The Real Benghazi Scandal

[TexasTiger 14,542]

Republicans leak altered emails to the media in an effort to mislead Americans. I sense your intense outrage over this...

http://m.cbsnews.com/storysynopsis.rbml?pageType=eveningNews&catid=57584947&feed_id=29

[TitanTiger 21,571]

First, if what you seem to be implying - that Republicans altered these emails to say things they didn't or knowingly used emails that someone else altered - that's deplorable and some heads should roll.

But there is another possibility...that the White House altered the quotes themselves to undermine the GOP's attack. Or that there were earlier versions of the emails that the GOP got their hands on, and then subsequently, less detailed versions were re-sent and the WH released those.

[MDM4AU 338]

If this really is GOP shenanigans, I'm pretty sure my 'outrage' will be at least as much as any you've had for this Admin in any of this. Maybe more...

[autigeremt 7,260]

Republicans leak altered emails to the media in an effort to mislead Americans. I sense your intense outrage over this...

http://m.cbsnews.com/storysynopsis.rbml?pageType=eveningNews&catid=57584947&feed_id=29

I'd certainly be outraged even though I'm not a Republican. That said, I can't believe much of anything other than what has happened. The White House lies so often it's hard to determine the truth from the dishonesty. Our government has lied so often you can't discern the truth from another lie. In my opinion this type of report is what the Obama administration is all about. If you want to blindly support them that's your choice. I choose the be very, very skeptical.

[TexasTiger 14,542]

First, if what you seem to be implying - that Republicans altered these emails to say things they didn't or knowingly used emails that someone else altered - that's deplorable and some heads should roll.

But there is another possibility...that the White House altered the quotes themselves to undermine the GOP's attack. Or that there were earlier versions of the emails that the GOP got their hands on, and then subsequently, less detailed versions were re-sent and the WH released those.

Your "other possibility" may be the craziest conspiracy theory yet-- and that is saying something.

[autigeremt 7,260]

First, if what you seem to be implying - that Republicans altered these emails to say things they didn't or knowingly used emails that someone else altered - that's deplorable and some heads should roll.

But there is another possibility...that the White House altered the quotes themselves to undermine the GOP's attack. Or that there were earlier versions of the emails that the GOP got their hands on, and then subsequently, less detailed versions were re-sent and the WH released those.

Your "other possibility" may be the craziest conspiracy theory yet-- and that is saying something.

BS! If anything both have the same chance of being the truth.

[TexasTiger 14,542]

First, if what you seem to be implying - that Republicans altered these emails to say things they didn't or knowingly used emails that someone else altered - that's deplorable and some heads should roll.

But there is another possibility...that the White House altered the quotes themselves to undermine the GOP's attack. Or that there were earlier versions of the emails that the GOP got their hands on, and then subsequently, less detailed versions were re-sent and the WH released those.

Your "other possibility" may be the craziest conspiracy theory yet-- and that is saying something.

BS! If anything both have the same chance of being the truth.

You guys need to make up your mind as to whether this WH is super clever and ultra competent or utterly inept-- they can't be both.

[autigeremt 7,260]

First, if what you seem to be implying - that Republicans altered these emails to say things they didn't or knowingly used emails that someone else altered - that's deplorable and some heads should roll.

But there is another possibility...that the White House altered the quotes themselves to undermine the GOP's attack. Or that there were earlier versions of the emails that the GOP got their hands on, and then subsequently, less detailed versions were re-sent and the WH released those.

Your "other possibility" may be the craziest conspiracy theory yet-- and that is saying something.

BS! If anything both have the same chance of being the truth.

You guys need to make up your mind as to whether this WH is super clever and ultra competent or utterly inept-- they can't be both.

Sure they can. Clear example.....spUAT

[TitanTiger 21,571]

First, if what you seem to be implying - that Republicans altered these emails to say things they didn't or knowingly used emails that someone else altered - that's deplorable and some heads should roll.

But there is another possibility...that the White House altered the quotes themselves to undermine the GOP's attack. Or that there were earlier versions of the emails that the GOP got their hands on, and then subsequently, less detailed versions were re-sent and the WH released those.

Your "other possibility" may be the craziest conspiracy theory yet-- and that is saying something.

Is it really that much crazier than implying the Republicans might have altered the quotes in their leaked ones?

[TexasTiger 14,542]

First, if what you seem to be implying - that Republicans altered these emails to say things they didn't or knowingly used emails that someone else altered - that's deplorable and some heads should roll.

But there is another possibility...that the White House altered the quotes themselves to undermine the GOP's attack. Or that there were earlier versions of the emails that the GOP got their hands on, and then subsequently, less detailed versions were re-sent and the WH released those.

Your "other possibility" may be the craziest conspiracy theory yet-- and that is saying something.

Is it really that much crazier than implying the Republicans might have altered the quotes in their leaked ones?

Seriously?

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Gee Republicans were not allowed to make real copies of the emails they had to "view" them and take limited notes even though they were not top secret. (I do not have a link on this but heard Trey Gowdy Rep from S. C. on a news program about this). From the administration that has been hiding the IRS scandal since July to help their reelection possibilities I wouldn't put anything past them...

[Proud Tiger 4,261]

Republicans leak altered emails to the media in an effort to mislead Americans. I sense your intense outrage over this...

http://m.cbsnews.com...4947&feed_id=29

The real truth here is that you threw a turd in the punch bowl to deflect attention from the facts which deep down you know but can't bring yourself to be enraged about. Look.....four Americans died in an obvious screwup followed by a coverup of epic proportions. Why can't we all support every attempt to find the truth without petty partisan politics.

[TexasTiger 14,542]

Republicans leak altered emails to the media in an effort to mislead Americans. I sense your intense outrage over this...

http://m.cbsnews.com...4947&feed_id=29

The real truth here is that you threw a turd in the punch bowl to deflect attention from the facts which deep down you know but can't bring yourself to be enraged about. Look.....four Americans died in an obvious screwup followed by a coverup of epic proportions. Why can't we all support every attempt to find the truth without petty partisan politics.

Proud-- security was grossly inadequate. The State Department report I've linked to previously makes that clear. This case is complicated by the fact that this was more of a CIA outpost than a State operation. But to call this a coverup of "epic proportions" is frankly a grossly irrational comment borne of the petty partisan politics you decry

[TitanTiger 21,571]

First, if what you seem to be implying - that Republicans altered these emails to say things they didn't or knowingly used emails that someone else altered - that's deplorable and some heads should roll.

But there is another possibility...that the White House altered the quotes themselves to undermine the GOP's attack. Or that there were earlier versions of the emails that the GOP got their hands on, and then subsequently, less detailed versions were re-sent and the WH released those.

Your "other possibility" may be the craziest conspiracy theory yet-- and that is saying something.

Is it really that much crazier than implying the Republicans might have altered the quotes in their leaked ones?

Seriously?

You are implying that one side altered emails to include quotes that don't exist. It's a rather serious charge. Why is it that much crazier to imply that perhaps the WH issued edited emails themselves that omitted or altered the quotes to look less damaging? Is there something inherent in the executive branch that makes them more honest?

I don't really think that's what happened. I think there are several possibilities, but I'm not letting people in the Administration or sympathetic to them off the hook yet.

[TexasTiger 14,542]

First, if what you seem to be implying - that Republicans altered these emails to say things they didn't or knowingly used emails that someone else altered - that's deplorable and some heads should roll.

But there is another possibility...that the White House altered the quotes themselves to undermine the GOP's attack. Or that there were earlier versions of the emails that the GOP got their hands on, and then subsequently, less detailed versions were re-sent and the WH released those.

Your "other possibility" may be the craziest conspiracy theory yet-- and that is saying something.

Is it really that much crazier than implying the Republicans might have altered the quotes in their leaked ones?

Seriously?

You are implying that one side altered emails to include quotes that don't exist. It's a rather serious charge. Why is it that much crazier to imply that perhaps the WH issued edited emails themselves that omitted or altered the quotes to look less damaging? Is there something inherent in the executive branch that makes them more honest?

I don't really think that's what happened. I think there are several possibilities, but I'm not letting people in the Administration or sympathetic to them off the hook yet.

What do you know about the facts of this case?

[TitanTiger 21,571]

What do you know about the facts of this case?

Honestly, I haven't dug that deep into it. I'm just looking at the story you linked and seeing that there are two sets of emails, one of which has certain damaging quotes and the other which has less damaging quotes. So the question is, which ones are the real emails. Did the damaging quotes ever really exist? If not, who altered the emails to add them in? If they did exist, why don't the emails the WH produced show them?

What am I missing?

[TexasTiger 14,542]

What do you know about the facts of this case?

Honestly, I haven't dug that deep into it. I'm just looking at the story you linked and seeing that there are two sets of emails, one of which has certain damaging quotes and the other which has less damaging quotes. So the question is, which ones are the real emails. Did the damaging quotes ever really exist? If not, who altered the emails to add them in? If they did exist, why don't the emails the WH produced show them?

What am I missing?

There weren't two sets of emails. Republicans haven't even countered with, "Well, here are the emails we were shown." Republicans who saw the original emails spun them (misstated their contents) to the press to assert things more in line with their narrative. The WH then released the emails which showed those assertions were false and misleading.

[homersapien 12,345]

First, if what you seem to be implying - that Republicans altered these emails to say things they didn't or knowingly used emails that someone else altered - that's deplorable and some heads should roll.

But there is another possibility...that the White House altered the quotes themselves to undermine the GOP's attack. Or that there were earlier versions of the emails that the GOP got their hands on, and then subsequently, less detailed versions were re-sent and the WH released those.

Your "other possibility" may be the craziest conspiracy theory yet-- and that is saying something.

Is it really that much crazier than implying the Republicans might have altered the quotes in their leaked ones?

Seriously?

You are implying that one side altered emails to include quotes that don't exist. It's a rather serious charge. Why is it that much crazier to imply that perhaps the WH issued edited emails themselves that omitted or altered the quotes to look less damaging? Is there something inherent in the executive branch that makes them more honest?

I don't really think that's what happened. I think there are several possibilities, but I'm not letting people in the Administration or sympathetic to them off the hook yet.

Well, I admit I am not really technically competent but how in heck would one go back and alter emails written by ___ people, sent to ___ people and cc'ing another ____ people and perhaps xc'd another ___ people and perhaps forwarded to another ____ people?

Wouldn't everyone who had one of these e-mails in their computer have to be a part of such a scheme? And could you possible know every computer that had one?

(And I forgot to mention the back-up tapes)

Maybe they had a time machine like Stewie's on "Family Guy"?

Yeah, that's the ticket. :-\

[homersapien 12,345]

First, if what you seem to be implying - that Republicans altered these emails to say things they didn't or knowingly used emails that someone else altered - that's deplorable and some heads should roll.

But there is another possibility...that the White House altered the quotes themselves to undermine the GOP's attack. Or that there were earlier versions of the emails that the GOP got their hands on, and then subsequently, less detailed versions were re-sent and the WH released those.

Your "other possibility" may be the craziest conspiracy theory yet-- and that is saying something.

BS! If anything both have the same chance of being the truth.

You guys need to make up your mind as to whether this WH is super clever and ultra competent or utterly inept-- they can't be both.

Apparently he can in their world.

[homersapien 12,345]

Republicans leak altered emails to the media in an effort to mislead Americans. I sense your intense outrage over this...

http://m.cbsnews.com...4947&feed_id=29

The real truth here is that you threw a turd in the punch bowl to deflect attention from the facts which deep down you know but can't bring yourself to be enraged about. Look.....four Americans died in an obvious screwup followed by a coverup of epic proportions. Why can't we all support every attempt to find the truth without petty partisan politics.

Sounds to me like you don't need no stickin' investigation!

But I agree, let's just stop with the conclusions and wait for the facts to emerge. The irony is that is probably less likely now because the Republicans have (typically) overplayed their hand in order to trash Obama (or more accurately, Hillary Clinton).

[TitanTiger 21,571]

You guys need to make up your mind as to whether this WH is super clever and ultra competent or utterly inept-- they can't be both.

It's funny how the same statements come back around again no matter which party is in office. I remember the same thing being said to anti-Bush folks a few years ago. On the one hand, Bush was a mental midget so stupid he couldn't pronounce words right, watched Three Stooges reruns all day and who thought Curious George books were the pinnacle of English literature. On the other he was a diabolical schemer capable of skullduggery and manipulation of world events whose vast powers bordered on god-like omnipotence and omniscience.

[TexasTiger 14,542]

You guys need to make up your mind as to whether this WH is super clever and ultra competent or utterly inept-- they can't be both.

It's funny how the same statements come back around again no matter which party is in office. I remember the same thing being said to anti-Bush folks a few years ago. On the one hand, Bush was a mental midget so stupid he couldn't pronounce words right, watched Three Stooges reruns all day and who thought Curious George books were the pinnacle of English literature. On the other he was a diabolical schemer capable of skullduggery and manipulation of world events whose vast powers bordered on god-like omnipotence and omniscience.

Maybe from some-- I think he was intelligent and but intellectually lazy with an over simplistic world view and easily misled. That would explain most his major blunders without any particular cleverness involved.

[homersapien 12,345]

You guys need to make up your mind as to whether this WH is super clever and ultra competent or utterly inept-- they can't be both.

It's funny how the same statements come back around again no matter which party is in office. I remember the same thing being said to anti-Bush folks a few years ago. On the one hand, Bush was a mental midget so stupid he couldn't pronounce words right, watched Three Stooges reruns all day and who thought Curious George books were the pinnacle of English literature. On the other he was a diabolical schemer capable of skullduggery and manipulation of world events whose vast powers bordered on god-like omnipotence and omniscience.

Not by my account. I thought he was inept throughout.

In fact, most of his worst screw-up came from simply listening to and taking advice from the "diabolical schemers".

I still think that after the benefit of (a little) time. But I am sure he is a likable guy (for what that's worth).

[AUGradinTX 0]

Republicans leak altered emails to the media in an effort to mislead Americans. I sense your intense outrage over this...

http://m.cbsnews.com...4947&feed_id=29

The real truth here is that you threw a turd in the punch bowl to deflect attention from the facts which deep down you know but can't bring yourself to be enraged about. Look.....four Americans died in an obvious screwup followed by a coverup of epic proportions. Why can't we all support every attempt to find the truth without petty partisan politics.

Proud-- security was grossly inadequate. The State Department report I've linked to previously makes that clear. This case is complicated by the fact that this was more of a CIA outpost than a State operation. But to call this a coverup of "epic proportions" is frankly a grossly irrational comment borne of the petty partisan politics you decry

I've not seen anyone/anything suggesting Amb. Stevens' compound was a CIA outpost. Why would the CIA have two outposts withing a few mile of each other? That wouldn't make much sense, would it? Maybe Amb. Stevens was negotiating for the CIA. I don't find that far fetched whatsoever. With that said, Amb. Stevens is an employee of the State Department. Not a spy. Where he was stationed was a consulate.

[TexasTiger 14,542]

Republicans leak altered emails to the media in an effort to mislead Americans. I sense your intense outrage over this...

http://m.cbsnews.com...4947&feed_id=29

The real truth here is that you threw a turd in the punch bowl to deflect attention from the facts which deep down you know but can't bring yourself to be enraged about. Look.....four Americans died in an obvious screwup followed by a coverup of epic proportions. Why can't we all support every attempt to find the truth without petty partisan politics.

Proud-- security was grossly inadequate. The State Department report I've linked to previously makes that clear. This case is complicated by the fact that this was more of a CIA outpost than a State operation. But to call this a coverup of "epic proportions" is frankly a grossly irrational comment borne of the petty partisan politics you decry

I've not seen anyone/anything suggesting Amb. Stevens' compound was a CIA outpost. Why would the CIA have two outposts withing a few mile of each other? That wouldn't make much sense, would it? Maybe Amb. Stevens was negotiating for the CIA. I don't find that far fetched whatsoever. With that said, Amb. Stevens is an employee of the State Department. Not a spy. Where he was stationed was a consulate.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/11/02/benghazi-media-news-cia-request_n_2066651.html

http://thelead.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/15/analysis-cia-role-in-benghazi-underreported/