Satan Lying yet again...

[AUgrad00 7]

http://network.yardbarker.com/college_football/article_external/nick_saban_sends_alabama_prospects_photo_of_nfl_players_he_recruited/13634540?ocid=OBTAP

[cptau 169]

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I wonder if he got permission from the NFL to use their logo?

[lionheartkc 6,150]

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I wonder if he got permission from the NFL to use their logo?

I can pretty much guarantee he didn't, and now that it's gone public, bama's probably going to be paying some reparations. Sad how many "designers" out there don't have a clue about intellectual property laws.

[SuperNova 0]

There are more that he recruited that did not make it to the pros than did make it. However, you could say that about any coach.

It is a good marketing campaign, for Saban.

[AuburnHardware 1]

Somebody needs to make a poster of all the McDonalds uniforms of the players he "processed". When you push 25% more guys through your system than anyone else, you get more guys in the NFL.

[cptau 169]

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I wonder if he got permission from the NFL to use their logo?

I can pretty much guarantee he didn't, and now that it's gone public, bama's probably going to be paying some reparations. Sad how many "designers" out there don't have a clue about intellectual property laws.

If one of those "33" started selling stuff with their UAT "A" logo on it. the UAT lawyers would be all over them

[Bottomfeeder 244]

Did Satan include all of the footnotes* about the failures of said draftees? failures: drug addicts, drug arrests, assaults, 3 years and out, QB non-contenders (not Namath. He's a drunkard and womanizer who wears pantyhose), etc.

[keesler 5,975]

Did Satan include all of the footnotes* about the failures of said draftees? failures: drug addicts, drug arrests, assaults, 3 years and out, QB non-contenders (not Namath. He's a drunkard and womanizer who wears pantyhose), etc.

Once he gets them to the pro's why should he worry about how they pan out? He's already used them to his advantage in college. After they're gone, he just moves on to developing the next crop of studs.

[SuperNova 0]

Interesting thing thing here is that Saban is marketing Saban. If he left UAT and when to Texas or Nebraska next year Saban could advertise bama players he sent to the pros as a reason to come to Texas or Nebraska or wherever Saban is coaching. Smart move on Sabans part not smart on bama's end. Looks like Saban has total control of everything over there.

[lionheartkc 6,150]

http://network.yardb...4540?ocid=OBTAP

I wonder if he got permission from the NFL to use their logo?

I can pretty much guarantee he didn't, and now that it's gone public, bama's probably going to be paying some reparations. Sad how many "designers" out there don't have a clue about intellectual property laws.

If one of those "33" started selling stuff with their UAT "A" logo on it. the UAT lawyers would be all over them

Very likely. Interestingly enough, Auburn actually has some of the strictest control over their logos of any university. They don't even allow the Auburn Clubs to use it, except in very controlled manners, and they only allow a very small number of companies to print the logo or use it on clothing, etc. That being said, Auburn is nothing compared to the NFL. They have a team of lawyers standing by to sue anyone who uses their logo without authorization.

[Tiger 8,865]

Coaches don't hype up a school's reputation for sending players to the pros, but a staff's track record is what they try to sell to a recruit. That is just the way it is in the recruiting world.

Also, if you're a high school kid and Bama presents you with that photo I'm sure it hits in a heavy manner to them.

[TerryP 1]

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I'm curious enought to bite on this.

Where's the lie?

[keesler 5,975]

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I'm curious enought to bite on this.

Where's the lie?

Reading the comments section is hilarious. It's unbelieaveble that there are collgege football fans that STILL question Saban's ability to not only evaluate talent, but his ability to develop a huge chunk of 'em into NFL draftees. He wins multiple championships in the meantime, and some folks STILL have to bring up his Dolphins stint. Makes me LOL.

[TheBlueVue 177]

http://network.yardb...4540?ocid=OBTAP

I'm curious enought to bite on this.

Where's the lie?

Reading the comments section is hilarious. It's unbelieaveble that there are collgege football fans that STILL question Saban's ability to not only evaluate talent, but his ability to develop a huge chunk of 'em into NFL draftees. He wins multiple championships in the meantime, and some folks STILL have to bring up abahis Dolphins stint. Makes me LOL.

I have no problem acknowledging Saban's accomplishments as a college coach but also have none with pointing out the fact that his stint in Miami wasn't among his best moments as a coach or a human being. Like Saban himself is prone to say.."It is what it is"

[TerryP 1]

http://network.yardb...4540?ocid=OBTAP

I'm curious enought to bite on this.

Where's the lie?

Reading the comments section is hilarious. It's unbelieaveble that there are collgege football fans that STILL question Saban's ability to not only evaluate talent, but his ability to develop a huge chunk of 'em into NFL draftees. He wins multiple championships in the meantime, and some folks STILL have to bring up his Dolphins stint. Makes me LOL.

Few and far between are the fans found who have a grasp on both levels of football. I don't follow the NFL because I don't have the time or the willingness to sacrifice the time. Hell, I didn't even know Cam Cameron, LSU's new offensive coordinator, was the coach that followed Saban in Miami until I looked to see what Jimmy Johnson's record was there just now.

It is interesting for the sport to be basically the same, yet so different. On one hand I'm tempted to heap praise on any coach who can be successful at both levels. Then I think about Switzer.

[keesler 5,975]

http://network.yardb...4540?ocid=OBTAP

I'm curious enought to bite on this.

Where's the lie?

Reading the comments section is hilarious. It's unbelieaveble that there are collgege football fans that STILL question Saban's ability to not only evaluate talent, but his ability to develop a huge chunk of 'em into NFL draftees. He wins multiple championships in the meantime, and some folks STILL have to bring up his Dolphins stint. Makes me LOL.

Few and far between are the fans found who have a grasp on both levels of football. I don't follow the NFL because I don't have the time or the willingness to sacrifice the time. Hell, I didn't even know Cam Cameron, LSU's new offensive coordinator, was the coach that followed Saban in Miami until I looked to see what Jimmy Johnson's record was there just now.

It is interesting for the sport to be basically the same, yet so different. On one hand I'm tempted to heap praise on any coach who can be successful at both levels. Then I think about Switzer.

I know what you mean, I mainly follow college football/coaching/players, etc. I watch a lot of NFL games, and like to see all of the former SEC players contribute in the NFL ranks, I don't care which team they played for in college, I just like to see the SEC boyz do well.

**Note: The LSU fans are putting a ton of trust & faith in Cam Cameron's offense, and his ability to get a lot out of Mettenburger this season. He my do well, if Les can keep his nose out of the offensive play-calling.

[Wareagletd 0]

http://network.yardb...4540?ocid=OBTAP

I'm curious enought to bite on this.

Where's the lie?

Reading the comments section is hilarious. It's unbelieaveble that there are collgege football fans that STILL question Saban's ability to not only evaluate talent, but his ability to develop a huge chunk of 'em into NFL draftees. He wins multiple championships in the meantime, and some folks STILL have to bring up his Dolphins stint. Makes me LOL.

Few and far between are the fans found who have a grasp on both levels of football. I don't follow the NFL because I don't have the time or the willingness to sacrifice the time. Hell, I didn't even know Cam Cameron, LSU's new offensive coordinator, was the coach that followed Saban in Miami until I looked to see what Jimmy Johnson's record was there just now.

It is interesting for the sport to be basically the same, yet so different. On one hand I'm tempted to heap praise on any coach who can be successful at both levels. Then I think about Switzer.

I know what you mean, I mainly follow college football/coaching/players, etc. I watch a lot of NFL games, and like to see all of the former SEC players contribute in the NFL ranks, I don't care which team they played for in college, I just like to see the SEC boyz do well.

**Note: The LSU fans are putting a ton of trust & faith in Cam Cameron's offense, and his ability to get a lot out of Mettenburger this season. He my do well, if Les can keep his nose out of the offensive play-calling.

As a Raven fan, I was happy to see CC get replaced by Jim Caldwell. CC became too conservative and didn't attack vertically. Jim Caldwell was as big a part to the Super Bowl victory as anyone. If we still had CC, we don't win the Super Bowl. CC will frustrate many LSU fans this year.

[WarEagle10 77]

http://network.yardb...4540?ocid=OBTAP

I'm curious enought to bite on this.

Where's the lie?

Reading the comments section is hilarious. It's unbelieaveble that there are collgege football fans that STILL question Saban's ability to not only evaluate talent, but his ability to develop a huge chunk of 'em into NFL draftees. He wins multiple championships in the meantime, and some folks STILL have to bring up his Dolphins stint. Makes me LOL.

Few and far between are the fans found who have a grasp on both levels of football. I don't follow the NFL because I don't have the time or the willingness to sacrifice the time. Hell, I didn't even know Cam Cameron, LSU's new offensive coordinator, was the coach that followed Saban in Miami until I looked to see what Jimmy Johnson's record was there just now.

It is interesting for the sport to be basically the same, yet so different. On one hand I'm tempted to heap praise on any coach who can be successful at both levels. Then I think about Switzer.

I know what you mean, I mainly follow college football/coaching/players, etc. I watch a lot of NFL games, and like to see all of the former SEC players contribute in the NFL ranks, I don't care which team they played for in college, I just like to see the SEC boyz do well.

**Note: The LSU fans are putting a ton of trust & faith in Cam Cameron's offense, and his ability to get a lot out of Mettenburger this season. He my do well, if Les can keep his nose out of the offensive play-calling.

As a Raven fan, I was happy to see CC get replaced by Jim Caldwell. CC became too conservative and didn't attack vertically. Jim Caldwell was as big a part to the Super Bowl victory as anyone. If we still had CC, we don't win the Super Bowl. CC will frustrate many LSU fans this year.

I think he will do very well at the college level. In all honesty, I hated to see him go to LSU.

[TerryP 1]

http://network.yardb...4540?ocid=OBTAP

I'm curious enought to bite on this.

Where's the lie?

Reading the comments section is hilarious. It's unbelieaveble that there are collgege football fans that STILL question Saban's ability to not only evaluate talent, but his ability to develop a huge chunk of 'em into NFL draftees. He wins multiple championships in the meantime, and some folks STILL have to bring up his Dolphins stint. Makes me LOL.

Few and far between are the fans found who have a grasp on both levels of football. I don't follow the NFL because I don't have the time or the willingness to sacrifice the time. Hell, I didn't even know Cam Cameron, LSU's new offensive coordinator, was the coach that followed Saban in Miami until I looked to see what Jimmy Johnson's record was there just now.

It is interesting for the sport to be basically the same, yet so different. On one hand I'm tempted to heap praise on any coach who can be successful at both levels. Then I think about Switzer.

I know what you mean, I mainly follow college football/coaching/players, etc. I watch a lot of NFL games, and like to see all of the former SEC players contribute in the NFL ranks, I don't care which team they played for in college, I just like to see the SEC boyz do well.

**Note: The LSU fans are putting a ton of trust & faith in Cam Cameron's offense, and his ability to get a lot out of Mettenburger this season. He my do well, if Les can keep his nose out of the offensive play-calling.

As a Raven fan, I was happy to see CC get replaced by Jim Caldwell. CC became too conservative and didn't attack vertically. Jim Caldwell was as big a part to the Super Bowl victory as anyone. If we still had CC, we don't win the Super Bowl. CC will frustrate many LSU fans this year.

I think he will do very well at the college level. In all honesty, I hated to see him go to LSU.

Some positions translate easily from one level to another. We see cases of offensive line coaches in both levels and doing well.

I tend to look at the transition between the NFL and college with QB's skeptically. It's such a dramatic difference in the ages of who these coaches are dealing with. Now, couple that with the last time Cameron was coaching at the collegiate level was the late 80's and early 90's?

I can't help but think of Charlie Weis and that transition, or lack of. We'll see.

Add one thought here...

A few guys I know that cover UGA said that Mett was nipping at Murray's heels before he was "released" from the Bulldogs. He had/has talent and potential. Can it be developed in a short period?

I tend to believe we'll see LSU following the same script we've seen. Trying to stretch the field but ultimately following the same game plans Les and Cam grew up with: a Schembechler type of offensive scheme.

[cptau 169]

Saban's coaching career did not really fire up until he got to the SEC (LSU). He basically had one good year in the Big10 at MSU and then he skipped out to LSU. He made the mistake ( or did he looking at the NFL cash?) of spending two years at Miami, and then a desperate Bama waved $4 million........

Until a year ago, the SEC had 3 winning head coaches that had been unsuccessful NFL head coaches. The NFL is a good place to go to setup up your retirement saving plan........

[TerryP 1]

Saban's coaching career did not really fire up until he got to the SEC (LSU). He basically had one good year in the Big10 at MSU and then he skipped out to LSU. He made the mistake ( or did he looking at the NFL cash?) of spending two years at Miami, and then a desperate Bama waved $4 million........

Until a year ago, the SEC had 3 winning head coaches that had been unsuccessful NFL head coaches. The NFL is a good place to go to setup up your retirement saving plan........

I'm going to loop this comment in with what keesler said earlier: re: people still pointing to Miami.

Taking a section of your post, "... and then a desperate Bama waved $4 million..." paints the picture that you have a college waving money and that's what attracted attention to the opening.

A few thoughts on that.

Today, we have the same situation as we did back then. As one example, we see people talk about the 5MM he's on course to make. Yet, we don't see people point to the 9MM Coach K pulled in last year. Why?

The 3.75MM he received the first year was at the top of the proverbial food chain in terms of college coaches and their compensation. There's no arguing that point. Yet, as asserted earlier if one reads your post as written, it was 4MM that attracted his attention. This despite the fact he was taking a 1.5MM+ cut in pay to leave Miami. Why?

I find it interesting a school can invest over 120MM on facility improvements and it's regarded as a good investment because it'll lead to a better program. Yet, if they invest that in an individual, it's looked at in a different light. Again, why?

keesler brings up a valid point questioning why people still point to Miami as some demonstrative proof of coaching ability when the facts prove otherwise. One could argue that in 2007, but it holds little water now.

Here we have a move that's categorized as desparate despite it's success. Would it not be more apropos to use the term calculated? Or, a vast array of other adjectives?

[cooltigger21 0]

Saban's coaching career did not really fire up until he got to the SEC (LSU). He basically had one good year in the Big10 at MSU and then he skipped out to LSU. He made the mistake ( or did he looking at the NFL cash?) of spending two years at Miami, and then a desperate Bama waved $4 million........

Until a year ago, the SEC had 3 winning head coaches that had been unsuccessful NFL head coaches. The NFL is a good place to go to setup up your retirement saving plan........

I'm going to loop this comment in with what keesler said earlier: re: people still pointing to Miami.

Taking a section of your post, "... and then a desperate Bama waved $4 million..." paints the picture that you have a college waving money and that's what attracted attention to the opening.

A few thoughts on that.

Today, we have the same situation as we did back then. As one example, we see people talk about the 5MM he's on course to make. Yet, we don't see people point to the 9MM Coach K pulled in last year. Why?

The 3.75MM he received the first year was at the top of the proverbial food chain in terms of college coaches and their compensation. There's no arguing that point. Yet, as asserted earlier if one reads your post as written, it was 4MM that attracted his attention. This despite the fact he was taking a 1.5MM+ cut in pay to leave Miami. Why?

I find it interesting a school can invest over 120MM on facility improvements and it's regarded as a good investment because it'll lead to a better program. Yet, if they invest that in an individual, it's looked at in a different light. Again, why?

keesler brings up a valid point questioning why people still point to Miami as some demonstrative proof of coaching ability when the facts prove otherwise. One could argue that in 2007, but it holds little water now.

Here we have a move that's categorized as desparate despite it's success. Would it not be more apropos to use the term calculated? Or, a vast array of other adjectives?

He wanted back in the college game. Bama was desperate and agreed to all of his demands, total control of everything. no buyout in the contract. Now it has paid off well for them but still have they prepared themselves for the time when this run comes to an end? Me thinks not.

[cptau 169]

Saban's coaching career did not really fire up until he got to the SEC (LSU). He basically had one good year in the Big10 at MSU and then he skipped out to LSU. He made the mistake ( or did he looking at the NFL cash?) of spending two years at Miami, and then a desperate Bama waved $4 million........

Until a year ago, the SEC had 3 winning head coaches that had been unsuccessful NFL head coaches. The NFL is a good place to go to setup up your retirement saving plan........

I'm going to loop this comment in with what keesler said earlier: re: people still pointing to Miami.

Taking a section of your post, "... and then a desperate Bama waved $4 million..." paints the picture that you have a college waving money and that's what attracted attention to the opening.

A few thoughts on that.

Today, we have the same situation as we did back then. As one example, we see people talk about the 5MM he's on course to make. Yet, we don't see people point to the 9MM Coach K pulled in last year. Why?

The 3.75MM he received the first year was at the top of the proverbial food chain in terms of college coaches and their compensation. There's no arguing that point. Yet, as asserted earlier if one reads your post as written, it was 4MM that attracted his attention. This despite the fact he was taking a 1.5MM+ cut in pay to leave Miami. Why?

I find it interesting a school can invest over 120MM on facility improvements and it's regarded as a good investment because it'll lead to a better program. Yet, if they invest that in an individual, it's looked at in a different light. Again, why?

keesler brings up a valid point questioning why people still point to Miami as some demonstrative proof of coaching ability when the facts prove otherwise. One could argue that in 2007, but it holds little water now.

Here we have a move that's categorized as desparate despite it's success. Would it not be more apropos to use the term calculated? Or, a vast array of other adjectives?

Capital vs labor expense. A stadium lasts many decades. A coach, perhaps a few years. Duke is a private school which is the true oddity. It's willing to pay K lots of cash to stay around as they know there will be a let down once he retires. And Duke is still playing in basically a large cramped high school gym...

And my point that success in the SEC does not means success in the NFL. We have several very successful SEC coaches that basically failed in the NFL. There are arguments out there that they did not stay long enough or that the team owners and front offices interfered and hurt their NFL records, but they all took the NFL money and bailed to return to the SEC. Sabear is unique in that he wanted out of the NFL but only took the UAT job on this terms because of UAT's reputation as not a good place for your coaching career. UAT was more desperate than Sabear......

[keesler 5,975]

UAT was definitely in desperation mode. But they damn sure ponied up, popped the coffers wide open, made huge facility improvements, and they had the guts and the cash to go after a proven winner. They were able make a SPLASH hire of epic proportions. The return on their initial investment is mighty large.

[keesler 5,975]

http://network.yardb...4540?ocid=OBTAP

I'm curious enought to bite on this.

Where's the lie?

Reading the comments section is hilarious. It's unbelieaveble that there are collgege football fans that STILL question Saban's ability to not only evaluate talent, but his ability to develop a huge chunk of 'em into NFL draftees. He wins multiple championships in the meantime, and some folks STILL have to bring up his Dolphins stint. Makes me LOL.

Few and far between are the fans found who have a grasp on both levels of football. I don't follow the NFL because I don't have the time or the willingness to sacrifice the time. Hell, I didn't even know Cam Cameron, LSU's new offensive coordinator, was the coach that followed Saban in Miami until I looked to see what Jimmy Johnson's record was there just now.

It is interesting for the sport to be basically the same, yet so different. On one hand I'm tempted to heap praise on any coach who can be successful at both levels. Then I think about Switzer.

I know what you mean, I mainly follow college football/coaching/players, etc. I watch a lot of NFL games, and like to see all of the former SEC players contribute in the NFL ranks, I don't care which team they played for in college, I just like to see the SEC boyz do well.

**Note: The LSU fans are putting a ton of trust & faith in Cam Cameron's offense, and his ability to get a lot out of Mettenburger this season. He my do well, if Les can keep his nose out of the offensive play-calling.

As a Raven fan, I was happy to see CC get replaced by Jim Caldwell. CC became too conservative and didn't attack vertically. Jim Caldwell was as big a part to the Super Bowl victory as anyone. If we still had CC, we don't win the Super Bowl. CC will frustrate many LSU fans this year.

I think he will do very well at the college level. In all honesty, I hated to see him go to LSU.

Some positions translate easily from one level to another. We see cases of offensive line coaches in both levels and doing well.

I tend to look at the transition between the NFL and college with QB's skeptically. It's such a dramatic difference in the ages of who these coaches are dealing with. Now, couple that with the last time Cameron was coaching at the collegiate level was the late 80's and early 90's?

I can't help but think of Charlie Weis and that transition, or lack of. We'll see.

Add one thought here...

A few guys I know that cover UGA said that Mett was nipping at Murray's heels before he was "released" from the Bulldogs. He had/has talent and potential. Can it be developed in a short period?

I tend to believe we'll see LSU following the same script we've seen. Trying to stretch the field but ultimately following the same game plans Les and Cam grew up with: a Schembechler type of offensive scheme.

I personally hated to see Cameron go to LSU. I think he can get into Mett's head and with the supporting talent they have on the roster, they could end up with a much more productive offense this season. CC has said that he has plans to impliment a lot of HUNH and I know for a fact that he has been working with Tommy Moffitt to get those players well conditioned for a speedy offensive scheme. I'm interested to see if Leslie can keep his paws out of the soup pot and let his OC cook up his own scheme.