Then Senator Obama blasts the Patriot Act, National Security Letters, Snooping on Americans

[Auburn85 438]

[AURaptor 1,137]

It's different when HE does it.

[DKW 86 7,930]

Obama is just the biggest blow hard in DC. He has renegged on so many things.

GITMO, NSA, Privacy, the list goes on and on. Lies he told about ACA...etc.

[TexasTiger 14,447]

Obama is just the biggest blow hard in DC. He has renegged on so many things.

GITMO, NSA, Privacy, the list goes on and on. Lies he told about ACA...etc.

Candidate Bush didn't believe in "nation building." Any one pointing that out was just mindlessly "bashing."

[TitanTiger 21,489]

Obama is just the biggest blow hard in DC. He has renegged on so many things.

GITMO, NSA, Privacy, the list goes on and on. Lies he told about ACA...etc.

Candidate Bush didn't believe in "nation building." Any one pointing that out was just mindlessly "bashing."

So you're adopting a tactic you deplored because your guy is in the WH now?

[TexasTiger 14,447]

Obama is just the biggest blow hard in DC. He has renegged on so many things.

GITMO, NSA, Privacy, the list goes on and on. Lies he told about ACA...etc.

Candidate Bush didn't believe in "nation building." Any one pointing that out was just mindlessly "bashing."

So you're adopting a tactic you deplored because your guy is in the WH now?

No, I'm actually pointing out the hypocrisy of the former Bushbots who were not bothered by the similar, and worse, actions by their guy. And, yes, I know much of that stuff had started to bother you far more than it bothered most other Bush supporters.

Also, there was NO REASON to think that Romney would have dialed anything back.

[TitanTiger 21,489]

Obama is just the biggest blow hard in DC. He has renegged on so many things.

GITMO, NSA, Privacy, the list goes on and on. Lies he told about ACA...etc.

Candidate Bush didn't believe in "nation building." Any one pointing that out was just mindlessly "bashing."

So you're adopting a tactic you deplored because your guy is in the WH now?

No, I'm actually pointing out the hypocrisy of the former Bushbots who were not bothered by the similar, and worse, actions by their guy. And, yes, I know much of that stuff had started to bother you far more than it bothered most other Bush supporters.

Also, there was NO REASON to think that Romney would have dialed anything back.

It doesn't rinse Obama of his hypocrisy.

And while it's true Romney wouldn't have been any better, it was one of the redeeming factors of Obama getting elected. He decided to discard it in the dumpster though.

[TexasTiger 14,447]

Obama is just the biggest blow hard in DC. He has renegged on so many things.

GITMO, NSA, Privacy, the list goes on and on. Lies he told about ACA...etc.

Candidate Bush didn't believe in "nation building." Any one pointing that out was just mindlessly "bashing."

So you're adopting a tactic you deplored because your guy is in the WH now?

No, I'm actually pointing out the hypocrisy of the former Bushbots who were not bothered by the similar, and worse, actions by their guy. And, yes, I know much of that stuff had started to bother you far more than it bothered most other Bush supporters.

Also, there was NO REASON to think that Romney would have dialed anything back.

It doesn't rinse Obama of his hypocrisy.

And while it's true Romney wouldn't have been any better, it was one of the redeeming factors of Obama getting elected. He decided to discard it in the dumpster though.

Well, I'm not responding to Obama, I'm responding to the hypocrites on this forum-- in this case, DKW in particular.

But do you have a link to Obama condemning this particular practice as a candidate?

[TexasTiger 14,447]

Do you have a link to Obama condemning the phone records practice as a candidate for President or denying it since becoming President?

[Auburn85 438]

Do you have a link to Obama condemning the phone records practice as a candidate for President or denying it since becoming President?

I haven't looked, but no.

[TexasTiger 14,447]

Do you have a link to Obama condemning the phone records practice as a candidate for President or denying it since becoming President?

I haven't looked, but no.

Thanks. Maybe its out there, but it seems like a number of things are being conflated in the reaction to this.

[DKW 86 7,930]

Tex, once again, you need to quit thinking or start paying attention more.

i never so much supported Bush as i was against the drones the Dems ran against him.

Al "i invented the Internet " Gore, a man that has no clue who he is. I supported Gore in 1988. and could not recognize him by 2000. He swung so crazily toward the looney side of Political Life. Kerry, omg where to start with him? Kerry was/is a fool. He was a nutcase that got his 15 minutes of celebrity bashing his comrades. His #2 guys in his lil Anti-War org was a total fake and Kerry either knew that or is dumb as a rock. His claims about his service in Vietnam were so overblown it was ridiculous. For instance, the Green Beret Story...he told that lie for 35 years, from 69 until 04, before someone, non-media, pointed out that factually they could not be true.

IE, he claimed to have been in Cambodia on his Swift Christmas Day of 68, supposedly ordered there by Nixon...

1) Not one of his "Brothers in Arms" would back that up.

2) The USN records would not back that up.

3) READ SLOWLY NOW, NIXON WASNT EVEN IN OFFICE UNTIL JANUARY 20TH OF 1969...

4) He had showed the beret he supposedly got from a Brit Spec Ops guy to everyone in DC as he told this BS story for 35 years.

He kept it in a breifcase and showed only to his special friends, lol, essentially anyone who would listen.

Bush43 was an anomaly to me. I never liked the guy. I dont like bushes in general. Cant stand the idea that Jeb may run. Bush41 was a waste. Bush43 came into 2000 when the Right was just wore out with Clinton. He got too much money early and still dang near lost to McCain. He was a nauseating speaker. Undereducated. Unlearned. He is why i now consider a Harvard Education to be rigeur for the "Chosen Few and the Lucky Spermers."

By 2005, i rejected the Republican Party. i am a registered indie. i am very socially liberal, very fiscally conservative.

If Obama would quit with the mindless spending, i would support him far more.

i am a privacy nut and hate that we got drug into two wars BY BOTH PARTIES, based on very specious evidence.

[TexasTiger 14,447]

Tex, once again, you need to quit thinking or start paying attention more.

i never so much supported Bush as i was against the drones the Dems ran against him.

Al "i invented the Internet " Gore, a man that has no clue who he is. I supported Gore in 1988. and could not recognize him by 2000. He swung so crazily toward the looney side of Political Life. Kerry, omg where to start with him? Kerry was/is a fool. He was a nutcase that got his 15 minutes of celebrity bashing his comrades. His #2 guys in his lil Anti-War org was a total fake and Kerry either knew that or is dumb as a rock. His claims about his service in Vietnam were so overblown it was ridiculous. For instance, the Green Beret Story...he told that lie for 35 years, from 69 until 04, before someone, non-media, pointed out that factually they could not be true.

IE, he claimed to have been in Cambodia on his Swift Christmas Day of 68, supposedly ordered there by Nixon...

1) Not one of his "Brothers in Arms" would back that up.

2) The USN records would not back that up.

3) READ SLOWLY NOW, NIXON WASNT EVEN IN OFFICE UNTIL JANUARY 20TH OF 1969...

4) He had showed the beret he supposedly got from a Brit Spec Ops guy to everyone in DC as he told this BS story for 35 years.

He kept it in a breifcase and showed only to his special friends, lol, essentially anyone who would listen.

Bush43 was an anomaly to me. I never liked the guy. I dont like bushes in general. Cant stand the idea that Jeb may run. Bush41 was a waste. Bush43 came into 2000 when the Right was just wore out with Clinton. He got too much money early and still dang near lost to McCain. He was a nauseating speaker. Undereducated. Unlearned. He is why i now consider a Harvard Education to be rigeur for the "Chosen Few and the Lucky Spermers."

By 2005, i rejected the Republican Party. i am a registered indie. i am very socially liberal, very fiscally conservative.

If Obama would quit with the mindless spending, i would support him far more.

i am a privacy nut and hate that we got drug into two wars BY BOTH PARTIES, based on very specious evidence.

You're a social liberal?

[shabby 2,081]

Didn't Obama acknowledge in his recent defense of NSA data mining acknowledge that as a senator he was against many of the provisions that led to data collection and that he was wrong at the time. I'll look for a link, but if so, do we have a problem with a politician that states their position was wrong at the time and necessity or deeper understanding of an issue or obligation to protect prompt a change of a belief or practice?