Good QB article

[DThriftWarEagle 3]

http://www.auburntigers.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/061713aac.html

May the best man for the job win. War Eagle

[AU-24 3,137]

Kind of sounds like Marshall has a-lot of catching up and relationship building to do.

Any thoughts?

[PoetTiger 1,901]

Leadership and intangibles - who will take command of the offense and lead the team. That person will be your starter.

[AUEngineer2016 407]

Kind of sounds like Marshall has a-lot of catching up and relationship building to do.

Any thoughts?

If I were Marshall, I would have gotten (if I could):

1) A complete playbook

2) A "Coach Russell Approved" workout schedule

3) Cell phone numbers of all 2-deep offensive players, including QB's

4) As many game films as they would send me, including (but not limited to): any game where Malzahn's offense was used (Arky, Tulsa, AU, stAte), films of any/all of the defenses on our schedule, and/or films of Auburn last year

Reasons:

1) Playbook- self explanatory, Marshall needs to learn the offense. The sooner he learns the offense, the sooner he can expect to lead the offense.

2) Workout schedule- The better shape he is in when he arrives, the more likely it is that he sets himself apart from the other 3 QB's competing for the job, all of whom will be there before him.

3) Cell numbers- By establishing communication before he arrives on campus, it not only shows initiative but allows him to get to know people ahead of time so that he can have as many well established relationships going into summer/fall. These relationships are the key to gaining respect of teammates. The respect of his teammates will allow him to lead the offense effectively.

4) Films- The more he can recognize why plays worked, why they didn't work, what plays work well against what defenses, where the holes are in defenses, what schemes our opponents like to run, how to beat those schemes, etc, the more the QB can act as an on-the-field-coordinator. One of the best things about Cam was that he knew where the hole was going to be, and he had the athleticism to get there, for example his cut-backs in "the run" against LSU.

Granted, I think that all of these things are important for ALL of our QB's, but they are specifically important for JJ and NM as they are the "new guys", and even more so for NM because he will be the last QB on campus. Unless he doesnt do anything but football (which IMO is not what college should be about), he's going to have some catching up to do (not saying that he can't, just saying he has some work to do).

[WarEagle1983 2,195]

Kind of sounds like Marshall has a-lot of catching up and relationship building to do.

Any thoughts?

No worries. NM will be the man for the job.

[TheBlueVue 177]

No doubt Johnson and Marshall will be behind. I still think NM will win the job, if not immediately, then no later than by the 4th game.

[WarEagle1983 2,195]

Kind of sounds like Marshall has a-lot of catching up and relationship building to do.

Any thoughts?

No worries. NM will be the man for the job.

IMO the best coaches find ways to get impact players on the field...no excuses. NM has intanglibles you just can teach. I'd be surprised if he is not starting game 1 but if not by game 3...i'll be in complete shock and very worried. If NM shows he is capable of running the offense even close to what KF and JW has done and showcases is talents then all the talk of "we have no idea" is just coach talk IMO to keep the other guys motivation/performance level up. It's his to lose.

[TheBlueVue 177]

What should we expect Lashlee to say? He's not going to anoint the starter before practice even starts, but the reality is, we were here last year to see first hand what happened. I know, I know, its a new day and all that stuff so he has to say the right things to keep everyone believing, however, I expect to see NM under center against WSU. How long he's able to keep the job should be the interesting dynamic to see unfold.

[AU-24 3,137]

Kind of sounds like Marshall has a-lot of catching up and relationship building to do.

Any thoughts?

If I were Marshall, I would have gotten (if I could):

1) A complete playbook

2) A "Coach Russell Approved" workout schedule

3) Cell phone numbers of all 2-deep offensive players, including QB's

4) As many game films as they would send me, including (but not limited to): any game where Malzahn's offense was used (Arky,

Tulsa, AU, stAte), films of any/all of the defenses on our schedule, and/or films of Auburn last year

Reasons:

1) Playbook- self explanatory, Marshall needs to learn the offense. The sooner he learns the offense, the sooner he can expect to lead the offense.

2) Workout schedule- The better shape he is in when he arrives, the more likely it is that he sets himself apart from the other 3 QB's competing for the job, all of whom will be there before him.

3) Cell numbers- By establishing communication before he arrives on campus, it not only shows initiative but allows him to get to know people ahead of time so that he can have as many well established relationships going into summer/fall. These relationships are the key to gaining respect of teammates. The respect of his teammates will allow him to lead the offense effectively.

4) Films- The more he can recognize why plays worked, why they didn't work, what plays work well against what defenses, where the holes are in defenses, what schemes our opponents like to run, how to beat those schemes, etc, the more the QB can act as an on-

the-field-coordinator. One of the best things about Cam was that he knew where the hole was going to be, and he had the athleticism to get there, for example his cut-backs in "the run" against LSU.

Granted, I think that all of these things are important for ALL of our QB's, but they are specifically important for JJ and NM as they are the "new guys", and even more so for NM because he will be the last QB on campus. Unless he doesnt do anything but football (which IMO is not what college should be about), he's going to have some catching up to do (not saying that he can't, just saying he has some work to do).

Anyone with inside information know if Marshall got or requested 1-4 above, or something similar?

[AUld fAUx@ 2,584]

“I get the feeling people have ideas of who is going to be this or who is going to be that,” Lashlee said Monday morning. “There couldn’t be anything further from the truth that we have any idea or that someone has an edge…”

[TheBlueVue 177]

“I get the feeling people have ideas of who is going to be this or who is going to be that,” Lashlee said Monday morning. “There couldn’t be anything further from the truth that we have any idea or that someone has an edge…”

Clearly, coach speak. No coach is going to tip his hand and tell you who they believe the starting QB is going to be when there is a QB competition. I think it's naive to believe NM would've been recruited if they didn't think he could help the team....aka...start and be an improvement.

[AUld fAUx@ 2,584]

“I get the feeling people have ideas of who is going to be this or who is going to be that,” Lashlee said Monday morning. “There couldn’t be anything further from the truth that we have any idea or that someone has an edge…”

Clearly, coach speak. No coach is going to tip his hand and tell you who they believe the starting QB is going to be when there is a QB competition. I think it's naive to believe NM would've been recruited if they didn't think he could help the team....aka...start and be an improvement.

“I get the feeling people have ideas of who is going to be this or who is going to be that,” Lashlee said Monday morning. “There couldn’t be anything further from the truth that we have any idea or that someone has an edge…”

[PoetTiger 1,901]

“I get the feeling people have ideas of who is going to be this or who is going to be that,” Lashlee said Monday morning. “There couldn’t be anything further from the truth that we have any idea or that someone has an edge…”

Clearly, coach speak. No coach is going to tip his hand and tell you who they believe the starting QB is going to be when there is a QB competition. I think it's naive to believe NM would've been recruited if they didn't think he could help the team....aka...start and be an improvement.

“I get the feeling people have ideas of who is going to be this or who is going to be that,” Lashlee said Monday morning. “There couldn’t be anything further from the truth that we have any idea or that someone has an edge…”

Lol...I agree. I mean if NM becomes the starter he will earn it first...like it or not he is behind KF and Wallace, but if he comes in and does the things Lashlee listed in the article better than the other 3, then he starts..that simple.

[AUEngineer2016 407]

Lol...I agree. I mean if NM becomes the starter he will earn it first...like it or not he is behind KF and Wallace, but if he comes in and does the things Lashlee listed in the article better than the other 3, then he starts..that simple.

+1. It's not "coach speak" IMO. Half of the QBs haven't been through a day of practice at AU, so they're not going to name a starter until they are sure that he is the best man for the job. Kind of like how we don't name a President until the election happens. Lol.

[TheBlueVue 177]

I believe it is coach speak for this reason. These coaches "believed" when they recruited NM that he could help the team at the QB position. If they didn't believe that its hard for me to believe they would've offered him a scholarship. They also "believed" KF would be the hands down heir apparent. Gus even said as much after his last game as Auburn's OC. The point is, sometimes what is believed about a player doesn't turn out to be the way that player develops. I am definitely of the opinion they believe NM can be the man...whether that pans out consistently with what they believed when they offered him remains to be seen. SO, in that context, sure they have no idea who is going to be the guy because the fact is the position has to be earned

[AUld fAUx@ 2,584]

I believe it is coach speak for this reason. These coaches "believed" when they recruited NM that he could help the team at the QB position. If they didn't believe that its hard for me to believe they would've offered him a scholarship. They also "believed" KF would be the hands down heir apparent. Gus even said as much after his last game as Auburn's OC. The point is, sometimes what is believed about a player doesn't turn out to be the way that player develops. I am definitely of the opinion they believe NM can be the man...whether that pans out consistently with what they believed when they offered him remains to be seen. SO, in that context, sure they have no idea who is going to be the guy because the fact is the position has to be earned

Then I'm confused (though I often am).

So what does "coach speak" mean, other than that which is said by a coach?

[ellitor 34,032]

I believe it is coach speak for this reason. These coaches "believed" when they recruited NM that he could help the team at the QB position. If they didn't believe that its hard for me to believe they would've offered him a scholarship. They also "believed" KF would be the hands down heir apparent. Gus even said as much after his last game as Auburn's OC. The point is, sometimes what is believed about a player doesn't turn out to be the way that player develops. I am definitely of the opinion they believe NM can be the man...whether that pans out consistently with what they believed when they offered him remains to be seen. SO, in that context, sure they have no idea who is going to be the guy because the fact is the position has to be earned

Then I'm confused (though I often am).

So what does "coach speak" mean, other than that which is said by a coach?

Generic talk so you don't get a real read like in poker.

[AUEngineer2016 407]

Then I'm confused (though I often am).

So what does "coach speak" mean, other than that which is said by a coach?

Generic talk so you don't get a real read like in poker.

Whereas I believe that it's not generic talk, and while they may have a leader between KF and JW, they genuinely don't know who the starter will be. Just a difference of opinion.

[SphyNxXx 98]

I wonder if it is less of coach speak and more motivational talk. Keep NM grounded and keep him from thinking he has the job in the bag, and keep KF and JW motivated so the best player may win.

[JamesG 0]

Not sure why anyone would think NM has the job in the bag. JW and KF have taken snaps against SEC defenses. NM hasn't played a down on the D1 level, has never played in the Malzahn offense and threw more INT's than TD's in junior college. It's wide open.

[ellitor 34,032]

Then I'm confused (though I often am).

So what does "coach speak" mean, other than that which is said by a coach?

Generic talk so you don't get a real read like in poker.

Whereas I believe that it's not generic talk, and while they may have a leader between KF and JW, they genuinely don't know who the starter will be. Just a difference of opinion.

It is coach speak. They don't know for sure who will win it but expectations are NM will have itr by mid season. The only thing in their thar was not coach speak was

If you are Jonathan or Kiehl, you have to come in and show you’ve made great improvement over the summer.

[passthebiscuits 7,021]

I assure you that this was coach speak only.

[alexava 6,976]

If trickett had joined the team he would still be saying the same things. So its coach speak. If he had an idea he would not say it.

[ellitor 34,032]

And let me be clear. Coach speak is not manipulating or lying. It's truth, but it is either stating the obvious truth as CRL did or it's generic truths about football. Yes Nick and JJ have to catch up fast coming in May and June the way they are. Yes J-Wall and KF have to step it up from the Spring if they want to start. Yes all 4 will get an equal shot. That said the coaches do have private expectations and no matter those expectations whoever the starter will be will have to go out and earn it.

[AU64 10,122]

JMO but whoever starts game #1 will be the starter all season unless he really screws up and/or the team is struggling. The thought that NM might take over after a couple games is not realistic.....he either starts against Wash State or he won't be playing until AU is about 2-5 or something. The downside IMO of starting with WSU is that Gus will not be able to experiment with the QBs. This is a winnable game that we MUST win......and I can't see two or three QBs playing in that game unless there are big problems. Whoever starts against WSU will finish the game.....and I still see NM as the starter....against WSU and thereafter.