What is the Left's major malfunction?

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Wave = Bottom. I get that. But what circuit has blown in him as well as the rest of the extreme far Left ? The claims of 'fascism' and the President as a 'warmonger' are utterly baseless, yet they are filling the internet and other avenues of information at a striking pace. There is a complete disconnect here between between what they on the Left are yelling about and reality. 14 Characteristics of Fascism as posted by Wave/Bottom contains a tirade of nonsensical charges and claims that can easily be disputed, and yet they continue the smear campaign on President Bush.

Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights: This is monumentally laughable. If anything, President Bush is a champion FOR real Human Rights. The Enlightened Europeans were knee deep in the U.N. Food for Oil scam which allowed Saddam to remain in power, divert $ from going to pay for medicines and food for children in Iraq while BILLIONS were being passed back and forth between greedy European countries, Saddam's personal bank account and even the U.N. Sec.General's own SON!

Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause : Yeah, just ignore the Islamic terrorism that is occuring WORLD WIDE. Just like Clinton did, and just like John Kerry wanted to do. Terrorist are, after all, just a nuisance.

Remember 9-11.

Rampant Sexism This is a laugher, for so MANY reasons. Not only has President Bush appointed more womein in REAL positions of power than did the last administration, he's kept his hands off the interns.

The list goes on and on like this, each 'characteristic' more inane and meaningless than the last.

I'm worried there isn't some wide spread mental sickness or paranoia going on here and it's being passed off as mere dissent.

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I'm worried there isn't some wide spread mental sickness or paranoia going on  here and it's being passed off as mere dissent.

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I read somewhere that there has been an increase in new patients for psychiatrists and psychologists since the election. The new patients are all liberal democrats having a hard time coping with another loss to W and 4 more years.

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This problem predates the outcome of the election.

I noticed that Wavector is ' BF's alter ego' . Umm...usually an alter ego is very much different from the one already known. Wave is simply MORE BS.err.. I meant BF.

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This problem predates the outcome of the election.

I noticed that Wavector is ' BF's alter ego' . Umm...usually an alter ego is very much different from the one already known. Wave is simply MORE BS.err.. I meant  BF.

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Democrats' major malfunction is with the gay marriage issue. It should be abandoned from campaign topics, but this can only be done through the Democrats. We must move to the center of mainstream America. By that I mean keeping the liberal stance on fiscal issues, but becoming moderate and even conservative on social issues. 22% voted for a Presidential candidate on the basis of "moral values", and those votes went to Bush-Cheney by a 5:1 margin. Until Democrats make a move to the center, we will lose.

That is why my signature has the logo of the DLC. The DLC is an organization of conservative and moderate Democrats. We must regain appeal to the Southern voter. Point blank.

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Shelby said it best: "There is no room in the Democratic Party for a Conservative." I do not think there is even room in the Democratic Party for a moderate. They nominate Pelosi, Kerry, Dean, etc. The leaders are hard Left and have a stranglehold within the party. Just look at how they treat Leiberman. Even Gore disrespects him.

The DLC is a fringe group within the DNC and that is the truly saddest part of it all. The Dems start every presidential election almost 25-30% in the hole Electorally.

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This problem predates the outcome of the election.

I noticed that Wavector is ' BF's alter ego' . Umm...usually an alter ego is very much different from the one already known. Wave is simply MORE BS.err.. I meant  BF.

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Democrats' major malfunction is with the gay marriage issue. It should be abandoned from campaign topics, but this can only be done through the Democrats. We must move to the center of mainstream America. By that I mean keeping the liberal stance on fiscal issues, but becoming moderate and even conservative on social issues. 22% voted for a Presidential candidate on the basis of "moral values", and those votes went to Bush-Cheney by a 5:1 margin. Until Democrats make a move to the center, we will lose.

That is why my signature has the logo of the DLC. The DLC is an organization of conservative and moderate Democrats. We must regain appeal to the Southern voter. Point blank.

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Wincrimson: I like the DLC, but I dispute your assertion that the gay marriage issue is the Dem's major malfunction. Who is promoting gay marriage? The San Fransisco Mayor? He's representing his constituent's wishes. The MA Supreme Court? Who else? Not John Kerry, not John Edwards. Not the Dem platform. Not the minority leader in the Senate. Just because the Repugs use it as a wedge issue doesn't mean it has been embrace by most mainstream Dems.

22%? Growing issue?

The mainstream press, itself in love with the "moral values" story line and traumatized by the visual exaggerations of the red-blue map, is too cowed to challenge the likes of the American Family Association. So are politicians of both parties. It took a British publication, The Economist, to point out that the percentage of American voters citing moral and ethical values as their prime concern is actually down from 2000 (35 percent) and 1996 (40 percent).

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/28/arts/28r...ogin&oref=login

I'm concerned with moral values. Which is why I couldn't support this administration or Tom Delay's crew.

[TexasTiger 10,991]

Shelby said it best: "There is no room in the Democratic Party for a Conservative." I do not think there is even room in the Democratic Party for a moderate. They nominate Pelosi, Kerry, Dean, etc. The leaders are hard Left and have a stranglehold within the party. Just look at how they treat Leiberman. Even Gore disrespects him.

The DLC is a fringe group within the DNC and that is the truly saddest part of it all. The Dems start every presidential election almost 25-30% in the hole Electorally.

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Fringe? Almost half of the Senate Dems:

There are 74 members of the House New Democrat Coalition, and 20 members of the Senate New Democrat Coalition. Together, they are among the most influential forces in the United States Congress.

http://www.ndol.org/ndol_ka.cfm?kaid=103

Moderate Republicans are so endangered there aren't even enough to form an organization or support a website. Lincoln Chaffe, Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, and Arlen Specter. That's a fringe group. Oh yeah, and Chris Shays in the House.

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Nice Site BTW. Saw the DLC leader on C-SPAN recently. Unfortunately that is only place where you will see him. Doubt he could get a second on a real news show.

Unfortunately, the Dems will not distance themselves from the very policies and groups that put them at such disadvantage. Kick the NEArts to the curb, defending "pissChrist" is a loser everywhere. Kick the NEdA to the curb as well, a 25-40% increase in funding is not a cut, no one in America is that stoopid.

The Dems would jump 20 points in the polls overnight and they would still get every vote in both groups. Problem, they do not have the will to do it.

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Who is promoting gay marriage? The San Fransisco Mayor? He's representing his constituent's wishes. The MA Supreme Court? Who else? Not John Kerry, not John Edwards. Not the Dem platform. Not the minority leader in the Senate. Just because the Repugs use it as a wedge issue doesn't mean it has been embrace by most mainstream Dems.

The SF Mayor is breaking the STATE's law by issuing gay marriages. The people of the STATE did vote against it, and yet the Mayor went along and broke the law anyway. the MA SC made up their own law with their own interpretation. But then , that state is pretty darn liberal anyway. Will the MA SC obey the will of the people ? Or will they continue to write their own laws as they see fit ?

The Dems are using this as a wedge issue, not the GOP.

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The Dems are using this as a wedge issue, not the GOP.

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Yeah, the Dems are really striking gold with this one. This may be your most absurdly funny statement to date.

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Nice Site BTW. Saw the DLC leader on C-SPAN recently. Unfortunately that is only place where you will see him. Doubt he could get a second on a real news show.

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Turn the dial from Fox sometimes, you might be surprised.

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Yeah, the Dems are really striking gold with this one. This may be your most absurdly funny statement to date.

Funny or not, it's the truth. That you realize that the Dems are striking out w/ one of their core issues and yet still believe it's the GOP who is pushing this is..well, telling.

You keep at it though, alrighty?

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Yeah, the Dems are really striking gold with this one. This may be your most absurdly funny statement to date.

Funny or not, it's the truth. That you realize that the Dems are striking out w/ one of their core issues and yet still believe it's the GOP who is pushing this is..well, telling.

You keep at it though, alrighty?

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One of their "core" issues-- not endorsed by the Presidential ticket or the platform. The fact that the Republicans can convince guys like you that this is a "core" issue for the Democrats says alot about their success.

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One of their "core" issues-- not endorsed by the Presidential ticket or the platform. The fact that the Republicans can convince guys like you that this is a "core" issue for the Democrats says alot about their success.

If you can cite where the GOP has made any such claim, please present it here. I've not heard this coming from the GOP, but solely from the Dems. They don't come out and say it, because they are aware of the mood of the country and the impact it would have on their election chances if they came out and said it. The Dems disquise the issue by constantly talking about 'equal rights' at a time when we already have equal rights. What they REALLY mean is 'special ' rights for homosexuals. It all has to do w/ the political packaging and what spin they can put out.

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  I've not heard this coming from the GOP, but solely from the Dems. They don't come out and say it...

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You've heard it coming from them, but they don't say it? Okay.

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You've heard it coming from them, but they don't say it? Okay.

I see you have problems in comprehension. Sorry.