AU QB developement thread from Recruiting forum

[PCBAuburnaFan 1]

TG's best shot at developing into an NFL talent is at Auburn. Playing time is obviously more likely at Tennessee but at the cost of success and development.

Your choice TG

[BornAU76 457]

TG's best shot at developing into an NFL talent is at Auburn. Playing time is obviously more likely at Tennessee but at the cost of success and development.

Your choice TG

We haven't exactly been a pipeline of sending quality QB's to the NFL...Cam is a freak athlete and Jason Campbell started for a few years but we've been off the map for a while.

[aujeff11 6,243]

TG's best shot at developing into an NFL talent is at Auburn. Playing time is obviously more likely at Tennessee but at the cost of success and development.

Your choice TG

We haven't exactly been a pipeline of sending quality QB's to the NFL...Cam is a freak athlete and Jason Campbell started for a few years but we've been off the map for a while.

can you name a school that has been sending quality qbs to the nfl? Tennesse...no, USC...plenty of espn favorites and all were duds, Alabama....no... Florida state... maybe when jameis declares. The fact we only sent two quality qbs in a span of a decade should not be a knock on auburn.

[ClaytonAU 4,606]

TG's best shot at developing into an NFL talent is at Auburn. Playing time is obviously more likely at Tennessee but at the cost of success and development.

Your choice TG

We haven't exactly been a pipeline of sending quality QB's to the NFL...Cam is a freak athlete and Jason Campbell started for a few years but we've been off the map for a while.

can you name a school that has been sending quality qbs to the nfl? Tennesse...no, USC...plenty of espn favorites and all were duds, Alabama....no... Florida state... maybe when jameis declares. The fact we only sent two quality qbs in a span of a decade should not be a knock on auburn.

Well I mean TN did produce one of the greatest QB's of all time?

[AUpreacherman22 3,952]

TG's best shot at developing into an NFL talent is at Auburn. Playing time is obviously more likely at Tennessee but at the cost of success and development.

Your choice TG

We haven't exactly been a pipeline of sending quality QB's to the NFL...Cam is a freak athlete and Jason Campbell started for a few years but we've been off the map for a while.

can you name a school that has been sending quality qbs to the nfl? Tennesse...no, USC...plenty of espn favorites and all were duds, Alabama....no... Florida state... maybe when jameis declares. The fact we only sent two quality qbs in a span of a decade should not be a knock on auburn.

Well I mean TN did produce one of the greatest QB's of all time?

In the 1998 draft! 16 years ago. These kids weren't potty trained when Peyton was drafted.

[McLoofus 35,182]

TG's best shot at developing into an NFL talent is at Auburn. Playing time is obviously more likely at Tennessee but at the cost of success and development.

Your choice TG

We haven't exactly been a pipeline of sending quality QB's to the NFL...Cam is a freak athlete and Jason Campbell started for a few years but we've been off the map for a while.

You have to look at the existing regime and the existing regime only, and Gus's resume is looking pretty fantastic right now. 4 years as an OC or HC at AU, and he's got 1 NFL pro-bowler and a returning dark horse (at worst) Heisman candidate under his belt. (The NFL doesn't care, but he also developed Chris Todd into a school record-breaking QB in his first year at AU.)

Also, your description of Cam is a little of a short sell. He is a good quarterback with freakish athletic ability.

No, Auburn is not yet QBU, but Gus couldn't be doing any better in his short tenure.

[metafour 5,427]

The way we are running our offense now (and back when we had Newton) is not a good transition to the NFL game. I know you guys wont like hearing it, but Newton was drafted #1 overall despite our offense...not because of it. His tools and overall ability were simply too strong, and the reality is that he really didn't confirm or lock up the #1 spot until his Pro Day which is where he showed he could drop back (3, 5, 7 step drops) and throw real NFL routes...all stuff that he was doing none, or little of in terms of his actual game-tape at Auburn. This is a very effective college offense, but the problem is that it dumbs down the QB position a lot, which is why you can have a super-raw guy like Nick Marshall step in with little prep time and actually look pretty good running it. It is an option run-run-run-play action offense which simplifies the pass game because there are very few reads to be made by the QB, and so many of our pass plays are designed to take advantage of the defense selling-out to try to stop our dominant run game, so a lot of the time you'll see the QB completing super-easy passes. It may look good on a stat sheet, but the NFL doesn't care about stats when evaluating players.

Dont get me wrong, Cam improved as the season went on....but the reason that you saw so many negative/questionable "Pre-Draft reports" on him was because it was extremely hard to decipher how well his passing would translate over to the NFL. The off-field stuff was huge too, but it wasn't the only thing.

[AUEngineer2016 407]

TG's best shot at developing into an NFL talent is at Auburn. Playing time is obviously more likely at Tennessee but at the cost of success and development.

Your choice TG

We haven't exactly been a pipeline of sending quality QB's to the NFL...Cam is a freak athlete and Jason Campbell started for a few years but we've been off the map for a while.

can you name a school that has been sending quality qbs to the nfl? Tennesse...no, USC...plenty of espn favorites and all were duds, Alabama....no... Florida state... maybe when jameis declares. The fact we only sent two quality qbs in a span of a decade should not be a knock on auburn.

Well I mean TN did produce one of the greatest QB's of all time?

In the 1998 draft! 16 years ago. These kids weren't potty trained when Peyton was drafted.

I think it'd be more fitting to look at the QB success of Malzahn vs Jones, as the style of play (and for that matter, the style of QB) Tennessee is playing with right now is completely different than in 1998. Jones also didn't have a whole load of talent at the position last year. I think Dooley did a lot for UT's program in terms of cleaning it up and the weight program (which, coming from a former UT fan and Knoxvillian, it most definitely needed), but was not as proficient in recruiting, and that has hurt Jones a lot. I think that he will do well there, and has established a new image and mentality for UTk Football, but it's going to take a few more years.

[ellitor 34,380]

Moving stuff in from the Gibson thread

[ClaytonAU 4,606]

My Peyton Manning comment was a little uncalled for, but UTk still claims him and could use him as a recruiting tool if they wanted too.

[ellitor 34,380]

My Peyton Manning comment was a little uncalled for, but UTk still claims him and could use him as a recruiting tool if they wanted too.

And we'll do the same with Cam for some years.

[McLoofus 35,182]

My Peyton Manning comment was a little uncalled for, but UTk still claims him and could use him as a recruiting tool if they wanted too.

And we'll do the same with Cam for some years.

Especially since he's still a part-time student at Auburn.

[PoetTiger 1,901]

Gus took a QB that was an afterthought by many and to a degree a large unknown by some - took his skill set applied it to his offense and put Cam in position to become a #1 QB - and what does he do his rookie season - only break one of Peyton's records. I think AU will be just fine in the QB development dept, keep an eye on Nick, if he improves his accuracy to go with his arm strength he could become one of the better QBs in the nation this season and will earn attention from scouts. As for Cam - Gus stated to Todd Blackledge that if Cam had to throw it around 40-50 times a game then he could and do it effectively. I respect the pro guys and their opinion on how a QB in a non traditional pro offense will translate to the NFL but Cam proved that he could adjust from a non traditional offense and become a pro bowl record setting QB.

[Tiger 8,908]

Coaching staffs, when recruiting, only spend a short time discussing the school's history and rather selling the current coaching staff's past accomplishments. For example, if Gus and Rhett are in a running back's living room they briefly touch on Auburn great history with running backs and it being RBU, but would spend more time discussing the successes of Gus and Rhett's running backs from Tulsa all the way through Tre Mason (IDK if Rhett was even at Tulsa with Gus, but hopefully you get the point). Or to stay on the topic of QBs, they will point to the great numbers the QBs have posted everywhere Gus has been, the passing/offensive records that have been broken, the Heisman, the #1 draft pick, etc.

It makes sense due to these kids' football memories not reaching back that much further than 2010. And plus parents need to know what these coaches will do for their son. Luckily for us Cam Newton made Auburn "cool" on a national level to high school football players so as long as Cam is in the NFL and doing well, he will be the recruiting gift that will keep on giving lol

[WarEagleAU 0]

Move to recruiting forums.

[ellitor 34,380]

Move to recruiting forums.

It was not recruiting related. It was discussing AU and Gus NFL QB development. Now that it has been moved to the football forum I don't know why people all of a sudden are steering it to a recruiting topic. Also. since it's in the football forum I can't move it back to the recruiting forum

[ellitor 34,380]

Can a universal mod delete "from recruiting forum" in the title? Maybe that will get it back to non recruiting related as it was.

[Best5zach 2]

I think it's important to temper expectations for "NFL talent" and weighing them against booms and busts. There are *only* 32 teams. Of those teams, only the top 12 or so have what we consider "good" QBs. The chances of 1 school sending even 2 to that top tier are minuscule. So, if that's what we refer to as a "succesful pipeline", then no...Auburn isn't it. And probably won't be. But neither will any other school.

[keesler 6,026]

I think it's important to temper expectations for "NFL talent" and weighing them against booms and busts. There are *only* 32 teams. Of those teams, only the top 12 or so have what we consider "good" QBs. The chances of 1 school sending even 2 to that top tier are minuscule. So, if that's what we refer to as a "succesful pipeline", then no...Auburn isn't it. And probably won't be. But neither will any other school.

+1

[AURex 2,406]

No college coach has any control over what happens when a QB gets into the NFL. A lot depends on which team drafts him, what kind of personnel he has around him, who is in front of him as the previous starter, etc. Young had to sit and wait for Montana to retire. Other drafted QBs end up holding the clipboard for the starter, but could have been starting for another team. And if a QB gets drafted by a team that's desperate for a QB (hello Cleveland) he'll start even if he's not as good as some other QBs in the draft.

All a college coach can do is put players in position to get drafted. But you gotta remember that the most important priority for a college coach is to win games. I like NM and he has done a great job at Auburn. He can get better as a passer and I'm sure CGM and CRL will do whatever they can to help NM improve as a passer -- fore the good of the team. And if NM does improve, CGM will make some changes to play-calling to take advantage of those improvements.

Is that QB development? Sure it is. But development need not be focused on the NFL game and NFL draftability (er, making up words). It is focused on winning college football games, now, and building for the future team characteristics.

In other words, I think we have to separate the notion of QB development from NFL draft/performance.

[Tiger 8,908]

No college coach has any control over what happens when a QB gets into the NFL. A lot depends on which team drafts him, what kind of personnel he has around him, who is in front of him as the previous starter, etc. Young had to sit and wait for Montana to retire. Other drafted QBs end up holding the clipboard for the starter, but could have been starting for another team. And if a QB gets drafted by a team that's desperate for a QB (hello Cleveland) he'll start even if he's not as good as some other QBs in the draft.

All a college coach can do is put players in position to get drafted. But you gotta remember that the most important priority for a college coach is to win games. I like NM and he has done a great job at Auburn. He can get better as a passer and I'm sure CGM and CRL will do whatever they can to help NM improve as a passer -- fore the good of the team. And if NM does improve, CGM will make some changes to play-calling to take advantage of those improvements.

Is that QB development? Sure it is. But development need not be focused on the NFL game and NFL draftability (er, making up words). It is focused on winning college football games, now, and building for the future team characteristics.

In other words, I think we have to separate the notion of QB development from NFL draft/performance.

I agree. Urban Meyer had 4 years to fix Tebow's wretched throwing motion, but neglected it because he was winning games and didn't need to improve his throwing fundamentals because it was good enough for college. College coaches need to win games to keep their job, what happens to their players after they leave isn't as important to them. Sure it helps in recruiting, there is no denying that, but these coaches prepare the players to win, and not get them NFL ready. Ideally, your players will play well enough to get themselves to the NFL and then it can become a cycle of college success --> NFL success.

[Dixie1860 27]

We will be putting QB's in the NFL. Maybe not every one of them but most IYAM, will at least be given a shot. With a guy like Nick, he may play another position in the NFL, maybe not though as well. He is a good enough ATH that someone will draft him IMO. It may be the later rounds, and they may put him at DB, but he will get drafted IMO.

[McLoofus 35,182]

Three of the four teams in the 13-14 NFC divisional round had mobile QBs and ran at least some read option/zone read. One of them served under Malzahn.

Going back five years, 2013 was the only year that one of the first 3 QBs drafted didn't have over 900 career rushing yards.

Marshall will get a look. The guys on deck... watch out.

[The Plainsman 948]

Petrino, how many QB's has he put in the league?