what made malzahns offense effective?

[JMassie11 1,587]

I'll wait for some imput then ill provide the answer

[Weegle777 63]

Pace and motion. When it was allowed to work as it was meant to work, it was awesome to watch.

[JMassie11 1,587]

Pace and motion. When it was allowed to work as it was meant to work, it was awesome to watch.

A big part of it but not most important

[JMassie11 1,587]

Well weegs since no one else is choosing to participating ill shaw....in Gus's offense he basically ran the same few plays out of different formations and looks....you add in the motions and pace and its very hard to defend....by not "over using" the play book he kept things simple...players could react and not have to think so much....not yes there was always new wrinkles but look at the plays compared to this season....a lot of plays guys just look lost....each game it seems we are using 20+ new plays and none from the week before...this to me explains a lot

[Weegle777 63]

Well weegs since no one else is choosing to participating ill shaw....in Gus's offense he basically ran the same few plays out of different formations and looks....you add in the motions and pace and its very hard to defend....by not "over using" the play book he kept things simple...players could react and not have to think so much....not yes there was always new wrinkles but look at the plays compared to this season....a lot of plays guys just look lost....each game it seems we are using 20+ new plays and none from the week before...this to me explains a lot

You are dead on with that. Loved the crazy formations and the wild motion and misdirection. Defenses didnt know what to do. Until Chizik slowed it down in the second half of the Clemson game last season.

[PoetTiger 1,842]

Not to say you are wrong, but how do you know Chizik slowed it down in 2nd half of Clemson game? I hear innuendos of this nature a lot and I am just curious where it comes from?

[redfish99999 0]

surprise, confusion and cam

[JMassie11 1,587]

Not to say you are wrong, but how do you know Chizik slowed it down in 2nd half of Clemson game? I hear innuendos of this nature a lot and I am just curious where it comes from?

We had the lead and we all knew the defense could collapsing at any moment so the name of the game at that point is ball control...we slowed things down to help the d stay off the field and they kept it that way throughout the remainder of the year....the # of offense snaps per game dropped significantly

[Weegle777 63]

Not to say you are wrong, but how do you know Chizik slowed it down in 2nd half of Clemson game? I hear innuendos of this nature a lot and I am just curious where it comes from?

Watch the game again and compare the two halves. We were moving the ball at will and were using misdirection and pace. Second half comes and we had mysteriously stopped what we were doing in the first half. No way Malzahn just puts the brakes on like that. It had to have come from the top to save the defense.

[JMassie11 1,587]

surprise, confusion and cam

Can't use the cam excuse bc he had success with Todd....plus look at the qb he had at arky and tulsa....decent athletes but far from elite

[WDE_OxPx_2010 4,722]

surprise, confusion and cam

Can't use the cam excuse bc he had success with Todd....plus look at the qb he had at arky and tulsa....decent athletes but far from elite

And this year at Arkansas state to keep up the argument. They are currently leading in total offense. That's 5 out of 7 years Malzahn has had a top 5 offense nationally. FYI

[Raven_tiger 5]

Cam newton??? He's hardly setting the world on fire at Arky State.

[JMassie11 1,587]

surprise, confusion and cam

Can't use the cam excuse bc he had success with Todd....plus look at the qb he had at arky and tulsa....decent athletes but far from elite

And this year at Arkansas state to keep up the argument. They are currently leading in total offense. That's 5 out of 7 years Malzahn has had a top 5 offense nationally. FYI

Exactly....thanks for the info

[JMassie11 1,587]

Cam newton??? He's hardly setting the world on fire at Arky State.

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[gilstein21 1]

malzahn's offense also took advantage of the rules. When he has the players he wants, he does not have to sub for different formations; therefore, the refs cannot slow down the play to allow the defense to sub. If one offensive player is subbed, then the D has a chance to counter before the ball is in play. Throw in the motion and multiple formations and you have an effective offense. This is how a lot of high power offenses work.

[sevenlee36 1,561]

Oh me pick me!!! I say that in his

1st year at Auburn- THE ELEMENT OF SURPRISE, An experienced and talented O-line, and a NFL Runningback in Ben Tate

2nd year at Auburn- An experienced O-LINE (and WR's), Cam Newton, and a 5-star freshman runningback

YES I think I knocked it out of the park! Now ask me another!

[UltraSwagnus 1]

Well weegs since no one else is choosing to participating ill shaw....in Gus's offense he basically ran the same few plays out of different formations and looks....you add in the motions and pace and its very hard to defend....by not "over using" the play book he kept things simple...players could react and not have to think so much....not yes there was always new wrinkles but look at the plays compared to this season....a lot of plays guys just look lost....each game it seems we are using 20+ new plays and none from the week before...this to me explains a lot

pretty much hit the nail on the head

the only true problem with the HUNH is if the team 3 and outs more often than not, games can result in blowouts...as we saw in 2011

if you watch Malzahn led offenses going back several years..this is the trend, the offense is a thing of beauty beauty...but the defense has to play conservative largely for the most of the game(bend dont break, make them work for it)

i notice there are many people here who dont really understand football well

[JMassie11 1,587]

Sorry but see tulsa his days at arky and arky state now...his 1st year at auburn the oline was not dominate either....yes the line is extremely important but its not just having amazing talent that keeps it a success....look at Oregon they are the same way in that keeping things simple pays out big...hell Alabama runs the same few plays now granted they have the top talents at many positions

[sevenlee36 1,561]

Sorry but see tulsa his days at arky and arky state now...his 1st year at auburn the oline was not dominate either....yes the line is extremely important but its not just having amazing talent that keeps it a success....look at Oregon they are the same way in that keeping things simple pays out big...hell Alabama runs the same few plays now granted they have the top talents at many positions

I am right the Oline is the most imporatant place on the field, hands down rookie. It shows with Alabama when they can run simple plays and still easily win every game. Look at Wisconsin's running game they have a Heisman Trophy candidate running back but how is he faring this year? They can't run the ball because of the Oline isn't nearly as good as last year and they are now losing games because of it. (Sorry buddy don't like being told he's wrong HE NEVA RONG!!! haha)

[JMassie11 1,587]

Your missing the point of the entire thread...its not " which positions are most important" now is it....if you have a dominate oline and " system will be effective...with Gus's system you just need an athletic and capable oline not dominate...nice try playing the "rookie" card

[WDE_OxPx_2010 4,722]

I was wrong- here are the actual numbers for Malzahn over his entire collegiate career. Looking at this, the Cam Newton argument is flawed more than I thought- all of his schools were based on different philosophies based on personnel, so to try and pigeonhole Malzahn with Cam would be crazy.

2006- 20th with arkansas rushing tilt 5362 yds no # given 383.0 ypg

2007- 1st with tulsa passing tilt 7615 yds 6.76 ypp 543.9 ypg

2008- 1st with tulsa passing tilt 7978 yds 7.27 ypp 569.9 ypg

2009- 16th with Auburn passing tilt 5613 yds 6.14 ypp 431.8 ypg

2010- 7th with Auburn rushing tilt 6989 yds 7.37 ypp 499.2 ypg

2011- I'll void this for obvious reasons, but Auburn was 91st

2012- 15th so far with Arkansas State balanced 6.15 ypp 470 ypg

cfbstats.com is my source.

[JMassie11 1,587]

I was wrong- here are the actual numbers for Malzahn over his entire collegiate career. Looking at this, the Cam Newton argument is flawed more than I thought- all of his schools were based on different philosophies based on personnel, so to try and pigeonhole Malzahn with Cam would be crazy.

2006- 20th with arkansas rushing tilt 5362 yds no # given 383.0 ypg

2007- 1st with tulsa passing tilt 7615 yds 6.76 ypp 543.9 ypg

2008- 1st with tulsa passing tilt 7978 yds 7.27 ypp 569.9 ypg

2009- 16th with Auburn passing tilt 5613 yds 6.14 ypp 431.8 ypg

2010- 7th with Auburn rushing tilt 6989 yds 7.37 ypp 499.2 ypg

2011- I'll void this for obvious reasons, but Auburn was 91st

2012- 15th so far with Arkansas State balanced 6.15 ypp 470 ypg

cfbstats.com is my source.

Still solid info....you use whats being given not force the situation...if the d let's you pass then pass don't force the run and same goes the other way

[sevenlee36 1,561]

Your missing the point of the entire thread...its not " which positions are most important" now is it....if you have a dominate oline and " system will be effective...with Gus's system you just need an athletic and capable oline not dominate...nice try playing the "rookie" card

Dang buddy just joking .. so serious.. I'm leaving this class So sorry

[WDE_OxPx_2010 4,722]

Your missing the point of the entire thread...its not " which positions are most important" now is it....if you have a dominate oline and " system will be effective...with Gus's system you just need an athletic and capable oline not dominate...nice try playing the "rookie" card

Dang buddy just joking .. so serious.. I'm leaving this class So sorry

ISWYDT. I approve.

[WDE_OxPx_2010 4,722]

The real answer:

Malzahn's offense is effective because he was a Defensive Coordinator in high school back in 1991, and decided that year if you can't beat them, join them.