Recruiting Class Retention

[TW82 0]

This topic can be best addressed by StatTiger with his knowledge and data on recruiting classes. My question is how are we doing with retaining top recruits and transitioning them to playing time. I read an article by Jon Solomon, dated in Jan 12, that stated Auburn had retained about 43% of the 2009 and 2010 classes but have done better keeping members of the 2011 class. That would explain why, in the fourth year of a coaching staff, we are starting a true freshman and a redshirt freshman on the offensive line and lots of freshmen in the defensive secondary. I think understanding the output of our recruiting process would explain some of our player ability and depth problems. Here's the link to the article http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/01/what_happened_to_gene_chiziks.html.

Cam Newton had an interesting quote after the Clemson game, when he was on the sideline. He said, in effect, that Auburn had no team chemistry. I think he's right and that is another contributing factor to our lack of performance and leadership.

[WarAJEagle 5]

Could you really blame any of them for bailing?

[AUinGA44 265]

If we retain 4 of our top 10 recruits this year it'll shock me. This being the case REGARDLESS of whether or not Chizik gets canned. Reuben is the only hope to keep this class together but of he isn't able or doesn't want to I do not blame him whatsoever

[ellitor 32,101]

If we retain 4 of our top 10 recruits this year it'll shock me. This being the case REGARDLESS of whether or not Chizik gets canned. Reuben is the only hope to keep this class together but of he isn't able or doesn't want to I do not blame him whatsoever

Who do you consider to be the top 10 recruits and I will tell you if I agree or not. Also this thread is probably best served in the recruiting forum.

[AUinGA44 265]

Lawson, Liner, Reuben, T Johnson, Wilkins, J Johnson, Bowers, E Robinson, C Toney, J Davis. I only see Davis, J Johnson, and Robinson staying for sure IMO.

[bootskii 258]

IMO this seasons outcome could go two ways concerning recruits.

1. They see a program that is dying and bail ( I hope this is not the case at all )

2. They have fallen in love with Auburn and it's staff and see a golden opportunity to come in and get playing time right away. To me this is the more likely scenario

[AUTimmy 0]

Is it that important now? The more important thing is coach that can develop players. The players that we have didn't get coach up or muscle up Yox style.

[Raven_tiger 5]

If chizik is retained I don't know how that would be a positive for recruiting. A lame duck coach? Who wants to sign up for that? We already can see chizik does not develop players for the NFL. What else is there?

[ellitor 32,101]

Lawson, Liner, Reuben, T Johnson, Wilkins, J Johnson, Bowers, E Robinson, C Toney, J Davis. I only see Davis, J Johnson, and Robinson staying for sure IMO.

Reuben is a lock and Wilkins is a virtual lock. And if his tweet from yesterday meant anything Dee seems virtual as well.

[AUPAC 0]

I'm pretty sure you can find an outline of our recruiting class retention in the archives. It's not good, hasn't been good and we're suffering from it. At this point, I don't know if there are any locks and I'm not sure if it really matters any more. The current coaches haven't done a stellar job of bringing in and coaching guys to be, "all in" so who cares about their player evaluations. They're recruiting method has largely been looking at the Rivals site for player evaluation. Great for 40 times, not so great for character evaluation.

[ellitor 32,101]

I'm pretty sure you can find an outline of our recruiting class retention in the archives. It's not good, hasn't been good and we're suffering from it. At this point, I don't know if there are any locks and I'm not sure if it really matters any more. The current coaches haven't done a stellar job of bringing in and coaching guys to be, "all in" so who cares about their player evaluations. They're recruiting method has largely been looking at the Rivals site for player evaluation. Great for 40 times, not so great for character evaluation.

This part is incorrect. We have been in on players long before the recruiting services. Carl Lawson is a perfect example.

[keesler 5,814]

What are our coaches "selling" recruits these days? What are they pointing to that would sway them to sign on to play for AU. Most highly rated coaches are recruited by all the big-boy's as well. So, when we go up against LSU/UAT/FLA/SoCarl/UGA, what can our coaches sell to thesse 4-5*'s?

Coaching Stability?

NFL readiness?

Competing for championships?

Player development?

Disciplined program on and off the field?

I'd like to know what the sales pitch is these days.

[ellitor 32,101]

What are our coaches "selling" recruits these days? What are they pointing to that would sway them to sign on to play for AU. Most highly rated coaches are recruited by all the big-boy's as well. So, when we go up against LSU/UAT/FLA/SoCarl/UGA, what can our coaches sell to thesse 4-5*'s?

Coaching Stability?

NFL readiness?

Competing for championships?

Player development?

Disciplined program on and off the field?

I'd like to know what the sales pitch is these days.

The same one they were told when they committed. Can play early at a traditional upper tier SEC and BCS program. All the players were told by the coaches before they committed this would be a rough season for Auburn...although I don't think anyone expected this.

[AuburnSpider 2]

Well I hope we keep them all. Highly doubt we do. This years crop just may be sacrificed. If it has to be, it has to be.

[buzzurd24 11]

What are our coaches "selling" recruits these days? What are they pointing to that would sway them to sign on to play for AU. Most highly rated coaches are recruited by all the big-boy's as well. So, when we go up against LSU/UAT/FLA/SoCarl/UGA, what can our coaches sell to thesse 4-5*'s?

Coaching Stability?

NFL readiness?

Competing for championships?

Player development?

Disciplined program on and off the field?

I'd like to know what the sales pitch is these days.

The same one they were told when they committed. Can play early at a traditional upper tier SEC and BCS program. All the players were told by the coaches before they committed this would be a rough season for Auburn...although I don't think anyone expected this.

E,

Could you put a % of Auburn holding onto J. Johnson?

[Rednilla 5,105]

They're recruiting method has largely been looking at the Rivals site for player evaluation.

Not sure where you're getting that. I don't think Carl Lawson was even a four star when he committed to AU, and I know he wasn't in the top 100, but I was hearing a ton of great things about him long before he showed out at the Rivals100 camp and his stock skyrocketed.

[oxford tiger12 0]

I can understand people being upset, because I am upset as well. However, I am amazed to see some people who are supposedly Aubun fans become more negative about our program than even our worst enemies like the bammers. Auburn wont be the only school who has a bad season and still had a great recruiting class. Mike Shula went 4-9 one year and still signed a top 10 class on rivals. Mark Richt had a losing season two years ago and still signed a top 5 class

[auburn4ever 1,266]

As good as this class stands right now, if Chizik is let go after this year and we finally bring a REAL head coach who coach and recruit like vthere's no tomorrow, then I strongly believe in my heart that our 2013 class will up in the top 2 and could very well be #1 in the nation.

[augolf1716 20,277]

Not going to happen a4e and that is REAL

[ellitor 32,101]

As good as this class stands right now, if Chizik is let go after this year and we finally bring a REAL head coach who coach and recruit like vthere's no tomorrow, then I strongly believe in my heart that our 2013 class will up in the top 2 and could very well be #1 in the nation.

Can I have whatever you are smoking?

[AUbritt 606]

All right. How about the following scenario?

We keep all defensive coaches and special teams coaches, along with CGC. We clean house on the offensive side of the ball so that CGC can hire an OC who can bring in his own staff. We do this after the season and the new offensive staff is in place by January 21.

Do we keep all of our D recruits? And how about our O recruits?

[ellitor 32,101]

All right. How about the following scenario?

We keep all defensive coaches and special teams coaches, along with CGC. We clean house on the offensive side of the ball so that CGC can hire an OC who can bring in his own staff. We do this after the season and the new offensive staff is in place by January 21.

Do we keep all of our D recruits? And how about our O recruits?

The way CGC has been micro managing this team since the Clemson game it is not even plausable that he would be open minded enough to do all that.

[AUbritt 606]

All right. How about the following scenario?

We keep all defensive coaches and special teams coaches, along with CGC. We clean house on the offensive side of the ball so that CGC can hire an OC who can bring in his own staff. We do this after the season and the new offensive staff is in place by January 21.

Do we keep all of our D recruits? And how about our O recruits?

The way CGC has been micro managing this team since the Clemson game it is not even plausable that he would be open minded enough to do all that.

Well, even if you are accurate in your characterization of CGC, a loss to Vandy can be clarifying.

My reasoning was that -- despite the fact that we have some stellar recruits on O -- this class is heavily weighted toward D. If changes need to be made (as many have suggested), and if the reason we hired Lefty was because CGC wouldn't let anyone bring in a whole staff, then cleaning house on the offensive side of the ball would endanger our O recruits, but also potentially allow a quick turnaround in on-field performance. Depending on who we hire, we might even help us keep kids on the O side of the ball. Keeping all our D coaches would presumably preserve the bulk of our class.

Unless we are simply assuming CGC will be fired and it will be a complete meltdown.

[aubcali 355]

All right. How about the following scenario?

We keep all defensive coaches and special teams coaches, along with CGC. We clean house on the offensive side of the ball so that CGC can hire an OC who can bring in his own staff. We do this after the season and the new offensive staff is in place by January 21.

Do we keep all of our D recruits? And how about our O recruits?

The way CGC has been micro managing this team since the Clemson game it is not even plausable that he would be open minded enough to do all that.

A nice conversation with Gogue after the season will open his mind.

My guess, if we do see some more offense recruits dropping off the board, that could be a message of what is coming at the end of the season. I highly doubt CSL is coming back next season.

[aubie571 0]

As good as this class stands right now, if Chizik is let go after this year and we finally bring a REAL head coach who coach and recruit like vthere's no tomorrow, then I strongly believe in my heart that our 2013 class will up in the top 2 and could very well be #1 in the nation.

Can I have whatever you are smoking?

Damn good chit!