged is winning out. Do you think this will happen?

[NoALtiger 3,675]

this season is absolutely lost. the only way it can be salvaged is winning out. Do you think this will happen?

Not a chance in Hades.

[Weegle777 63]

Was thinking about this last night. It seems that the players are not buying in to what is going on with the new philosophy on offense and defense. It looks like there isn't any continuity on the sidelines and the look on the faces of the coaches is very disconcerting. What do y'all think?

On the offensive side, you might have a good point. However, on the defensive side I would not agree. BVG has these guys going in the right direction while he waits on LB help and I think they definitely "buy in to" him. The secondary is now beginning to make the biggest overall improvement of all of the units from the last 2 years. All I can say is we better not let BVG get away from us, no matter what happens.

Totally agree with you brother. BVG has the personality to command respect and he will not be questioned. He is old school and that is what we need.

[icanthearyou 4,409]

If he has lost them, it is almost impossible to get them back on board.

[ShugMan55 0]

I don't think the coaches lost the team so much as we never had them. From what I see our coaching staff (with the exception of VanGorder) takes a "we're your buddy" approach. We throw silly slogans, like "All In" around and talk about having fun. Our so called assistant coach jumps around on the sidelines as our receivers (except Blake) need dramatic improvement. It's my opinion only but I feel this "buddy buddy" style of coaching leads to dissension, lack of focus, off the field problems and a pretty damn poor team which is where we are now. Not to beat a dead horse but do you think Alabama players see Saban as their friend. Does Bill Belichek come across as your buddy? I've tried to remain patient but we are now getting whipped by some poor teams and stand a good chance of being last in the SEC.

[Tigerbelle 5,299]

I think the transition from Gus to CSL is more the problem. The offense isn't buying into him yet because they are confused. They are confused because Kiehl is immature,and he lacks confidence in his new coach and the new offensive scheme. Last season was a smaller mess because there was no set QB to lead the offense. Gus did not handle that well. The problems at QB have been compounded by the OC change and it's been a recipe for an offensive meltdown. LSU has had some of the same issues at QB.....

Win,lose or draw....a QB needs to step up now and take the leadership role. Out of the 3 possible candidates....JW has shown the most promise MENTALLY. Kiehl has the better physical gifts, but he is kind of fragile right now in the confidence area, and he is so unsure of what to do at times that he makes those silly mental errors. I also believe he does not trust his OLine....which is another set of problems. They aren't pulling together.

[WarEagle10 77]

I was thinking about the same thing weeg's. It looks like that is on the brink of happening, if yesterday didn't do it. The thing is, once you lose them it will be hard to get them back.

[AUpocalypse 10]

Was thinking about this last night. It seems that the players are not buying in to what is going on with the new philosophy on offense and defense. It looks like there isn't any continuity on the sidelines and the look on the faces of the coaches is very disconcerting. What do y'all think?

On the offensive side, you might have a good point. However, on the defensive side I would not agree. BVG has these guys going in the right direction while he waits on LB help and I think they definitely "buy in to" him. The secondary is now beginning to make the biggest overall improvement of all of the units from the last 2 years. All I can say is we better not let BVG get away from us, no matter what happens.

Totally agree with you brother. BVG has the personality to command respect and he will not be questioned. He is old school and that is what we need.

Spot on. CSL doesn't have the confidence or experience to get this job done. It's showing in the bad and sporadic playcalling. It's showing in the players. It's showing on Chizik's face when he and CSL speak to eachother on the sidelines. Things will get a little better between now and Amen Corner, then digress some more. CSL won't be back on the Plains as OC next year.

[TXaubie 546]

I was wondering the same thing watching that mess yesterday. As I was thinking that the D made a stop, jumped around, and celebrated. So I guess I would have to be included in the offense is lost. Defense is not.

[GenesChin 9]

This has to do with the fact that in team meetings Chizik goes on a rant ripping into Kiehl and telling the WRs that they are the worst unit of WRs he has ever seen on an Auburn team. It has to do with the fact that guys who weren't the ones misbehaving don't understand why there is a strict 11 oclock curfew every night. That the players see who has the talent and don't feel as if they are getting their fair shot.

[TigerVII 81]

We are making AU football history in 2012 (and it's not the good kind of history). We are headed to a 3-9 season with no offensive identity and an outmanned defense. Our situation is worse than in 2008 (with the exception for recruiting, which may begin to fall apart as the season progresses). In 2008 (a disastrous season by all accounts), we started out 4-1 and should have beaten LSU to begin 5-0. This season we are 1-4, and the next two games may be the weakest conference opponents left on the schedule. If 1-4 becomes 1-6, it will really get ugly.

I understand the QB issues. I understand the depth problem at linebacker and the young offensive line. What I don't understand is the lack of improvement from week to week. The OC (Loeffler) is as good as gone, but this won't be mishandled the way Tony Franklin was in 2008. I still have trust in Coach Chizik, but I think he gets one more chance (2013) to make it right, especially on offense.

I agree that BVG was a good hire and is a must to retain. The offense will once again have to be overhauled, and I'm not sure there's a Cam Newton-like QB prospect in a JUCO to sign for next year.

The worst part of all is we are self-destructing - Coach Chizik has no one to blame but himself because he hired the OC. How do you go from SEC doormat in 2008 to National Champion in 2010 and back to SEC doormat in 2012?

[Weegle777 63]

What I am afraid of is that this team will not recover. Once a team loses all respect for their HC, the only solution is wholesale change. I think the world of Chizik, but if the team has become fractured to the point of no return, no amount of coaching change at the coordinator or position coach position will help. Hope that's not the case.

[norcuron 35]

Was thinking about this last night. It seems that the players are not buying in to what is going on with the new philosophy on offense and defense. It looks like there isn't any continuity on the sidelines and the look on the faces of the coaches is very disconcerting. What do y'all think?

On the offensive side, you might have a good point. However, on the defensive side I would not agree. BVG has these guys going in the right direction while he waits on LB help and I think they definitely "buy in to" him. The secondary is now beginning to make the biggest overall improvement of all of the units from the last 2 years. All I can say is we better not let BVG get away from us, no matter what happens.

Totally agree with you brother. BVG has the personality to command respect and he will not be questioned. He is old school and that is what we need.

Ya know I like CBVG Too. He does have the 70's pornstar thing goin but he does seem to be "in the game" If we can keep anything from this squad him Trooper,Luper and Yox will make me happy.

[Plaric 4]

Our wide receivers underperform every year. Not to thrilled with troopers coaching on that specific area.