Why pull Frazier this game

[Brad2323 0]

I have wanted to see him pulled every game up to this one but after rewatching the 1st Half. I have to ask Why now. The guy actually looked like he managed the game well and the O was moving the ball.The last int was a bad read but a heck of a catch by the cb but you can tell he is pressing before half. Is it his fault for all the false starts, fumbles, play calling . Yes he should have thrown it away a few times but if you rewatch it he is looking to run the ball on at least two of those sacks. And where is Avery Young he looked very good the first few weeks because P. Miller is getting beat like a drum. I think Miller will be good in the future but has to bulk up he gets beat on simple Bull rushes every play. If we are going to play him can we get a TE to chip that side? If Young is unavailable why not move slade out there and bring in Westerman, Kozan, or Diamond??

[BigSammyK 169]

I haven't had the chance to re-watch the game (and quite honestly I'm not sure I want to) and I have a question for you since it sounds like you just did. What percentage of snaps do you think Frazier took in the shotgun vs under center? It seemed to me that he was still under center most of the game but in the second half it was the exact opposite with Moseley. That one really didn't make any sense to me.

[n2hoops 0]

I think that last sack that took us out of comfortable FG range is what put Chizik over the edge. As for shotgun vs. under center, I think that Moseley's lack of mobility is what led the coaches to put him in shotgun - trying to give him as much time as possible back there - or at least a head start....? But I am just guessing....Neither worked very well given how little they both had to do anything

[lca408 348]

Pulling Frazier was, in my opinion, the right move. He had a decent first half considering where he started, but to hold the ball for so long, dancing around indecisively and eventually getting sacked was inexcusable. He continued to overthrow his receivers, who actually played a decent ballgame. Overall, he showed more of the same - inconsistency and a lack of confidence.

I think the decision was simply this - the coaches, or perhaps Coach Chizik, realized that protecting the confidence of Frazier comes secondary to winning a game. Especially a game against the worst performing team in the league. Chizik was hoping for a spark. He didn't really get one with Moseley but I completely understand and agree with the decision.

As far as the shotgun snaps go, I believe it was an effort to give Moseley or whoever the QB would be in the second half the time to make reads and throw rather than having to drop straight back from under center and go through the motions. The Auburn line was showing no ability to stop Flowers or the others, and by backing the QB up a few feet, it SHOULD have provided him more time to go through reads, wind up, and throw downfield. Unfortunately, the O-Line performed even worse in the second half, particularly Patrick Miller who should not be allowed back on the field until he learns that blocking an opposing D-Lineman is not like being a matador. Basically it was an adjustment that didn't work out. As bad as Moseley and Frazier performed on Saturday, that loss was primarily due first and foremost to the offensive line. To allow that kind of disgraceful performance is unnacceptable, and I hope there are personnel changes going forward.

Ryan

[AuburnSpider 2]

If you were at the game you know why.

[WarEagle10 77]

I have no problem with the move. Kiehl did play his best half of the year IMO. However, it has been obvious Kiehl is in over his head right now. Why not make the move is my question? We saw what we needed to see. Kiehl, at the moment, is still our best option. Hopefully he will improve dramatically over the rest of the season.

[jwmboom7 0]

I haven't had the chance to re-watch the game (and quite honestly I'm not sure I want to) and I have a question for you since it sounds like you just did. What percentage of snaps do you think Frazier took in the shotgun vs under center? It seemed to me that he was still under center most of the game but in the second half it was the exact opposite with Moseley. That one really didn't make any sense to me.

Moseley's mobility had to do with him being in shotgun the hole time.

[Aubie09 0]

If I am not mistaken KF threw into double coverage. I listen to Stan White analysis and turn down the volume on ESPN. He said his throw to Blake was not the primary receiver. He locks onto to one receiver and that is his problem. You can hear the frustration in their voices. Now Moslley di thorw it around to others. Just an old mans opnion.

[maxwere 82]

It was a knee jerk reaction. The feeling was CM would jump start the team ala UF game of last year. I think we had a lot of folks "pressing" and Frazier was one of them. He seemed to be trying to be too perfect. His mental preparedness is no where near the level as under CGM. CGM had them do lots of work just to know where to throw away a ball to avoid a sack. Offensively the second half was a lot worse than the first. Our STs cost us 13 points in the first half or so due to fielding errors, mishandled kicks and missed FG. Given the way the D played and the ARK TO, I think a KF offense gets us 2 TDs and a FG at least in the second half.

Masons running was very good, but his pass pro killed us. He didn't help his qb out in that regard.

We should have pulled Miller. I'm perplexed at this decision.

Clearly, our offense took a different direction this week (CGC had an offensive playcard with him). We brought back (rather hardheartedly) some concepts from the HUNH.

BTW: On further review, this was the best zone defense I've seen from the CGC era.

[Tampa Tiger 30]

First time poster here - drove up from Tampa to see the game with my family. If you truly watched the game, and re-watched the game on ESPN3, etc, you will see that even though you can blame the O-Line for lack of coverage, etc, it was poor play at the QB position, plain and simple. Most of the sacks he held the ball for 5 seconds or more, or was outside the tackles. That is recipe for disaster in the SEC.

Not to bad mouth Frazier, but it would have been nice to have Trotter around to fall back on. Frazier may still develop, but in this case, the guy that beat Virginia in the bowl game and got our hopes up for this year had 1 more year of eligibilty and could have been a solid fall back. I always said he got a raw deal in my opinion. He kind of reminded me of a Chris Todd.

I know there are a couple of posts on here where he basically stated in a classy way that he was told he wouldn't be a contributor to the team at all, and it didn't matter what kind of work he did in the Spring. I'm wondering if these kids are getting the "Favoritism" treatment, similar to what happened at UF after they won their National Championships with Urban. Tebow made mention of it in his book and there have been quite a few articles about the disruptions, even allegedly that Percy Harvin choked out the WR coach and he transferred to LSU!

I Love Auburn and I'm All In! I just think that if there's any favoritisms going on, it's time for full contact 24/7 practices and reading the part of the creed about hard work and believing in Auburn and loving it.

War Eagle, we will see the mettle of the coaches. See how CGC responds.

[TxWarEagle 3]

On two series, his decisions led to us not scoring when in scoring position.

At some point you have to send a message. I hope it was received and we see KF with a sense of urgency and passion on Saturday.

[IronMan70 3,271]

Pulling Frazier was, in my opinion, the right move. He had a decent first half considering where he started, but to hold the ball for so long, dancing around indecisively and eventually getting sacked was inexcusable. He continued to overthrow his receivers, who actually played a decent ballgame. Overall, he showed more of the same - inconsistency and a lack of confidence.

I think the decision was simply this - the coaches, or perhaps Coach Chizik, realized that protecting the confidence of Frazier comes secondary to winning a game. Especially a game against the worst performing team in the league. Chizik was hoping for a spark. He didn't really get one with Moseley but I completely understand and agree with the decision.

As far as the shotgun snaps go, I believe it was an effort to give Moseley or whoever the QB would be in the second half the time to make reads and throw rather than having to drop straight back from under center and go through the motions. The Auburn line was showing no ability to stop Flowers or the others, and by backing the QB up a few feet, it SHOULD have provided him more time to go through reads, wind up, and throw downfield. Unfortunately, the O-Line performed even worse in the second half, particularly Patrick Miller who should not be allowed back on the field until he learns that blocking an opposing D-Lineman is not like being a matador. Basically it was an adjustment that didn't work out. As bad as Moseley and Frazier performed on Saturday, that loss was primarily due first and foremost to the offensive line. To allow that kind of disgraceful performance is unnacceptable, and I hope there are personnel changes going forward.

Ryan

People like to pick out one or two plays that stick out to them and then make a generalized assumption. Only 1 of those sacks in the first half was on Kiehl, the last one, so your "inexcusable" comment applies to one play. As far as KF "continuing" to overthrow his receivers, he was 9 for 14 but it should have been 10 for 14 without the drop, for 118 yards. There was no reason to pull him in "this" game after the first half.

On Miller I am perplexed why Grimes would not make an adjustment during the game. Move Slade out there and bring in Westerman at RG but dont just watch it go on and on. I am also at a loss as to why we would have Prosch, an All American blocking FB, riding the pine when it was obvious that the OL needed help. On the 3rd sack, Flowers beat Miller, then Mason and was reaching out for KF at the 2.5 second mark on the replay.

[ronniebrownfan 1]

What I don't understand is why the coaching staff didn't pull KF in the second half of the MSU game when he definitely needed to be yet they pulled him when he was playing better than he had since our first game.

Really doesn't make sense unless something happened that we don't know about.

[NoALtiger 3,667]

What I don't understand is why the coaching staff didn't pull KF in the second half of the MSU game when he definitely needed to be yet they pulled him when he was playing better than he had since our first game.

Really doesn't make sense unless something happened that we don't know about.

A lot of folks are asking this same question.

[danno 2]

I am not a coach or a player but I can see. We do not have an SEC caliber QB or offensive line at this point. With a little more than two minutes left in the half their was not excuse for the QB getting sacked. Offensive play calling by Ark. was much better than ours. A draw play with 3rd and 15 or 16 is not good. I am totally at a lost as to why we are not improving on offense. People can make all the excuses they want but two weeks to prepare for this team and play this way is not acceptable.

[audeuce02 10]

I am not a coach or a player but I can see. We do not have an SEC caliber QB or offensive line at this point. With a little more than two minutes left in the half their was not excuse for the QB getting sacked. Offensive play calling by Ark. was much better than ours. A draw play with 3rd and 15 or 16 is not good. I am totally at a lost as to why we are not improving on offense. People can make all the excuses they want but two weeks to prepare for this team and play this way is not acceptable.

An even worse play call is a Draw when it was 3rd and 22.

[JSS_WDE 0]

I have wanted to see him pulled every game up to this one but after rewatching the 1st Half. I have to ask Why now. The guy actually looked like he managed the game well and the O was moving the ball.The last int was a bad read but a heck of a catch by the cb but you can tell he is pressing before half. Is it his fault for all the false starts, fumbles, play calling . Yes he should have thrown it away a few times but if you rewatch it he is looking to run the ball on at least two of those sacks. And where is Avery Young he looked very good the first few weeks because P. Miller is getting beat like a drum. I think Miller will be good in the future but has to bulk up he gets beat on simple Bull rushes every play. If we are going to play him can we get a TE to chip that side? If Young is unavailable why not move slade out there and bring in Westerman, Kozan, or Diamond??

Diamond got hurt before the season started according to some of his tweets and Avery Young got banged up and then fell behind in the depth chart according to a source. Not sure about Kozan and Westerman.

[Auburn255 0]

I am not a coach or a player but I can see. We do not have an SEC caliber QB or offensive line at this point. With a little more than two minutes left in the half their was not excuse for the QB getting sacked. Offensive play calling by Ark. was much better than ours. A draw play with 3rd and 15 or 16 is not good. I am totally at a lost as to why we are not improving on offense. People can make all the excuses they want but two weeks to prepare for this team and play this way is not acceptable.

we have an SEC-caliber everything except for the OC, trust me this team is wayyyy to talented for this kind of production on offense, and it has caused us to lose 4 games already, if it's not fixed soon we won't win another game.